eBay Sellers To Avoid

After looking around a bit, I could not locate a thread of "Straight Shooters" Vs. "Bad Sellers." If there is one around here somewhere, please point me to it and delete this.

Anyway, I had a bad experience with an eBay seller and figured I might help inform potential bidders - man, do I wish I'd had such a resource available to me before I bought from this guy!

I also re-read the FAQ Guidelines before starting this thread and I don't believe I'm violating anything.

OK, so back in mid-March I bought a set of "Finished ESB Boba Fett Gauntlets" from eBay Seller Frank-N-Son-Part2. They didn't arrive until the second week of May. Granted, he's in the UK and I'm in Los Angeles, but that's still a LONG time.

What arrived was a crushed box, wrapped in a garbage bag with a name tag stuck to it. He said he was going to send the package with some sort of tracking info, but every time I asked him how I could track the package, he claimed his wife had posted the package and he didn't have the number with him. No surprise when the package arrived, it did not have any sort of tracking number on it.

The gauntlets themselves were not what was pictured in the auction. The paint job was a gloppy green mess with silver splotches. I thought I could just sand & repaint them, but then there was the problem of trying to get them to fit together. Nothing was aligned. For instance, I present to you the left gauntlet:

http://img12.echo.cx/img12/4059/dsc001971kr.jpg

He suggested that I should squeeze the bottom portion hard and it would fit... all that accomplished was that the flamethrower parts popped off.

Finally, I tried to contact him after discussing the gauntlets with some other prop builders and they were of the opinion these were recast, hence the soft details. His reaction? No reply.

After a week of e-mails with no reply, I left him negative feedback to which he finally replied: with a nasty e-mail (claiming his wife read the e-mails I sent but did not know how to reply) and negative feedback for me. (That makes sense, right? He sends me ****** merchandise which means I deserve negative feedback?)

To wrap this up, I'd like to state that I have ordered new gauntlets from a reputable TDH member and hereby suggest you think twice before bidding on a Frank-N-Son-Part2 auction.

Meanwhile, how about a thread in the Cargo Hold where we can list people we've made deals with and give them the thumbs up? I've had some good experiences with darbycrash, OPPI, and Rimshot!

Good luck and be careful out there!

- Joe

yikes...sorry to hear about that...I will make a note of it though.

Thanks,

womo

Yikes .. those look like the gauntlets that I got for my birthday ( in kit form ) ... talk about ugly rubbish !!!! :puke

I bought a kit from that guy some time ago now and I had the same problems, the clamshells just wouldn't fit together. It's pretty impossible to bend the shells to make them fit, as any sane person will know fibreglass doesn't exactly bend!


Dan

I have seen his auctions and have actually considered bidding on them before. Yet another instance where a TDH member has saved my wallet. Thanks for the head's up!

Thats the left gauntlet? Whas with the hose connectors?

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Thats the left gauntlet? Whas with the hose connectors?

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Both gauntlets have hose connectors. I figured I would cut this one off & bondo it, but considering there's nothing much I can do with these anyway, that's become a moot point.

I always thought it would make sense for this gauntlet to have a hose, tho... for the flamethrower fluid or something. Ah well.

I started a Good Trader / Seller list in the Cargo Hold - feel free to add the board names of people you've had good experiences with!

- Jow!

Man that is the scary thing about ebay, ya just never know for sure what you are gonna get. I will say most people are pretty good but there are always those few out there.

God, i think i spoke to this bloke about some of his bf armour on ebay. Im so sorry you have had such a bad experience, cant beleve it + bad feedback!!!
Well now people will no not 2 deal with this guy!! I cant beleve how bad the gauntlet is tho. I would be ashamed if i had sold and sent someone that!! what a nasty guy!!
Hope you new gauntlets will be better!!

Z

i brought my gauntlets from this ebayer and had to modify the hell out of them but they arent too bad(uncrosses fingers) my problem is living in the uk and i needed a set of gauntlets quick.i did buy some bf armour from him but the less said about that the better.

I bought some GREAT QUALITY gauntlets from manowars studios, they came out really nice. I recommed him.

I wish we had a list of bad buyers to avoid, so that we can cancel bids and get paid on our items in a timely manner. I would like to suggest ebay buyer Metalgreyfox, he refuesd to pay for my jet pack that he won in my auction that ended 10 days ago (My auctions clearly state payment is to be received within 5 days of auction's close). Oh, the things I wish I coulkd say without violating all of the rules on these boards ...

For Gauntlets I would check the Seller's feedback carefully,
on page 3 of his feedback he had two negatives on Fett stuff:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...&iid=-1&de=off

After seeing that, I would not have bid on his items.

guys,

please do yourselves a favor. Get a set from "ruffkintoy"
his are great. I've had 2 sets from him already, about to get a 3rd.
(I built/painted/sold the first 2 while waiting several months for my SFP jumpsuit)

I have been watching these forums for awhile while building my suit. Nothing real fancy, but satisfies my needs. I also purchased a set of gauntlets from this frank and sons. I guess you get what you pay for. The kit was only around 80-90 USD. I am sure the higher end kits are more expensive. Yes, I too had to get creative to get them to fit and the details are far from sharp. They are not the best, but they are also inexpensive. You may not be happy with them in the long run, so if you are picky...spend the extra dough.

Ruffkintoy's gauntlets run alittle about $125 US
That's not much more, & the quality is top-notch.

mind you i brought my knee armour from him and on the plus it has metal darts which are a nice quality,shame about the knee armour.

Brutal! Especially when sellers have pictures that are not of the product they are selling and don't advise you. The feedback is always a bit tricky. If the other person hasn't left you feedback then you risk getting bad feedback thrown back at you for reasons not your fault. You know you can respond to your negative feedback so others can see that you didn't deserve it..

and dont get me started about his flak jackets!!!!

We seem to have touched off a nerve in ya, English-Boba! ;)

- Jow!

i must have paid less than half for the quality stuff i got afterwards

still live and let live

I think what bothered me more than the ****** merchandise was his attitude about the whole thing. All I did was ASK if I could have my money back. If he'd only replied with something like "hey, man - you've had the things for nearly a month, I'm sorry but no can do" I would have been fine with it. But instead I get:

"Lying git! I dont hire stuff, I sell it! Classic case of trying to con an honest seller! Just to let you know I've now blocked you from bidding on any more items."

Whoa. There's one heck of a threat, huh? :lol

- Jow!

like youd want to bid on any more items???

Jep, bought my Jango's from him to when he was still selling under the name of "frank-n-son" only (i wouldn't be suprised that it was shut down due to the many negative responses from buyers, so his know since a couple of month as frank-n-son 2 (what ingenious creativity!)).
Had the same problem with the shape and no accuracy at all. I took me a whole week (doing not much else) to bring them to the state that thea are in now.

Also I get to know his sloppy attitude to customers, as he should have included not only a sabredart but a grabbing hook too (which was missing of course) it took me 5!! months of emails and waiting to finally get that furter piece of **** (I mean the mainbody is quiet nice from alluminum but the wings are just a gag. It looks more like a Flash Gordon Rocket!).

But I was young then ;) and hadn't got an idea that there was a miraculous forum out there, which could have saved me a lot of nerves.

So how about a good - bad sellers list, where you only state what happened without too many answers to it, so anyone hasn't got to read themselves through a couple of pages, but has gets all info at one look?

PS: I also noticed his blocking thread. After a fellow german mandalorian (admfrancis) ordered also a pair of Jango's and they were even worth than mine, he tried to get back his money for that **** (which he didn't get as you may guess). Shortly after that, he added a general note to his auctions that no german bidders were accepted!!! I'm wondring how that guy can still find anyone to buy from him?! But I guess it's mostly noobs like I was then who fall into his pit.

SlackJawedYokel, I'm sorry you had to go through all that trouble. Quite frankly, that really sucks! I know it can be heart breaking to recieve a piece that you are so excited about and having it arrive at your doorstep looking like a piece of ****.

I had to work with a pair of those "Frank and Son" gauntlets that I bought from an ebay person who was very dissapointed in them as well. I bought them for my "Two Day Fett." Here is the thread: http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f25/two-day-fett-7900/.


My pieces arrived in the same condition as yours did. However, Here is what I did, I did a little trimming on the inner part of the gauntlet as to make it not so bulky. Then I stuck it in boiling water for a few seconds and the fiberglass became mushy. I then formed the piece again and it finally fit together. I also added hose connectors, reset all the darts, and gave it a new weathering paint job. The final product was surprisingly pretty good. It's not screen accurate, but most people don't know it.

I wish you the best of luck with your gauntlets my friend.

Hes also been selling ****** recast Predator Bio Helmets, along with the description it stated 'item may have cracks in the surface this is where it has been released from the mould' Ive seen his gauntlets as well and to be honest they do appear poorly made (recasted) whatever >:

I bought a set of gauntlets from him. Never again... ever! It took him weeks to deliver (I believe he sells guants and armour on eBay, THEN makes them!!!) loads of emails, including several saying that he'd had problems with the glue. And then when they arrive the fibreglass is shoddy and the ABS plastic bady cut. Bobamaker now gets all of my custom.

Oh dear, hes got a fiberglass Vader helmet up now, shocking shocking stuff, checking his ebay feedback you can see he bought up a load of casting equipment, obviously just trying to make a quick buck, shameless.

hi there
im new to this forum but would like to add my say in this discussion on frank-n-son-part2.
slackjawedyokel, maybe you would like to start again and tell the truth on this matter, i know frank-n-son-part2,ive seen your original emails and the insulting ones you sent,if theres a conman on this forum its you.
as for the guy who said he cant bend the bottom shells in place, its polymer glass fibre,mine squeeze in just fine,if sjy had listened to what he was told ,the gauntlet bottoms fit inside both sides, this would have avoided any damage to the weapon, any one could see that.

however after seeing sjy 's emails i think that maybe the tdh should also have a thread for lyers and conmen and by the way his wife doesnt suffer from downs syndrome.

i have also been informed as well that the flak jacket that uk fett bought was originally bought from the tk409 website.

well now we got ebay sellers on here cause ppl cant shut there mouths. great job!!!

hi there bobafettslave 1
just to cheer you up ,i wont be staying on this forum, if one person can lie and mislead then what other bad info is out there.

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Originally Posted by newfett

hi there
im new to this forum but would like to add my say in this discussion on frank-n-son-part2.
slackjawedyokel, maybe you would like to start again and tell the truth on this matter, i know frank-n-son-part2,ive seen your original emails and the insulting ones you sent,if theres a conman on this forum its you.
as for the guy who said he cant bend the bottom shells in place, its polymer glass fibre,mine squeeze in just fine,if sjy had listened to what he was told ,the gauntlet bottoms fit inside both sides, this would have avoided any damage to the weapon, any one could see that.

however after seeing sjy 's emails i think that maybe the tdh should also have a thread for lyers and conmen and by the way his wife doesnt suffer from downs syndrome.

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You better be right when making such glaring observations. I to had my run in with Frank-and-son LEt me just say I dont have them anymore. He isnt completly lieing I know first hand that what I recieved wasnt what was pictured. I wasnt going to say anything because I know Bigaboy to be there go to guy.


BTW you cannot squeeze anything. IT will break.

hi there
this argument isnt about the quality, ill let people decide that for themselves on his feedback on ebay.
im talking about the claim of asking for his money back and the so called attitude he recieved, i cant show the emails he sent without permission from fns.
fns have refunded anyone that has asked when theyve not been happy, he did not ask for a refund until 2 months later down the line.
and the pic of the gauntlets he posted at the top of this thread showing fully built gauntlets but his claim they were all broken up ????/ hhhhhmmmmmmm.
i do know however that they have been working on producing a better, cleaner sharper set of gauntlets because they have had emails from people who have asked for this but at the same price as they cant afford the top notch gauntlets. i can post a pic i was sent of the new casts ( prototypes though) there still working on the moulds.

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Originally Posted by newfett

he did not ask for a refund until 2 months later down the line.

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Per his original post, he did not receive the gauntlets until 2 months after he bought them.

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Originally Posted by SlackJawedYokel

OK, so back in mid-March I bought a set of "Finished ESB Boba Fett Gauntlets" from eBay Seller Frank-N-Son-Part2. They didn't arrive until the second week of May.

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Originally Posted by newfett

and the pic of the gauntlets he posted at the top of this thread showing fully built gauntlets but his claim they were all broken up ????/ hhhhhmmmmmmm.

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Once again, read his original post. He never claimed they were 'all broken up.' He said the paint was a mess and the gauntlets did not fit together.

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Originally Posted by SlackJawedYokel

The paint job was a gloppy green mess with silver splotches. I thought I could just sand & repaint them, but then there was the problem of trying to get them to fit together. Nothing was aligned.

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Only after following the instructions to squeeze the parts together (as you also say he should have done) did he say anything came off of the gauntlets. I have no first hand knowledge of this transaction, but before posting a counter to the original post, please do us a favor and READ the original post.

hi there
his email from when he recieved them is about 2 months ago, he asked for money back last week.
his email dscribed them as smashed up ( story changed on the forum)

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Originally Posted by xaoslord

Per his original post, he did not receive the gauntlets until 2 months after he bought them.





Once again, read his original post. He never claimed they were 'all broken up.' He said the paint was a mess and the gauntlets did not fit together.



Only after following the instructions to squeeze the parts together (as you also say he should have done) did he say anything came off of the gauntlets. I have no first hand knowledge of this transaction, but before posting a counter to the original post, please do us a favor and READ the original post.

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also check his ebay feedback for a description of state

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Originally Posted by newfett

hi there
his email from when he recieved them is about 2 months ago, he asked for money back last week.
his email dscribed them as smashed up ( story changed on the forum)

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I think people should cease accusing people of being conmen or liars and focus on the fact that SJY is merely expressing his experience on eBay. Whilst I can understand why you are sticking up for your friends NewFett, it isn't really your place to do so, and then throw accusations as well. If FNS have any input on this let them do so themselves. TDH is not a place for throwing accusations, I have my own opinions on certain sellers on eBay, and whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion they should remain courteous to other TDHers. I'm sure this is outlined in the COC.


Dan

even if they are lying.....oh well,ok i will say no more on the subject as i agree , fns is in the room with me and said he is not wanting to join in as hes not really that bothered,if someone talks to him reasonably , he works with them, if not he doesnt,end of conversation and back to other things star wars.

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Originally Posted by mandalore697

I think people should cease accusing people of being conmen or liars and focus on the fact that SJY is merely expressing his experience on eBay. Whilst I can understand why you are sticking up for your friends NewFett, it isn't really your place to do so, and then throw accusations as well. If FNS have any input on this let them do so themselves. TDH is not a place for throwing accusations, I have my own opinions on certain sellers on eBay, and whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion they should remain courteous to other TDHers. I'm sure this is outlined in the COC.


Dan

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The -list of good eBayers- was removed, and perhapes This one should be to. what one man doesnt like another will love, its all a matter of taste. I am not defending anyone here its just my own view.

I thought SJY to present his case good far and honest without any biased opinion, He has facts and presents His case well, if there is emails that say otherwise by all means post them to get this out, so we can get both sides of the story.

Its not a matter of FNS steppng into the an argument as much has it is presenting all the facts.

Sigh! Yeah, I'm a con man and ripoff artist. Isn't it obvious? I payed Frank-N-Son-2 for gauntlets, and loved them SO MUCH that I've ordered new gauntlets from Ruffkintoy.

Go ahead and provoke me all you wish, "NewFett." This is the last I'm writing on the matter. I tried to talk to you like an adult (as if we're supposed to believe YOU aren't F-N-S-2) and you sent me insulting e-mails WHICH, I do admit, I sent insulting e-mails in return to.

I think the majority of the posts in this thread about F-N-S-2's work sums it all up. If a mod wants to delete or lock this thread, then please do. I don't want to be responsible for a big 'ol arguement thread and "NewFett" seems to have come looking for a fight.

-J!

I got one for you NewFett, ask F-N-S2 where he got his original gauntlets from.

sjy, fns is the one who REPLIED to insulting emails, had you not sent those emails and insults this would have been avoided.
ruffkintoys...i know where his gauntlets come from ?????????.

lets drop this now and get on with our lives,if anyone wants to talk like adults then email him...if not then dont

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Originally Posted by newfett

i know frank-n-son-part2,ive seen your original emails and the insulting ones you sent

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Well newfett, you have implied that you know F-N-S2. If you know him well enough to find out what was in the emails between him and SJY then you're probably able to find out where his originals from.

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Originally Posted by newfett

and by the way his wife doesnt suffer from downs syndrome.

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And I've not yet found a reference towards F-N-S2's wife having Down syndrome.. where and who said this?

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Originally Posted by newfett

his email from when he recieved them is about 2 months ago, he asked for money back last week.
his email dscribed them as smashed up ( story changed on the forum)

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Now to prove this point you would have to show us that e-mail, but since you've already said that you can't then why state this?

Ruff has put forward a question, one that you seem to be trying to avoid answering. You've jumped to F-N-S2's defence, and have said that he has been in the room with you while looking at this forum. Why can't you answer this simple question?

As I got a couple of days ago (8th june) an email from F-N-S regarding my posting, I now want to put it in here, including my answer, to clearify the reasons for it and avoid possible misunderstandings for all TDHers.

I also want to make it positivly clear that he wrote to me in a friendly and not insulting way, as you will read, so we hopefully can discuss it in an adult manner.

Hi htere

to clearify the points you mentioned and the reasons for my posting:

>>From CBG in Germany:" bought my Jangos from him to when he was still
>> selling
>> under the name of "frank-n-son" only (i wouldn't be suprised that it >>was
>> shut down due to the many negative responses from buyers, so his know
>> since a
>> couple of month as frank-n-son 2 (what ingenious creativity!)). Had the
>> same
>> problem with the shape and no accuracy at all. I took me a whole week
>> (doing not
>> much else) to bring them to the state that thea are in now.
>>
>> Also I get to know his sloppy attitude to customers, as he should have
>> included not only a sabredart but a grabbing hook too (which was >>missing of
>> course) it took me 5!! months of emails and waiting to finally get that
>> furter
>> piece of **** (the wings are just a gag. It looks more like a Flash
>> Gordon
>> Rocket!).
>>
>> I also noticed his blocking thread. After a fellow german ordered also >>a
>> pair of Jango's and they were even worse than mine, he tried to get >>back his
>> money for that **** (which he didn't get as you may guess). Shortly >>after
>> that,
>> he added a general note to his auctions that no german bidders were
>> accepted!!! I'm wondring how that guy can still find anyone to buy from
>> him?! But I
>> guess it's mostly noobs like I was then who fall into his pit."
>
>
> the fellow german you mention was offered a full refund but decided to
> keep
> them.

If it was like you say, I would have officially apologized for this statement, but I just asked him about that, and he still claims, he never got an answer to his request, especially not an offer for a complete refund. As I know him enough, that I see no reason, why he should accuse you falsly, I stick to my statement.
Are you certain we mean the same german?

> as for the dart, i thought i made it clear we didnt make that type
> but
> would make you one for free,

I was under the impression, that the sabre dart I requested first was the type of dart which you usually don't make, which was the reason I never complained about that. I mean the mainbody was a simply needlelike thing with three plastic wings attached to it, which even didn't have all the same size! (which is really something you would notice even without a lot of referance pics and usually don't send to a customer as a regular seller!), but I thought that was the prototype, so i didn't complaint.
If you state now the grabbing hook was the unusual dart, it woulnd't change anything as than the sabredart would have been low-grade.

> why didnt you reply and tell us what you
> thought,so that we could improve it, we have now improved them with help
> from other
> fellow ebayers and will be making them shortly.

That's a great point!
At first:
I didn't complaint about the sloppy done gautnlets and the misfitting shape originaly, because at the time I bought them, I was unaware of what kind of available gauntlets were around. So knowing it not better, I just assumed, that your quality was the standard of what you can get. Now I know it better, that the standards are much higher, even for those nearly at the same pricerange.
Second:
I did send you a lot of referance pictures (some even with marking the faults) to you, because I really wanted to help make the gauntlets better, but now after I realized through all the comments of other recent buyers that your stuff has the same quality as before without obviously any improvement, that's the reason, why I got angry afterwards and posted the way I did.

I mean, you are a regular seller of those stuff to earn money, as such, you simply have a responsibility to the customers, to research about the parts you will sell, before you produce them.
Sure there will be always small flaws, which you overlocked but will be corrected during the producing progress, but your gauntlets have so many obvious big flaws, which you could have avoided easily, even by simply checking on some common pictures (like the ones in the illustrated enzyklopädie which you can get for just a couple of bucks vie ebay). As for example the wings of the grabbing hook. It looks to me that you never bothered to look at any pic of it, otherwise you would have noticed that they have a completly different shape as you made it (and surely weren't made of such a thin foil-like easy-to-bend (and break) material).
As well as the non-fitting shape of the two halfs of a gauntlet.
Of course you may state that you can squeeze them into place and of course it will not break completly (but mine for example got little cracks from that on the round end parts). But for a regular product (even for your prize), they simply have to fit without to squeeze them at all!
But obviously from the pictures of other just recently delieverd sets, you didn't change a bit and I'm sure, although I didn't complaint about it, some others had, so you would know about it.
If you were just a guy who built those pair of gauntlets once for himself and sold it later, I wouldn't loose a word, but from a regular seller I simply expect more than that.

Of course it can be happen, that some parts didn't turn out during the producing as they should be, but as a regular seller, you have to scrap those parts and make new ones and not simply send them to the buyers anyway! That's sloppy and reckless, and that's what made me angry afterwards as I read all those posts (and surely not all of them can be liars and conmen as your friend new_fett stated!). I didn't say much about mine, because you stated they were the Jango prototypes, but know I realized, it had not much to do if they are prototypes or not as the usual ones aren't better.

> im not sending this email as a way of getting at you as i liked you and
> you
> were very fair with us waiting for a long time but the facts about your
> fellow
> german are incorrect and again unfair.
> you never complained about the gauntlets, you took them in and said
> nothing
> except about wanting the grabbing hook.

As stated above, I did said something (not that I don't want them, but that they have flaws) and send you material for improving the flaws.

> i do hope we can communicate about this, if i dont hear from you soon then
> i
> will understand you want nothing to do with it.
> thank you

I hope, that made clear why I wrote the post. I'm the last one who want to tread someone unfair and although I admit that I should have used a more moderate formulation in some parts of my posting, in the end, I wrote nothing that was incorrect and how I experienced it.

Thank you
with kind regards
Arno

PS: To clear misunderstandings about my posting for others as well, I will also post this letter in the forum.

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I got one for you NewFett, ask F-N-S2 where he got his original gauntlets from.

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Oh really?

message from fns2.

gorman: the downs syndrome issue you refer to is between myself and pacaa ( sjy)

im not avoiding any questions, i do not use this forum myself and therefore do not wish to get into any arguments with any members about anything.
i can see that some poeple who have bought from me have had problems ( may i also point out a lot have not)

i will be sorting out any problems between myself and my customers outside this forum.
i have instructed newfett that if he is to carry on using this forum then he does so with no reference to me, if i wish to say anything i will join myself and say it.
i do apologise to anyone not involved but feel that the forum has become ( for a better word) a battleground and it will cease immediatly.
thank you

So if you know where he got the originals then why not say it? It does sound like you are avoiding the subject by not wanting to post about this anymore.

and unless there's a problem with typing in England, there are some basic errors in yours and FNS' typing that are very similar to each other!

Such as not placing captials at the beginning of paragraphs and sentences and some mis-placement of letters within the words. Constantly, not just once or twice!

Now I'm using the reply that Wasp posted for this comparison. Could other people check out this and tell me is I'm wrong or not?

Ouch. Slammed in open forum by a friend.

Frankly, I am not a "go to guy" for anyone, I just say you can get some stuff here (insert prop maker name here), and maybe for less. They are nice folks and they make fan-made stuff IN LOW QUANTITY...not factory manufactured stuff to TK-what's-his-number's specs from Malaysia or Manilla. Hmmm...ambiguous am I, but you all know who/what I speak of.

Out of courtesy, Cal, I sent you money out of my own pocket to keep my name untarnished. I guess I look like a D-bag anyway.

Oh well...I am glad I have taken some time to get away and get some perspective. Returning today helps even more.

Sometimes folks on TDH are just sooooooooooooooo particular. Frankly, it is only realized once you get out of the "I am so obsessed with the molecular accuracy thing" about Boba...sheesh! I really could not force my self to buy 20 different cans of spray paint or hire a car painter to apply micro-mist bursts of Claret to my printer output masking templates for my MSH-BS Bucket Factor X.2!!!!!!

Clones Rock! :cheers and squeeze the Shee-Ha-Ha-Foo-Fa-Fah out of it!... BECAUSE we all break one day!

John

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Originally Posted by cal196

You better be right when making such glaring observations. I to had my run in with Frank-and-son LEt me just say I dont have them anymore. He isnt completly lieing I know first hand that what I recieved wasnt what was pictured. I wasnt going to say anything because I know Bigaboy to be there go to guy.


BTW you cannot squeeze anything. IT will break.

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Frank-n-son (cough!) I mean New Fett, first off Your gauntlets did not fit well at all. And all this rambling on sounds very bi-polar! But I WILL back you as far as I made your kit with alittle creativity and they came out GREAT, however your packaging was poor and I did have to re-make some of the parts because they were damaged due to the fact. I hope you continue with improving your quality and service then I know your customers will be alot happier with your product!

THANK YOU :)

Lots of slamming in open forum and no mods are present...odd. I bet this string would be soooo moderated if everyone was slamming SFP or Anton.

Another thing look at this funny picture of a "Reservoir Penguin"!!!...
http://www.whitecommando.com/tdh/love.jpg

I guess with the mods its a case of " who you know, who you dont know".
:fettpre :albino

A very closed circle community, if you dont know em' slam em'

English boba....did you buy your armor from vader fett or vice versa.
Either way it looks the same and so does the build of the person wearing it.
Maybe im wrong but do you have 2 identities on the TDH.
Both in southend.

I suppose I'm asking for trouble, but I'll throw my hat into the fire...

I've noticed those gauntlets on eBay, and I considered buying them too. But though I've only started building my Fett, I've been researching for nearly 5 years, building a knowledge base on prop makers/sellers prices, quality, and reliability. FNS's products looked enticing for their low price, but small unclear pictures led me to question the craftsmanship. I'll also point out that though they're usually offerred as a B-I-N sale, at about 3 sets at a time, the exact same photo is used each time. This cannot by any means be "what is pictured is sold"

Regardless, since I've not dealt with FNS, I cannot make any claims to character or product. However, like anything, some people will be happy, some will not. With eBay, you take risks - something that everyone should well know in advance.

To note: the best quality sellers have their own websites, clearly detailing their work, and are very communicative to their clintele.

Though I will not name any, I am familiar with several tried and true makers of gauntlets. I have seen their work, and have corresponded personally. These are the people that I purchase from. Anything else is a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't.

Let me also remind everyone that we do this hobby because we like it. No one needs to measure up to anyone else's standard but their own. Your own Fett costume needs only to please yourself. Whatever budget or accuracy level that you are shooting for is really up to you.

The final point however is this: Ruffkin's question has still been left unanswered. NewFett does seem to privy to a lot of information on this matter. If you do not know the origin of these gauntlets, couldn't you just ask FNS?

Just some things to consider.

Shinobi :skull

I debated making another post in this thread after having said I was done with it, but now that others are starting to slam each other, I feel I need to say something.

When I first started this thread, I did not intend to cause infighting among members. I started the thread to state my case, explain what had happened to me, and to warn others that they should be cautious when dealing with FNS2.

I don't recall calling anyone names or attacking anyone's character... only the products and service, stating that the gauntlets were worthless to me and the seller gave me attitude.

Then, "NewFett" shows up and calls me a liar and conman. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, granted, but how does "conman" fit into this? If I were to return the gauntlets, how would I benefit from the experience? By definition, the term "conman" insinuates that someone comes out ahead. Had FNS2 replied to any of my e-mails and said something like "hey, sorry you don't like the product. I can't refund the shipping cost nor pay for the return shipping cost, but I can refund you the cost of the auction only," I would have been fine with that. But as I got no reply, I got angry.

I have asked a Mod to come in and take a look at this thread, and to especially pay attention to the members "New Fett" and "Darth Nut." I assume Darth Nut is FNS2? He seems to have the same posting style (make a post, realize he forgot something, then post again immediately) and writing style as New Fett (except now he's capitalizing the beginning of his sentences, probably due to Gorman's point in an earlier post.) A mod should be able to check the IP addresses of both New Fett & Darth Nut and see if they're from the same computer.

If the Mod makes the thread goes away, great. I think enough information has passed among members so that they may make up their own minds regarding the situation. And a side note to FNS2: Leave me alone, already! I said my piece and don't want to deal with you any more! You have my money and I have worthless gauntlets that don't fit together. You win. You don't need to continue sending e-mails to me through eBay and any other means you can find. It's pretty obvious who's sending them, what with the subjects being "Lying Conman!" I am deleting the e-mails and have blocked you from IMs.

PS: You never did tell the others where you got your original gauntlets from. I don't think that one was ever resolved and I do believe there is a board policy against recasting...

- joe

You know the trouble I had with Him John, You did everything you could to keep the peace, and This is in no way your fault, IT just seemed like He was throwing it off on you. and it wasnt even your responsibility.

I sugar coated the story really, agian its nothing you did but IF you remember back 8 months ago, maybe you will remember some things said by them that didnt come to pass, and I forgot about it and went on.

I hadent seen you in awhile, so dont think its a cheap shot. I know it seems that way because you and FNS keep in touch, but you can email Him yourself there is no hard feelings between him and me that I know of.

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Ouch. Slammed in open forum by a friend.

Frankly, I am not a "go to guy" for anyone, I just say you can get some stuff here (insert prop maker name here), and maybe for less. They are nice folks and they make fan-made stuff IN LOW QUANTITY...not factory manufactured stuff to TK-what's-his-number's specs from Malaysia or Manilla. Hmmm...ambiguous am I, but you all know who/what I speak of.

Out of courtesy, Cal, I sent you money out of my own pocket to keep my name untarnished. I guess I look like a D-bag anyway.

Oh well...I am glad I have taken some time to get away and get some perspective. Returning today helps even more.

Sometimes folks on TDH are just sooooooooooooooo particular. Frankly, it is only realized once you get out of the "I am so obsessed with the molecular accuracy thing" about Boba...sheesh! I really could not force my self to buy 20 different cans of spray paint or hire a car painter to apply micro-mist bursts of Claret to my printer output masking templates for my MSH-BS Bucket Factor X.2!!!!!!

Clones Rock! :cheers and squeeze the Shee-Ha-Ha-Foo-Fa-Fah out of it!... BECAUSE we all break one day!

John

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I agree that I think it would be best for this thread to be removed. What began as an expression of bad experience has escalated into a slagging match.

Unfortunately eBay does carry a certain number of risks, and although I don't like to admit it, it is something we have to live with. I sympathise with anyone who has become a victim of poor representation on eBay, but urge people to remember that there are many reputable sellers out there with untarnshed records who are respectable members of this forum.

In terms of members of this forum, all members of this forum have a responsibility to be courteous and respectful towards each other. It is clear that seasoned members are well aware of this and follow this value without thought or question. I feel that in recent months there have been many who have sought to cash in on this community, and have entered merely to antagonise and abuse what this forum is meant for.

I may not have been here for as long as some people, but I feel I uphold the morals that are attached with being a member, I encourage other newer members to do so also.

Thank you

Dan

Eloquently stated Mandalore. We all come here to help each other, and to spread around the knowledge and resources from hard work, and trial and error findings. Are we not all working towards a common goal? A little civility goes a long way.

Shinobi :skull

Hey Cal. What's up? Hey everybody...everyone should relax.

One thing. Last I remember, Boba Fett gauntlets belong to George Lucas.

That being said...recasting finger pointing here is just like when all the helmet makers were at war a couple of months ago. And frankly, I bet (not for sure, but I have a hunch) most or all of the BF/JF helmets sold on this board by the top 3 or 4 helmet makers... are recasts...or originated from a mold made from a recast fan-made helmet or a Don Post deluxe. No offence helmet makers. Just stating it for perspective.

Same for gauntlets...all gauntlets. I bet they are very incestuous and/or mysterious in their origins. Big deal.

Take it easy guys.

J

sjy you would be correct,as for not slamming my character dont you remember what you said about my wife in replying to my email asking why had you posted extra feedback,my email had no insults or bad attitude in.
thats when you blasted into me with insults.
then you blocked my emails meaning nothing could be sorted out anyway. i had to find a way to communicate with you ( i retaliated to his insults, not the best thing to do but.....)and i did but then i saw this thread and decided to sit back and watch.
newfett is a freind who i showed the email to and that particalr part ( you know what im talking about) really itched him so he joined the forum.

the gauntlet plugs i use were made from wood and body filler after a freind bought some gauntlets which were **** and so i started making my own.

sjy,if you want to talk to me ( unblock my emails) then lets do so privatly and get this sorted, if not then dont.

i will now go back to reading posts in the forum and not posting unless i have to.

sjy, i take it now ive studied your thread more closley that you are playing people into thinking im sending loads of emails trying to wind you,you said

"You don't need to continue sending e-mails to me through eBay and any other means you can find. It's pretty obvious who's sending them, what with the subjects being "Lying Conman!" I am deleting the e-mails and have blocked you from IMs"

i suggest you contact ebay and report this to them as they will be able to trace this emailer and either warn them or remove them from ebay..

i will say this though.....its not me ,i sent 1 email in retaliation to the 1 you sent, unless of course this is fiction about the emails,however contact ebay as they will be able to trace any messages sent through them.

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Hey Cal. What's up? Hey everybody...everyone should relax.

One thing. Last I remember, Boba Fett gauntlets belong to George Lucas.

That being said...recasting finger pointing here is just like when all the helmet makers were at war a couple of months ago. And frankly, I bet (not for sure, but I have a hunch) most or all of the BF/JF helmets sold on this board by the top 3 or 4 helmet makers... are recasts...or originated from a mold made from a recast fan-made helmet or a Don Post deluxe. No offence helmet makers. Just stating it for perspective.

Same for gauntlets...all gauntlets. I bet they are very incestuous and/or mysterious in their origins. Big deal.

Take it easy guys.

J

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Not exactly true, there have been a few great helmets that were sculpted from scratch.
As for gauntlets, I know how mine were made. I sculpted them out of clay over casts of my arms. No usage of any pre-made gauntlets.

Darth nut, what do your gauntlets look like? or are you F-N-S?

sjy
i just checked ebay. if sending messages to members it gives auto headers.
things like general question, or question about postage.or just contacting members the header says( auto header) question from ebay member.
so how can they be headed...lying conman.
i will check ebay.com to see if that allows for users own headers.
can anyone enlighten me..am i missing somthing.

ruffkin: do you refer to the original glassfibre, vacu formed or the new gauntlet plugs im making right now or the cast gauntlets?
which are new scratch built which address the issues brought up here and some other issues like making them slightly bigger for bigger people.
solid glassfibre that should fit together perfectly, i will found out if my measurements are correct after the weekend.so email me to remind me and ill send a pic.

Well if you are Frank-n-sons from ebay then I mean the ones being sold on ebay. Is that you?

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Well if you are Frank-n-sons from ebay then I mean the ones being sold on ebay. Is that you?

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yes but which ones...the solid glassfibre ( old ones) then we started making vac formed glass fibre reinforced, now we are going straight to all glassfibre.

just curious though, are you wanting to know so that you can join the slamming or wanting to know out of idle curiosity.

I refer to the one you sent via eBay (which, yes, did not have anything but "Message From eBay Member" as the header,) then the ones to my AOL personal address, then the ones to my AOL professional address...

This is what really gets me about you, FNS - you play very innocent and make mis-translated comments about things I and others have said in an effort to make yourself look like the victim.

And please re-read this thread. Not once did I make a disparaging comment about your wife, merely that you kept blaming situations on her (the tracking, the non-replies.)

And I will not un-block you. I have already tried to work this out with you like an adult and, as you failed to respond until I left the negative feedback and then only with insults, I don't see why I should even bother. Go ahead and try to twist my words against me, I have stated my case, I have told the truth, and I am not going to continue this arguement - not in a public forum or otherwise.

- Joe

Well, I haven't seen pictures of the vacuformed ones yet, I have seen the fiberglass ones and would like to know about the origins of them?
Also are your vacuformed ones just copies of the fiberglass ones?

I'm not into slamming, I have never purchased your gauntlets as i have no need to. I was just curious of the origins. Thats why I asked new fett about it and then he stopped talking.

fine ...dont bother, again i sent 1 email, you can have the emails traced by your service provider or like i said through ebay if thats how i sent them.
i have only 1 email address for you , i dont know if that private or work but clearly your the one trying to twist it, as for what you said about my wife, what cant you remember?
i sent an email saying
hi there
i just noticed the follow up you put on the feedback,i notice you failed to mention that you said you would keep and repaint them.

you then sent an email back...what ,cant you remember what you said.
then you blocked me and i sent 1 email back in retalitaion through your website. now your imagination is running wild but there is an easy way to prove what you say.....contact ebay and your service provider at home and work and get them to find who ( if anyone) is actually sending you emails....easy way to sort this isnt it.

hi there ruffkin

basicaly my gauntlets plugs were made from wood and body filler, i took measurements from a set of gauntlets my freind bought and made casts for glassfibering, then i got introduced to a freinds vacformer so my dad made one, we then made some solid resin plugs for the former, i was going to sell them as vacformed only but my dad wanted strengh so we glassfibred them, ive never had problems putting the bottom halves in but i also teach jujitsu and didnt take into acount that maybe i have strong fingers, so now i took the old moulds and have rebuilt them from scratch and added some more size to them, i cant show the new ones yet as they are not done.

i would like to add though that thanks to this forum opening my eyes on this thread ive been able to correct the bottom shell problem.
i will send pics of the new ones when finished.

So are you saying they are scratch built or you made casts of the ones your friend bought?

sorry i wasnt very clear lol
i took measurements from my freinds then made scratch built using the measurements and made moulds for glassfibering,ive just also finished pred gauntlets moulds but im thinking of restarting as i want to make them fiberglass not vac formed and i think they could have the same bottom half problem.

True, there are a few great helmets...and there are several that are recasts. I was just generalizing. And I am not saying you are a recaster...but as a prop maker, you are an infringer of LFL intellectual property (I am too, so don't get mad at me) See my prototype...

http://www.whitecommando.com/necksea...erSideShot.jpg

Step right up and get some Clone Commander Pistols, only $299.99 a pair, made of highest quality resin, sold in pairs with Vac-formed ABS holsters...la la la. I bet we see version of this down the road. If so, I will be flattered...AND ANGRY!

...Also Ruffkin, I have seen your gauntlets in person. They look very nice, but feel a little thin. C*E*N*O*B*Y*T*E had some at C3 and he has a cool way to reinforce (PM me - or him - if you want the info).

It is odd that no moderators have said hi.

I know if I get riled up in forum and say something baseless (that I can't fully corroborate), yet opinionated, like... "SFP is Anton, the kiddie-porn guy that ripped off a bunch of people"...then I get slammed by the mods.

Bring the pain. I have been missing you.

John

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Not exactly true, there have been a few great helmets that were sculpted from scratch.
As for gauntlets, I know how mine were made. I sculpted them out of clay over casts of my arms. No usage of any pre-made gauntlets.

Darth nut, what do your gauntlets look like? or are you F-N-S?

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Bigaboyfett, you basically called all gauntlets recasts.

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Same for gauntlets...all gauntlets. I bet they are very incestuous and/or mysterious in their origins. Big deal.

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I know it's LFL intellectual property and never said it wasn't but thats not what is being discussed here.
As to the reinforcing, I do offer FG reinforcing if people want it. I don't feel it's necessary as mine have held up well for over 2 years. But thanks for the offer.


darth nut, if your gauntlets were scratch built and you made the molds then why are your details not sharper? Now if you would have said that you cast a set a vacuformed ones I would have believed it. I do believe they are recasts of mine, if they are not I will apologize here openly. I would like to compare your's to mine as I sculpted certain things into them that weren't exacty accurate on purpose.

I will post Pictures of mine on this thread and ask you to do the same. Will you do this?

Just offering tips...I heard your styrene melts if the customers don't apply the paint just the right way, and they are very fragile...that is all.

Maybe LFL should decide who has made better copies of George's ideas...or even better, a moderator could perhaps just put this pie away...that would be simpler.

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Just offering tips...I heard your styrene melts if the customers don't apply the paint just the right way, and they are very fragile...that is all.

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This is the first I have ever heard this, I don't know how styrene would melt if you didn't apply paint the right way. I really don't understand this. As far as being fragile how so? I have only had one person let me know of a problem with a shell ripping.

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Maybe LFL should decide who has made better copies of George's ideas...or even better, a moderator could perhaps just put this pie away...that would be simpler.

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I'm also not understanding this comment, who besides you is saying anything about LFL here or who makes the best parts. I am not saying mine are better than F-N-S, I was saying they look very, very similar to mine and I would like to compare mine to his to see if the are recasts. That's it, like I said if they are not cast from mine I will apologize.

You also seem anxious for the Mods to lock this thread down, I am curious as to why since it really doesn't have anything to do with you.

ruffkin: you said you werent into slamming and now your calling me a recaster. i already told you on this thread what i made. again if your saying that the ones i took measurements off were yours then again i wont repeat myself or say anything bad about you but read my other post.

sjy why have you not come back and defended yourself, do you also forget about the OTHER EMAIL ADDRESS YOU GOT FROM YAHOO in which you sent me emails under another name, clearly you have twisted this thread into a " lets all feel sorry for sjy" , have you contacted your service provider yet and ebay , or is it all imagination, how about i just show the emails you sent me under your own name and the yahoo address, maybe i should have done that from the start but i thought i would give you a chance to sort this the proper way, instead you carried on with your little fantasy, so think carefully about your next post, i offered you a chance to end it and you just carried it further.
let me make no mistake on this, this whole argument is not about the quality of what i sold to him its purely about the insults and "untruths".

Ok people lets all grow up a bit! All we have acheived here is arguing, back-stabbing, snipping and bickering. Lets all step back from what has become a flame war (he said this, you said that, your a recaster, such and such is unreliable) it's childish, immature and not worthy of TDH. Like Mandalore697 and others I to call for the Mods to lock this thread, and infact I will PM them requesting they do just that.
You either like FNS2's products or you don't, you either buy them or you don't. You may, like me and others, buy from him (or others sellers on eBay) and then at a later date find somebody else that can provide the items you want in a better quality (although you may end up paying more). That's how it goes. I can't (and wouldn't) comment on emails sent back and foreth, he said, she said, solves nothing. It took a while for my purchases from FNS2 to arrive but I never had anything but pleseant emails from him (infact he put up with a fair few emails from me asking him questions about this or that). Yes his guantlets aren't the best out there and his armour lacks some of the detail that a screen accurate set has(sometimes TDH gets WAAAAAY to hung up on accuracey!). But at the time I found them affordable, and until I upgrade (which we all do eventually) I still use them (after a bit of work).

What ever your feelings on this matter, good or bad, this is not the place for attacks on other people. If you have a problem with another member of TDH, someone on eBay or anybody else keep it off the boards. Solve it (or not) via email, letter or in person.
We should all be ashamed of ourselves, ALL of us.

thank you, i also agree and would like to say its nice to hear from you again.
could you email me with problems you found as im just finishing the new moulds and would like your input.

as for the passing of info...i may just clear this up myself and completly pull out of the dented helmet for this one reason...anyone can post anything..true or false.
im not arguing that he may not have liked them, its the situation and the claims hes making on how it was dealt with but most of all....the insult to my wife which in my veiw was very low, i also have personnal reasons for taking offence at what he said,i was more than willing at the beggining to sort this out, well now hes added more to it, claiming ive been harrassing him with emails, he brought it to the board and even people who have never dealt with me are slamming, i just felt it was my opnion that if he could bring this to the board( which was also a threat in his emails) then i would have to answer it on the board.
i apologise to all dented helmet members who feel this should not be allowed, as for the mods maybe they want to see sjy prove what hes saying or me proven wrong......youve got to admit though, this thread is better than watching neighbours on tv lol. :albino

I second what the user OrtharRirth above said.. time to lock this thread before anyones pride is hurt for real...


and what people must realise is that in a conflict BOTH sides are RIGHT!! >:

It all depends on the point of view..

Well, several mistings are required. If the first coating is applied and a spot becomes wet...it melts. I know of one person who had a set and they melted entirely from paint, and another that had a spot melt. If you like, I can PM you so it is not in open forum about the set I saw and the complaints about the fragility.

Your curiosity about my involvement makes you sound defensive. I have entered strings where I see gang ups, or TDHers getting ripped off. Remember the notorious "SFP jumpsuit run" pie? I said that a person could have an option (plan B) if they were finding themselves without a suit for Halloween 2004...especially since they probably bought gauntlets from you, a MLC jet pack, a mystery helmet (I heard those are recasts), aluminum darts (maybe from me) and the othet $1,000 worth of stuff...and then they have no jumpsuit. I got slammed by the people on the list...then they, inversely slammed the guy who started the list since they had no suit for Halloween...then a 2nd list happened before C3, and I said people need a plan B for this... and several of the suits arrived in the wrong size and were lavender. Moderators were smacking me down for my blunt observations. I keep it real.

I find it odd that they are washing their hands of this. I have received PMs from friends saying a mod was in this string for 30 minutes and did not step in...oh well.

There is just a lot of slamming in here. It makes us look a lot less like fans...but more like egotistical jerks and greedy. Ruffkin, nothing personal...it is more of TDH general thing.

Oh well. After newbie-dom...obsession.

John

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This is the first I have ever heard this, I don't know how styrene would melt if you didn't apply paint the right way. I really don't understand this. As far as being fragile how so? I have only had one person let me know of a problem with a shell ripping.



I'm also not understanding this comment, who besides you is saying anything about LFL here or who makes the best parts. I am not saying mine are better than F-N-S, I was saying they look very, very similar to mine and I would like to compare mine to his to see if the are recasts. That's it, like I said if they are not cast from mine I will apologize.

You also seem anxious for the Mods to lock this thread down, I am curious as to why since it really doesn't have anything to do with you.

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since the mods havnt closed this listing and sjy hasnt yet replied i would like to clear up another issue brought up by wasp
he said

Jep, bought my Jango's from him to when he was still selling under the name of "frank-n-son" only (i wouldn't be suprised that it was shut down due to the many negative responses from buyers, so his know since a couple of month as frank-n-son 2 (what ingenious creativity!)).

i would like to point out to everyone that frank-n-son and frank-n-son-part2
are both legitimate sellers on ebay and both are trading happily still on ebay,if in dought feel free to visit ebay and see that neither have changed their names,also check feedback if you want,i used the name frank-n-son-part2 because that way it could easily be asscociated with frank-n-son to which we have nothing to hide.i originally started selling through a freinds ebay as i wasnt on the net at the time,i will not mention his name until i have contacted him and got permission from him but you will again see that there is nothing to hide.

i have contacted wasp and had a freindly conversation with him and he cleared up any points he felt needed explaining and posted them earlier on this thread so i have cleared this last one up.

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Lots of slamming in open forum and no mods are present...odd. I bet this string would be soooo moderated if everyone was slamming SFP or Anton.

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Yes there is lots of slamming in open forum, including you slamming the moderators multiple times in this very thread. How about doing what someone else did today and bringing this thread to the attention of the mods? I do not visit the Boba forums and so I was not watching this. And sometimes we actually may not see things, or may not be around when things are happening. We do have lives outside of TDH that sometimes need our attention. Your comments are disrespectul and violate the COC " Respect must be extended to each and every member, the administrative staff included." I have warned you on many occasions about the comments that you make and thinking before you speak. Let's hope that a week of vacation makes you think a little more before saying something on open forum. And I think I have more than proven that slamming anyone is not acceptable on TDH.

As for everyone else. If I am not mistaken, a similar thread like this was started in the Sarlacc pit where y'all wanted to make a list of good sellers and I informed you that that was not a good idea and was going to cause problems. Well as you can see, that is exactly what has happened. I am locking this thread and expect no further discussion of this matter on open forum. Either keep it confined to pm's or take it up with ebay.

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darth nut has also received a warning about his comments that were disprepectful to the moderators.