FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket

Depending on the prize, you have my very serious interest

Might also be interested. Pending price and when.

interested, depending on the prize!!!!!!!!!!

Interested pending price too.

Beautiful!

Interested

Interested for sure.

depends on what "not cheap" means

You haven't heard? Cooper is a new metal they found on Mars

Put me down as interested please.

Originally Posted by Ripcode

Put me down as interested please.

Hey, don't you have one already???

Originally Posted by Ripcode

Put me down as interested please.

says the only person i've ever seen with a copper one.

how 'bout you get one of these and give me your old one?

Very cool project Man this is hard to pass up, I'm intrested depending the price and if I have funds.

put me down as interested.

semper fi

interested

I think we need to keep this an 'interest' thread only...

Well, that was fun. Now that I have cleaned the thread up and FP has told where the part came from, let's keep this on track. If you not want the part, there are other people on the board who make them. If there is any more bickering, you WILL get a 1 week time out for each new post that starts anything.

Originally Posted by asok

Now that I have cleaned the thread up...

WOW! That was a lot of negative energy spent on posts that were deleted as if they never happened! KUDOS to you sir! Looking forward to seeing how this project develops!

Wow spend a few hours away and all goes to heck. I'm very interested add me to the list.

add me 2

SpideyFett,

Please put me down as interested for one gauntlet rocket. thanks.

so to recap...

there's a base of a cast-from-original jango. the jango was digitally scaled from boba size to jango size for the movie (sidebar: i love that jango is shorter... makes my 5 foot 9 boba so much better!).

at c4, y'all were able to measure the length and circumference of the one there, giving you numbers to scale off of.

a cad model was created off of the jango, then scaled up according to the measurements taken at c4.

did i get all that?

so it sounds to me that this is, to date, the closest to accurate that any of these will get. until someone with direct access to a screen used boba comes along with an interest thread, this is as close as we've come.

Hey Alex,
Interested here bro! Man... the amount of money I spent here on
TDH. I could of had two brand new cars...hehe!

Pending a final price I might be interested in one.

Good stuff Chris... thanks for sharing..
Completely forgot about that video

Originally Posted by fettpride

99.9 %

Let's not forget, that although ultimately a Fox JF Missile first gen casting, their basis was exacting information/measurements from an ILM archived missile. This would mean Boba It is unclear from what exhibit, if it was a missile left laying around in the archives. No one knows. There is supposedly a requisition document floating around somewhere that might possibly reveal the exact source, but it has yet to surface. When they made their digital model from this information, THAT was scaled to Morrison. Then you have it from there

Another thing to add is the fact that the JF casting was not obscenely smaller. Because of all of this talk some might get the idea that we're talking drastic difference. Digitally it was 7% smaller. Or was it 9%? I don't remember, it's been a year since we did this

And one final note ... don't trust the "naysayer" telling you that FOx Australia didn't have access to an archived item of this sort. It is unequivocal that they did. That proof has been right under everyone's noses for years, and still ... few know it. From the "Buckethead" video ....



Perhaps someone can tell which ROTJ Gauntlet that is

Thanks buddy

FP

Count me in Spidey

Have to get the FP armor and guantlets first, but you can count me interested.

Spidey/FP, I have a question that I would like to see clarified for the board as I am being asked my opinion privately and if a few people are asking me, I assume there are more who would like to know.

What made you decide to go with copper over the more generally accepted brass?

I ask this because in your statement below you make it appear as if it is a fact that the original was copper. Is this something you have discovered to be true or something you believe based your observations of the rocket at C4? I just want to make sure we are all on the same page and that we don't end up with one person or groups perspective or interpretation being passed off as unequivicable fact as it is stated in your first post.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Most Aluminum Rockets made to date have been based on an aluminum body and a Brass head...but none with a real copper head, as seen on the real Fett gauntlet.

For anyone interested in purchasing one of these rockets from Spidey, don't let my questions deter you in any way... In fact, if needed, this topic might need to be broken out into its own thread but I didn't want to start a new thread initially as I didn't want it to appear that I was attacking Spidey's claims. I am not attacking. I am simply asking for clarification on the statement that the real rocket tip is copper as there seems to be a considerable amount of questions about what the real rocket was made of.

Well, i might be interested in one of these...if I am able to get a new set of gauntlets that is!! (FP )

There have been a very few Gaunt missles made from copper in the past. I had talked with PSBerreta (good pal of mine) a few years ago about the prospect of getting a copper tip rocket. I believe he made 2, and I saw one in person. They were very nice indeed, but i was always broke at the time, so did not get one from him. He has since moved away from anything Fett.

I think art has some valid questions there. Heres my thoguhts (for what they are worth )I guess I have been of the opinion that there are possibley 2 things going on with the gaunt missle....again, just my opinions/hunches here which are all base on the pics, so treat it as such.

1. I believe that at least some of the ROTJ rockets are brass. But, The ESB definately has always looked to me to be copper....There is something about it that looks different....in every shot!!!!! Now either it is made from copper, or it is made from brass, but with a patena of some kind on it to turn it a darker color. It definately does not have the common gold/yellowish color of machined brass. Now that different color can still be achieved with a brass tip. I believe it was Bobamaker that weathered one or the brass ones from one of our makers very nicely to the point where it did look kinda coppery. However, the ESB rocket tip does not look weathered at all IMO based on pics. It looks to be bare metal hot off the lathe to me...and it is darker than brass.

2. In talking with some others, (who's opinion I respect greatly,) it has been noted that copper would corrode up and turn green in a short time. Absolutley true!!!!! We have not seen any of the rockets exhibit that green corrosion on them. But...no one has seen the ESB gauntlets in 30 years either!!!!!!!! For all we know, the ESB rocket is sitting in a box somewhere buried in the archives and is completely green now!!!! !!!

So yeah, I could be completely wrong in my assumtions/opinions, but I think a copper tipped rocket would look fantastic on an ESB gaunt!!!!!!!!!
D

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

and a side note, for the JB project gauntlet and a few others I've painted the color of choice for the resin kits is Testors Copper.

Thats how i've done mine in the past too!! And, the one pictured above diefinately looks like copper to me. That doesn't necesarrily mean that it is...but it sure looks like it.

Great points D.

Originally Posted by Jango's kid

1. I believe that at least some of the ROTJ rockets are brass. But, The ESB definately has always looked to me to be copper....There is something about it that looks different....in every shot!!!!! Now either it is made from copper, or it is made from brass, but with a patena of some kind on it to turn it a darker color. It definately does not have the common gold/yellowish color of machined brass. Now that different color can still be achieved with a brass tip. I believe it was Bobamaker that weathered one or the brass ones from one of our makers very nicely to the point where it did look kinda coppery. However, the ESB rocket tip does not look weathered at all IMO based on pics. It looks to be bare metal hot off the lathe to me...and it is darker than brass.
D

the previous C4 shot shows a ROTJ (AOSW exhibit) gauntlet with what seems to be a "copperish" tip....and the picture here also shows the MOM exhibit, as seen at FIDM exhibit with a ROTJ gauntlet with a "copperish" tip.....Pic below.

but you are both right, what can't be explained is the corrosion factor...that's why I think it's a copper alloy, kinda like a penny.

Originally Posted by Jango's kid

Thats how i've done mine in the past too!! And, the one pictured above diefinately looks like copper to me. That doesn't necesarrily mean that it is...but it sure looks like it.

Exactly, I think everyone I know is just tired of painting them

Pennies are copper-plated zinc, not copper alloy. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc.

The C4 pics definitely look like copper. To me, the dents along the edge and the one pointed out by SpideyFett look consistent with how copper would dent. Definitely wouldn't dent like that if it was brass and the dents happened while the rocket was attached to the gauntlet.

Pure copper wouldn't oxidize to green except under conditions that would probably destroy the rest of the gauntlet.

Originally Posted by Count Dookie

Pennies are copper-plated zinc, not copper alloy. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc.

The C4 pics definitely look like copper. To me, the dents along the edge and the one pointed out by SpideyFett look consistent with how copper would dent. Definitely wouldn't dent like that if it was brass and the dents happened while the rocket was attached to the gauntlet.

Pure copper wouldn't oxidize to green except under conditions that would probably destroy the rest of the gauntlet.

Fantastic Info count dookie.....

We actually were thinking of a copper alloy of some type per my machinest, I guess that's why I was on that wave length, what do I know... but an alloy would be easier to work with and a little more durable....cost is what I'm mostly worried about.

Anyone ever tried anodized Aluminum to a copper finish???? that might be an option here too...no?

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Anyone ever tried anodized Aluminum to a copper finish???? that might be an option here too...no?

That's an option. To get a true copper finish on aluminum (with the ability to get that authentic tarnish), you would electroplate rather than anodize. I've never electroplated aluminum, but if it's as easy as plating brass, then it would come down to the cost of core materials vs. additional cost of plating. Because of the copper content in brass, I'd think that brass would take the plating better than aluminum, and that scratches through the copper would be less noticeable on brass.

You can anodize aluminum with a copper color, which may be cheaper than going the solid copper route. It's not going to have the same properties as copper, so you probably won't get any tarnish, so in that case there might not be any benefit over just painting it.

Originally Posted by Count Dookie

That's an option. To get a true copper finish on aluminum (with the ability to get that authentic tarnish), you would electroplate rather than anodize. I've never electroplated aluminum, but if it's as easy as plating brass, then it would come down to the cost of core materials vs. additional cost of plating. Because of the copper content in brass, I'd think that brass would take the plating better than aluminum, and that scratches through the copper would be less noticeable on brass.

You can anodize aluminum with a copper color, which may be cheaper than going the solid copper route. It's not going to have the same properties as copper, so you probably won't get any tarnish, so in that case there might not be any benefit over just painting it.

Thank you:thumbup...that is awesome...definately a ton of options I didn't even know about.

I think as long as it looks right, and cost cheap.. that would be the best way for this project....hopefully I can get something back as a Protype tip in the next couple of weeks.

And what about Bronze, Spidey? It's an alloy of cooper and tin, with cooper as base and tin in proportion of 2% to 20%.

Originally Posted by KaanE

And what about Bronze, Spidey? It's an alloy of cooper and tin, with cooper as base and tin in proportion of 2% to 20%.

hmm interesting ?? honestly I haven't looked into all the options yet..

and just for the sake of the conversation...here is an ESB gauntlet shot with what seems to be a copper tip rocket, and a yellowish Brass dental expander...two completely different tones.

Pending on the final total quote, i'm interested.

Thank you very much for this chunk of pic, now I can see the real calculator pad with the real colors

Just talked to the Machinest, and he is looking into a Copper Alloy....for price.

I was just thinking about bronze again, as Kane mentioned. I had a metal sculpture class in college & did alot messing around with bronze which the universal is 90% copper, 10% tin. Now when we did our sculpts, we could any number of different patenas on a piece of finnished bronze that would give different characteristics. You could use one that made it look almost gold, another that made it look very dark..almost black, annother that made it very red, almost like copper, and they even had one that would turn it completely green like the statue of liberty. I dunno where I'm going with this.....LOL Oh: it does look like some of the rocket cones are more brass/gold colored, while some pics look copper colored. I wonder if they used bronze & maybe patenaed them??? Might explain why some rockets look differnt than other in differnt pics. I dunno if machinists can work with bronze though???? Heck, I have no idea if LFL would have bothered monkeying around with a patena in 1978 either??? LOL I'm just thinkin out loud here.

Originally Posted by Jango's kid

Heck, I have no idea if LFL would have bothered monkeying around with a patena in 1978 either??? LOL I'm just thinkin out loud here.

Thinking out loud is good....it helps the dicussion.

but the only thing I could find in bronze that even looks close to the rocket was this.

Thanks for all the info Jango's Kid. I know very little about this, but that helped me understand alot better. Seeing how easy it would have been to use patina, that opens the possibility to different metals like you said. I would think that copper would have been more readily available then bronze (I have no idea). But since copper is more fragile that would explain the dent in it. Unless they used another metal and just messed up while making it.

I believe the "dent" you guys are pointing out isn't actually a dent, but just a discoloration.

Originally Posted by ART ANDREWS

I believe the "dent" you guys are pointing out isn't actually a dent, but just a discoloration.

I would have to disagree, I have too many other angles that show it is a dent. ..even video.

Maybe you are right. I sure doesn't look like a dent in the pic I posted, but in a few others it does. Hard to say, but if you have video showing it from various angles, I guess we will have to go with that.

maybe I am crazy.....but

why would they make it out of Brass only to make it look copper??

do you think they said....."gee this brass needs to look copper"

I am simply saying that common sense tells me that it was made of copper...thats why it looks copper

again...maybe I am nuts

No you arent nuts DM. It could have been a last minute change?
Maybe they said the brass might not look right, and they added a copper tip or patina as Jango's Kid said.

PSBerreta made that one, correct?

Originally Posted by oddball

PSBerreta made that one, correct?

Correct! He made 2 (I believe). One for me and one for his Fett.

That tip is copper, 100%
There were two made, one for Ripcode, and one for myself.
Did I make it?

No.
Serenity did.

Originally Posted by psberetta

That tip is copper, 100%
There were two made, one for Ripcode, and one for myself.
Did I make it?

No.
Serenity did.

Thanks for posting Tim... you guys do awesome work!!:thumbup

PM sent

Having seen the psberetta/serenity/ripcode rocket, I am certainly swayed to believe that the originals might have been copper. While I certainly don't think it is definitive and I don't think it is good to label the originals as definitively being copper, I think copper would be a good choice for this run, based on what we have seen. I am still leaning very strongly toward plating instead of solid.

I have an Aluminum Gauntlet Rocket with a BRASS tip (maker: unknown) ... and now I know what looks wrong... it must be copper ! Copper is the correct material, I´m pretty sure and agree with Spidey and the others..

If pics are needed I can post them later...

Being that copper is a soft metal and the rocket tip in the exhibits has been subjected to severe wear and tear over the years, don't you think that we'd see more damage to the rocket tip in the AoSW and MoM exhibits pics? Just a thought...I really know nothing.

even back then wasn't copper relatively expensive? i thought they wanted keep the suit cost to a minimum. so why would they spend the money to have copper machined instead of plating it with copper?

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

even back then wasn't copper relatively expensive? i thought they wanted keep the suit cost to a minimum. so why would they spend the money to have copper machined instead of plating it with copper?

Again, remember that many of the parts to make the suit were found parts, not necessarily specially machined parts, like what we're having to do in order to "Replicate" the best we can because the original parts are either not easily found or origins completely known for every single piece!

Interest List added on the first post..

quick update, the Copper Alloy has been ordered!!
...from what I was told the copper alloy is almost 99% copper, so it still looks like copper, but again is much more durable for the machinest to work with and is over all stronger.... so no dents.

Looks like I'm late to the party but had you considered Aluminium Bronze, soft, easy to machine looks the part, and probably cheaper than copper

Originally Posted by HeadlessHunter

Looks like I'm late to the party but had you considered Aluminium Bronze, soft, easy to machine looks the part, and probably cheaper than copper

Thanks , would you have any pics that show the look of it?

Interested obviously dependent on cost...but interested

Any idea on a rough price yet. I'm interested if spots are still available.

Originally Posted by jedi.paramedic

Any idea on a rough price yet. I'm interested if spots are still available.

won't know a set price till materials come in and a prototype is made.

I can add you to the list, not sure how many will be done though.

I don't have any to hand but I can take some at work tomorrow, I use it a lot in the components that my company produces, all of which are aircraft parts and so the material has to be spot on, I can tell you that it does polish up very nice and shiny though Alex

Edit - Just pulled this image off google, this is how it looks, although with proper speeds and feed-rates of tools you can get a very clean shiny finish

Originally Posted by HeadlessHunter

I don't have any to hand but I can take some at work tomorrow, I use it a lot in the components that my company produces, all of which are aircraft parts and so the material has to be spot on, I can tell you that it does polish up very nice and shiny though Alex
Edit - Just pulled this image off google, this is how it looks, although with proper speeds and feed-rates of tools you can get a very clean shiny finish

Nice Joe!!.. I like the look of it, but in that picture it still looks kinda "brassy", if that's even a word...is that the bronze or the brass version?

I'm really new at all this, and I've learned waaay to much about Copper, Copper Alloy, Electroplating..etc etc...
I was even told by my Machinest that pure copper doesn't corrode if you put a sealer or lacquer on it, or even some simple standard trade finishing techniques would help with corrosion...

Heck I'm just glad there're a ton of options to choose from for this project.

I'm interested! Depending on mostly Price, but I'm interested! Put me down!

Originally Posted by Crimson Phoenix

I'm interested! Depending on mostly Price, but I'm interested! Put me down!

List updated.

Im in for one

These sound awesome! Please add me to the list . . .

HH

Sign me up! Looking forward to seeing this develop.

List updated.

And the Copper Alloy came in yesterday, so hopefully we'll be able to show a proto-type soon.

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

So when is the Jango sized missile coming? Actually there probably wouldn't be huge interest in all metal Jango rockets, but a resin one would be fine

...soon.

and here are a few shots of the machinest "test cutting" the copper alloy...

I'm interested! Could you put my name and Zanenigma name on the list if there's spots still available?

-Joe

I'll be interested on a resin too.

Originally Posted by godaking

I'm interested! Could you put my name and Zanenigma name on the list if there's spots still available?
-Joe

Sure, list updated.

Originally Posted by SEEKER

I'll be interested on a resin too.

and resin one???

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Sure, list updated.



and resin one???

No funds.

Those that know me know I work with Spidey in my day job. and in his absence I will be posting the new prototype pictures and keeping this thread updated for the next week.
please PM me if needed.

Matt

Hi Everyone

I have an update for those interested. The final pricing has been calculated.

Each missile will be $225 shipped in the lower 48. Hawaii, Canada, and Alaska will be an additional $5.00. Overseas will be an additional $10.00.

Approximately 20 prototypes were started today and they look amazing ! The machinist is waiting for the rest of the aluminum to arrive, but this is going to happen fast.

And just for FYI sake, our very own Spideyfett is machining most of these pieces for you guys

MOre information will be posted this evening or tomorrow.



FP

Originally Posted by fettpride

Hi Everyone

I have an update for those interested. The final pricing has been calculated.

Each missile will be $225 shipped in the lower 48. Hawaii, Canada, and Alaska will be an additional $5.00. Overseas will be an additional $10.00.

Approximately 20 prototypes were started today and they look amazing ! The machinist is waiting for the rest of the aluminum to arrive, but this is going to happen fast.

And just for FYI sake, our very own Spideyfett is machining most of these pieces for you guys

MOre information will be posted this evening or tomorrow.



FP

SpideyFett a machinest? : WOW!! Now I know we are in good hands.. hehe!

Is this for Jango as well?

That is just B.A.
I was doubting the Copper
i thought it was brass
I'm sold now

Ehhhhhh, after further examination, I think the tip is probably "BRASS"........


JUST KIDDING! Looking real good guys, way 2 go!

Sweet! I can't wait

Originally Posted by Punhulk

Update/ Discounted payment preorder now due:

Now taking payments!

Sweet!