ESB Gaunlet greeblie help

Hey guys… just trying to pull together my FP gauntlets and these two greeblies/ buttons have me stumped. I’m not sure if they’ve ever been identified or not. They seem to only be on the ESB gauntlet and not the ROTJ version. They one on the front of the gauntlet looks like it may be sort of “port” for a cable… or something, the other seems to just be a square push button.


Anybody have any ideas? Is there any sort of off-the-shelf item I could use for these? I’d like to get something as accurate as possible to the screen used item, but if it means I’ll have to look through piles of European 1960s word processors for the next 10 years… I think I’ll just go to Radio Shack and find something close enough.


Sorry for the size of the pic… I’m on my work computer and don’t have all of my ESB ref pics. Thanks for looking!

Wow, I never noticed that before. I may have to alter mine now. please share what you find.

Just from looking at that pic, I would save some time and use a USB 2.0 post for the front outlet. The side looks like some sort of rectagular power switch. Maybe a flashlight push button for it.

looks like a hole and a peice of styrene to me.

I dont really think it was so simple as a hole and a p iece of plastic... they must be some hardware pieces, as they made in all the rest, but what ??? very very very hard to tell I'm affraid...

The option of the USB slot looks very cool, and the other piece.. puffff.. very hard to tell from that pic (is there any other pic of that ? )

Oh, no doubt, you're right. But I was trying to identify what I saw, and I'm afraid that's all I can make of it.

Thanks for the replys guys

I had hoped somebody who knew what the actual parts were would have chimed in but I guess the secrets of the gauntlet greeblies… will remain just that… more Boba mysteries’ secrets

Also if you guys look at the pre-pro gauntlets, they have the same greeblies… for whatever it’s worth

Thanks!

The thing on the side looks like part of my retainer when I was like 8. Another kind of dental expander, but a longer one.

Where is the picture from? A screen grab or a promo picture?

-=QuinN!

I think these collages were done by a TDH'er, but as you'll notice the button on the side is also on the Pre-pro. It looks concave and has a small radius on the edges. On the ESB suit it looks of a reddish hue to me.....I made mine the "Boxcar Red" that I also used for the piano keys on the jet pack.

The front black "button" area looks to me that it has the same recess in the gauntlet like the ROTJ, just painted black.

Thanks bro, that helps alot.

On a side note... the Boba Koto statue... the side button is painted a purplish color. But in the pics it does look to be a boxcar red kinda color.

Thanks again

could it be a push button phone button??

I think you have a good argument on this! I did some research (I don't want to steal your find, just showing some facts) and found an image with measurements from a 1970's Ever Ready Catalogue:



Note that the button is a 'slide' and not 'push' type (in the OFF position).

The overall lenght is 85,7mm, the width is 37,3mm at the middle and around 32mm at the front and back side, the height is 21,4mm and the button is around 12mm on each side (?).

Here is another image with the same torch (?) (different color):



This time the button is slide in the ON position.

I think that part is a scratch build and they simply put the whole (?) torch in that casing:



As for the button, they easily made it from 'slide' to 'push' type (in the ON position).

You did an amazing detective work so far! Keep up the hunt!

Looks like you've nailed it!

Here's the PP1 gauntlet again with the button intact.

OK, that is pretty interesting...now this had me thinking about the 4th shin tool. Scapal holder have we ID'd that part? Is that the 4th shin tool? Is it possible that the scalpal holder is the 4 shin tool and is like a tube? I dont know just thinking...

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

OK, that is pretty interesting...now this had me thinking about the 4th shin tool. Scapal holder have we ID'd that part? Is that the 4th shin tool? Is it possible that the scalpal holder is the 4 shin tool and is like a tube? I dont know just thinking...

I was doing some digging on that part a while ago and found some tube-shaped things in ww2 era surgical kits. I'm convinced that the 4th tool is the scalpel holder (I think it's a typo in the paper calling it scalpal).

Originally Posted by RafalFett

I think you have a good argument on this! I did some research (I don't want to steal your find, just showing some facts) and found an image with measurements from a 1970's Ever Ready Catalogue:


The overall lenght is 85,7mm, the width is 37,3mm at the middle and around 32mm at the front and back side, the height is 21,4mm and the button is around 12mm on each side (?).

To add some fuel to this torch fire I think these measurements fit nicely with those that Art recently provided from the original mold in this thread. 32 mm at the front of the torch falls within these.

I'm at home now and I can do better comparisons between the right gauntlet and the Ever Ready Minilight. I was wrong with the fact that the right gauntlet has a 'push' and not a 'slide' button, because I looked at the Supertrooper video, and it seems that Norman Reynolds (production designer on ESB) slide the button to turn the torch ON and OFF:



Here are the measurements of the Ever Ready Minilight:



And 2 comparison images with the Pre-Pro #1 (with Art's measurements) and ESB Hero (overlayed images) right gauntlets:



Congratulations for mekroid, because I think he nailed this!

Based on the sound in that video I think Rafal is right about a slide vs. push button. A latching push button would have two distinct clicks, whereas a slide has one. It is very distinctly one click both when turned on and off.

I had been thinking push button before, especially based on this photo. It just looks so centered, not like a slide would at all. But looking again with Rafal's photo in mind I think I can see the same room for slide. Very Cool!

So, let me get this straight... I leave for vacation... and you guys just decide to go find all the cool Fett stuff without me!

Really?

(I am leaving on vacation a lot more if that is the case!!!)

How freakin' awesome is this find?!? We always knew the button turned on the switch but I always assumed it was something custom made. Clearly, I was wrong. I would have never thought this part would be found as it is so random and small but it looks to me like this is a dead ringer.

In regard to the pushbutton vs switch, there is clearly enough room in the cutout of the gauntlet for a sliding switch.

SO FREAKIN' AWESOME!!! Congrats on another find, guys! You truly rock!

Originally Posted by Art Andrews

So, let me get this straight... I leave for vacation... and you guys just decide to go find all the cool Fett stuff without me!

Really?

(I am leaving on vacation a lot more if that is the case!!!)

How freakin' awesome is this find?!? We always knew the button turned on the switch but I always assumed it was something custom made. Clearly, I was wrong. I would have never thought this part would be found as it is so random and small but it looks to me like this is a dead ringer.

In regard to the pushbutton vs switch, there is clearly enough room in the cutout of the gauntlet for a sliding switch.

SO FREAKIN' AWESOME!!! Congrats on another find, guys! You truly rock!

After all those awesome finds (the Max Cervantes Gauntlets and the Supertrooper Blaster greeblie) you deserved a good vacation. And I can't wait to see those cool things that you will reveal to us in about 6 months.

And to point out another similarity between the Ever Ready Minilight and the right gauntlet torch:



... the same warm light.

I am literally doing a happy dance over here. Such a cool discovery and yet another of those things that seems so common and plain that we were never likely to find. You guys have made my day! Way to go mekroid and way for everyone else to follow up! Great stuff!!!

Where do I get one...

I love these found parts!!!

Well now i need one of these lol.

There apparently was a couple on ebay but nothing at the moment. They were fairly inexpensive too. Between 12 and 40 bucks. Of course now we will all drive the prices up haha.

Yeah. Now the flashlight people will hate us.

Everyone blame Mekroid!

Excellent find!

You know there is somebody at google or yahoo asking why a "Ever Ready Minilight" is trending on searchers.

Hahaha!

Originally Posted by mekroid

And while I think about it , the scalpel holder , alias the jet pack adjust tool right?....those four fins on the end that isnt a socket ....I have a very similar blade handle somewhere , could be very old exacto , it has a metal body but a similar plastic part in white on the end that doesnt hold blades ... again when I find it .....

Before you start looking for the jetpack adjustment tool, you better take a look at this image with the shin tools:



At some point the best direction for the 4th shin tool was a microphone casing, but we still don't know the right model. I did some research on this and altough I didn't find the actual part, I managed to do some nice comparison images with this tool's variations ==> RafalFett Strikes Back... with the 4th Shin Tool!

I can't wait to see some good images with your Ever Right Minilight in all its glory!

Rafal , you are totally right with that one , the other tools had lodged in memory and for some reason I do now remember those shots of the obviously bigger adjust tool thingy ... after reading your well researched thread(WOW!)I'm convinced about the telescope for the proto gun and the tool !...nice job dude !

Makes me think , I dont get on here that much and probably just dont know where to look but is there a definitive list anywhere on TDH as to actual found objects involved in the suit?...if there isnt can I suggest there should be so people like me dont go around re inventing circular methods of conveyance
....also Ive wanted to see the 'super trooper' footage for years now ...it took a few minutes poking around on you tube but finally I did after Rafal's earlier post ...again Ive probably just not looked hard enough , but couldnt find an obvious link to it in an anchored place on here...am I missing it somehow?

I'd be interested in your opinions on the glass fibre roller idea... I stress this is only a theory but struck me as a possibility for the last few years now , also I tried the plumb bob on the end of an old one of these and and it looked good (ballpark)...the rollers have a tube through the centre like any paint roller and the plumb bob has a threaded hole where the line attaches so you could run a threaded bar through the roller and screw it into the bob.

This is the KIND of roller , there are many variations ... I would suggest that ,if one was the part, it was a 60's/70's one that was laying around the studios... I pulled one out of a skip during a clearout at a small prop company I used to help at years back .

this secont type is not relevant to this but shows an interesting greeblie that may occur elsewhere in SW or whatever (may spark someone else)...its just to illustrate the differing types of item .

The first type of roller is available in several different lengths and diameters .

Again I stress this is a possible ballpark theory only , but I figure I should chuck it out there ...(now Ive seen RAFAL's work I think I know who I'd put money on to find out if this theory flies1.. )

Also , does anyone think there is mileage in this plum bob idea?....

As Ive said already , I took a push mould of a cheap one and this stripped some of the chroming revealing its brassy colour underneath .This would of course need a mass of holes drilled in ... thats why I made one in RONDO (resin/bondo)....Ive heard THE method for drilling these kind of holes is to do it to the end of stock material THEN turn it to a cone ?...this is whats been throwing me about the theory .

Originally Posted by mekroid

Rafal , you are totally right with that one , the other tools had lodged in memory and for some reason I do now remember those shots of the obviously bigger adjust tool thingy ... after reading your well researched thread(WOW!)I'm convinced about the telescope for the proto gun and the tool !...nice job dude !

Thanks for the kind words! Although the 4th shin tool wasn't a part of a telescope, at least we have some generic measurements for that tool.

Originally Posted by mekroid

Makes me think , I dont get on here that much and probably just dont know where to look but is there a definitive list anywhere on TDH as to actual found objects involved in the suit?...if there isnt can I suggest there should be so people like me dont go around re inventing circular methods of conveyance

Most of the found parts are described in the TDH Wiki
For the Letraset dry transfer go here ==> Letraset Dry Transfer Font - Folio Bold Condensed

Originally Posted by mekroid

....also Ive wanted to see the 'super trooper' footage for years now ...it took a few minutes poking around on you tube but finally I did after Rafal's earlier post ...again Ive probably just not looked hard enough , but couldnt find an obvious link to it in an anchored place on here...am I missing it somehow?

From another of my threads ==> SuperTrooper Footage - New Link on StarWars.com

Originally Posted by mekroid

I'd be interested in your opinions on the glass fibre roller idea... I stress this is only a theory but struck me as a possibility for the last few years now , also I tried the plumb bob on the end of an old one of these and and it looked good (ballpark)...the rollers have a tube through the centre like any paint roller and the plumb bob has a threaded hole where the line attaches so you could run a threaded bar through the roller and screw it into the bob.

This is the KIND of roller , there are many variations ... I would suggest that ,if one was the part, it was a 60's/70's one that was laying around the studios... I pulled one out of a skip during a clearout at a small prop company I used to help at years back .

Again I stress this is a possible ballpark theory only , but I figure I should chuck it out there ...(now Ive seen RAFAL's work I think I know who I'd put money on to find out if this theory flies1.. )

I realy like the look of that roller, it seems very close to the left gauntlet's rocket body. Do you have some measurements for that?
There was another similar thing but from a different tool posted by someone else ==> Found item similar to Gauntlet rocket

Originally Posted by mekroid

Also , does anyone think there is mileage in this plum bob idea?....

As Ive said already , I took a push mould of a cheap one and this stripped some of the chroming revealing its brassy colour underneath .This would of course need a mass of holes drilled in ... thats why I made one in RONDO (resin/bondo)....Ive heard THE method for drilling these kind of holes is to do it to the end of stock material THEN turn it to a cone ?...this is whats been throwing me about the theory .

You might be onto something with this, at least with the form. You did some great research here! Keep up the hunt!

I can't say with certainty that the gauntlet rocket is or is not made of found parts. However, there is evidence that would suggest the rocket was a custom machined piece. A few years ago, Prop Store offered a small log book from a machinist (maybe from Elstree?) who worked on Star Wars. This notebook included a number of Star Wars pieces including some 3P0 parts as well as the rocket for Fett. I have photos somewhere of it, but all the measurements are marked out. While that isn't proof that the rocket was machined and doesn't mean it wasn't originally a found item, it strongly indicates that it was machined.

This is great news indeed......... Very nicely done :-)

Originally Posted by Art Andrews

While that isn't proof that the rocket was machined and doesn't mean it wasn't originally a found item, it strongly indicates that it was machined.

Are there any examples (i.e. precedent) of SW props around this time, especially with regard to Fett, where there was a known prototype prop made from found parts but then machined duplicates were made? I know this happened in the form of molding/casting, but what about machining?

You guys never cease to amaze me, well done on the find

just picked up 2 MiniLights from British evilBay

Ditto....

Originally Posted by Syper

just picked up 2 MiniLights from British evilBay

thanks, help and info

Anyone want to sell their extra one?

I just hope that some of you (who bought the minilight) will do a lot of images and measurements so we can have more info regarding this found part.

Thanks in advance!

Well guys found this on ebay though someone might want the org part so here it is Ever Ready Mini Light Torch Pocket 6051 Working 1970s | eBay

I have one that I will be including on my new esb gauntlets due to be finished as soon as I mold that said part.

That's great! I hope someone will grab that one. But could someone (who bought a torch) post some better images and some measurements of the real stuff?

Thanks!

GAH! its only UK sales!! i messaged him anyway to see if he'd ship to the US. I REALLY want one of these! thanks for posting!

That was impressive. In the last couple hours of the auction it shot from £1.99 to finish at £26.00... not including shipping. Was that one of you folks who got it, or some avid torch collector? i.e., can we expect that to be a typical cost to source this item, or d'you think that was an outlier?

--Jonah

Another clear shot of it on the right gaunt.

Well, I will tell you this, it is coming to the US, and you will be able to buy a copy.

Intriguing... any idea on a timeline, asok? I have a set of gaunts I'm working on right now, and at the very least I'd like to have the actual switch from this pocket light.

I was at work when the auction ended..i had a snipe set up, but it apparently wasnt enough :/ Lost by 2 pounds...One day i will get one...*sigh*

Originally Posted by Necronaut

Intriguing... any idea on a timeline, asok? I have a set of gaunts I'm working on right now, and at the very least I'd like to have the actual switch from this pocket light.

No clue yet. It will just depend on when it gets to me.

Ok guys I've got the everyday light will get some pics of it and also have the switch part moulded next week.

Originally Posted by boba trooper

Ok guys I've got the everyday light will get some pics of it and also have the switch part moulded next week.

Congrats for the purchase! Can't wait to see the images! Could you do some measurements too, to confirm my values from post #14 and #19? Thanks!

Can't wait to see it!!

Ok guys here are pics of this everready mini light as a whole and taken apart abit ready for me to mold the button, the measurements on post 14 by ral are pretty much on the button, there perfect so you can go off them or some of the ones Ive taken, anyhow here they are if anyone needs anymore let me know.

Cheers

Bobatrooper

Here is the image with the Ever Ready Minilight's measurements:



A huge thanks (again) to boba trooper!

That is great! Once I get mine in the next week, I will have copies for anybody in the US.

Very cool, and thanks to everyone for sharing their finds!

Now the next question... was this used as part of the gauntlet shape at the front, or did they just use the guts & light inside and the button on the outside?

Originally Posted by Necronaut

Now the next question... was this used as part of the gauntlet shape at the front, or did they just use the guts & light inside and the button on the outside?

It is possible that they used the whole mini torch and build that part of the gauntlet around it:

That is what I think. If it's supposed to be functional like the one in the supertrooper gauntlet it needs the batteries, and keeping the rest of the torch built in sounds like an easy solution to keep the batteries built in.

Originally Posted by RafalFett

It is possible that they used the whole mini torch and build that part of the gauntlet around it:

I'm with Raf on this one. That's my theory as well

Ive always thought of it as the whole torch in the gauntlet ...the recess at the front looks to me to be a rectangular opening cut into the vac of the gauntlet with the torch face behind it ... the bulb would be masked off and the recessed torch front painted ...thats what I think we see at the front...(my theory )...
the torch could be mounted on velcro with the switch sticking through the side panel ?...this leaves easy access to batteries and a self contained unit in the gauntlet ... after all 'why fix what isnt broke?'

Im Working on a set of gauntlets at the moment so will build a platform to hold the light in and see how it goes will, let you all know how I get on with it and also if anyone needs just the button part, as soon as I have molded it I will send a few out if people want one.

I should have mine in 2 weeks. :/ Won the auction on Dec 14 and he says that it will ship today.

Is the button a 'slide' switch, or a push-button on the flashlight?

Originally Posted by Necronaut

Is the button a 'slide' switch, or a push-button on the flashlight?

Slide switch. It slides very little though. I remember having one of those flashlights when i was a wee ladd lol

Thanks!

I have worked on these files for a while now... and almost drive me crazy. Most of the parts are based on estimations and guess work using the images posted by boba trooper (a huge thanks for him!) and although I didn't posted measurements, I provided a mm and an inch ruler to help you in printing the image at the right percentage. I did a test print using the Windows Picture And Fax Viewer program (for Windows users) with the 'Full Page Fax Print' option, resulting a perfect 1:1 page (sadly I'm not sure about the LTR format). But I guess it depends on the printer settings too...

Here are the files in A4 and Letter formats:


If there are areas that needs tweaking or resizing, just let me know and I will do the necessary adjustments.


Have fun!

fantastic, simply remarkable.

Awesome.......

Anyone got one of these yet and or had any luck finding any on the web?

I ALMOST got one on the bay...lost it by $1!! ugh...maybe next time. Im trying to get my hands on one to rig up in my gauntlet

Originally Posted by hammsterdam1943

Anyone got one of these yet and or had any luck finding any on the web?

asok and boba trooper have them. Boba trooper has posted pics.

Even better news, for me anyway, I finally got one off evil bay! I'm gonna try my best to get the whole thing into my new FP gauntlets which should be shipping next week!

Any luck DV getting the light installed?

Awesome thread! I hate you guys It seems the limit of my obsession can be measured by my ever growing parts list.

I saw one today on ebay for $157. No thanks. Is anyone still selling casts? Also, has anyone found it possible to turn the cast into a working torch?

Originally Posted by hammsterdam1943

Any luck DV getting the light installed?

Havent gotten around to it...but i posted some fitting pics in the thread where i mentioned i got one, and even though technically its the slightly larger one, i think it'll fit.

Not really sure why someone would want a cast of it to in the gauntlet. you cant see it. The only reason i want it in there is to have it function, so a real one makes more sense to me...even though the cost can be high. Ive added a light like that before but it worked off one of the pushbutton switches. Id like to get this to work with the actual torch switch n all. A working cast would be awesome though!