Accurate Gauntlet Darts - Interest?

aw, man... i think you had me with the threads at the tip!

Originally Posted by stormtrooperguy

aw, man... i think you had me with the threads at the tip!

Can I put you down as a 'possible' Brian?

Sling me on that list bro!!! I'm in.

What the hell! Count me for 1 set of darts! I will get the cash

Are they ready yet?? LOL!

Originally Posted by Skupilkinson

Are they ready yet?? LOL!

Now don't be silly bruv.. don't make me come round there!

Gotta have a laugh haven't ya.

yeah, i'm in. heh... i've got my most recent russrep set still unused. maybe i'll get these before i even need that set!

I'd love to see some super close up side by side shots from multiple angles.
As long as you can't tell them apart, I'd be interested as well.

Almost every time I see people do runs of machined parts taken from a real part, I can still tell them apart somehow.


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What do you think about his last project, Gino?

Those look pretty good from what I can see in that pic.
But that's not the kind of photo I'm talking about.
I mean true side by side orthographic shots, (front, side, top, etc...) of the replica right next to the real piece.

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Originally Posted by Gino

I'd love to see some super close up side by side shots from multiple angles.
As long as you can't tell them apart, I'd be interested as well.

Almost every time I see people do runs of machined parts taken from a real part, I can still tell them apart somehow.


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Thats a fair comment Gino...
I have ensured that the thread (an old English thread form) is being used and the correct tools bought. I will take some pics - I dunno about "super close up side by side shots from multiple angles" as my camera skills suck...

Originally Posted by Gino

Those look pretty good from what I can see in that pic.
But that's not the kind of photo I'm talking about.
I mean true side by side orthographic shots, (front, side, top, etc...) of the replica right next to the real piece.

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That pic is with repica next to the real piece??

Amesome Mojo!
I love it when people go to great lengths to get things just right. It ALWAYS pays off.

I look forward to seeing your pics. Regardless of your camera, just do the best you can.

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Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

That pic is with repica next to the real piece??

Yes, but they are at an angle.
I'd like to see shots straight on from the front, side, top, etc.. like how you would view a blueprint. That's the best way to comparisons between two pieces.

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I'll see what I can do...

You know I am in for a set. I can't wait to see them.

*sigh*
blah blah blah Mojo doe sgood work blah blah blah

you know the drill boys and girls.
count me in MJ

Nate

I am interested

Gino, I can't promise anything but you won't be disapointed. You, better than anyone, know that to get a 100% accurate thing to the real one is impossible, with CNC plausible, but won't be disapointed

Mojo, what's an old English thread?

Originally Posted by Heatshock

*sigh*
blah blah blah Mojo doe sgood work blah blah blah

you know the drill boys and girls.
count me in MJ

Nate

you crack me up!

Originally Posted by KaanE

Mojo, what's an old English thread?

Basically it's a non metric thread - BA (created in 1884) to be precise and not commonly used these days.

Wow These are going to be... the best after the real one, maybe the same?

Originally Posted by KaanE

Wow These are going to be... the best after the real one, maybe the same?

I hope so bruv.. I took allot of time re-creating the CAD files and working with the Machinist?
I expect the prototype this Monday, so hope to have some good news for everyone!

Gav, I do need the full set btw

Originally Posted by Bobby Fett UK

Gav, I do need the full set btw

huh? What have you done...

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

Thats a fair comment Gino...
I dunno about "super close up side by side shots from multiple angles" as my camera skills suck...

taking pics of those darts is no easy task lol

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

taking pics of those darts is no easy task lol

I know you know...
Yours, as previous chats bro!!

Gav, count me in bro.

I'm really excited, I can't wait to see 'the most accurate' reproduction of a real Michell

BFUK, why 4 now? What happened to your real one? You want to save it for display, hum?

Colour me interested, Gav

Originally Posted by Flettch

Colour me interested, Gav

Got ya...

This is my actual status waiting the teaser pic:

I have a new Homer pic ready for the teaser pic

You been out in the sun again bro....

Small update:
Just had an email from my machinist and they have finished the protptype! so I'll have a good measure up when I get home and post some pics.

Looking forward to seeing it Gav!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Skupilkinson

Looking forward to seeing it Gav!!!!!!

Your not the only one bruv!! *sits looking at the clock*

The time won't pass any quicker bro.

What hour do you finish working?

2 sets please.

Originally Posted by KaanE

What hour do you finish working?

It's 15:45 here and don't finish till 17:00 then an hour to get home...

Originally Posted by SEEKER

2 sets please.

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

It's 15:45 here and don't finish till 17:00 then an hour to get home...

Ok so at 7:00 PM aprox. (Spain) I can read the news 1 hour before you... j/k

Seeker, what are you going to do with the 2nd set, hum?

Kaane, I don't think you're excited enough mate. How about you show some more entheusiasm?!!

Seriously though, lookin forward to seeing them bro.

Sorry, double post. :0

There is no love for us

Ok..
Picked it up this evening and I'm really happy altho I have 2 small concerns to address before I do a run.
1. As a machinist he has put a small 0.25mm chamfer at either end of the main body (which wasn't on my CAD drawing)
2. The O/D of the thread is 0.2mm smaller than the original.

I have measured the length / diameter etc... and they are spot on other than the above issues.
I'm gonna get him to correct these and check again

A couple of pics...

Cool.
Is there any way you can take some larger close up pics of the pointed end side by side with the real one?

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I can't find the correct word, I'm going to create a new word for the final version so keep up the quality

I can try...
The only other thing I noticed and forgot to say in previous post was that the original has 'flat' peaks on the thread form and the prototype is pointed... therefore he's gone in slightly too far (0.2mm) and compensated in the O/D hence being 0.2mm smaller...

Woah!!! Nice work my friend!!! Very nice!

Originally Posted by KaanE

I can't find the correct word, I'm going to create a new word for the final version so keep up the quality

Cheers for the vote!
Don't worry I'm gonna get these tweeked and have a final design very soon...

One funny(?) question. The replica dart fits on your replica stabilizer? Would be funny to take some pics of a replica sweeparm I just need your replica knee dart (and the wirst dart, of course).

I have some knee darts...
The gaunt dart in the assembly pic is of the replica...

Interested my friend, cant wait

Should have next prototype tomorrow guys...

Cool.
Looking forward to seeing it.

If you can, try to take a pic similar to this one, at approximately this size so we can clearly see the tips.

I would make sure the camera focus is centered over the end tips as opposed to the entire part. That way it will be looking more straight down at the part we want to see rather than at an angle like in the following pic.




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Not asking for much are you?? LOL!

No not really.
Just one good pic as described so that we can make a solid comparison.

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True enough, but I'm sure Gav is capable without the direction. No offence.

Believe me, I am very much hoping that is the case.
I want to see these turn out as perfect as possible.


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Originally Posted by Gino

No not really.
Just one good pic as described so that we can make a solid comparison.

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I second that. I have perfect faith in Gav's ability but I agree with Gino that a good comparison of these tiny buggers is in order.
Afterall, I bought a set of Russ' new gauntlet darts without such comparisons and now here I am wanting a set of Gav's...

That's fair enough to have the high expectations, all I'm saying is I don't think there's a need to jump in and tell him how to take a comparison shot! Just wait until the revised darts are ready and for Gav to post the new pics. If the angle is off slightly then ask if he can take another.

Be patient and have faith.

Oh quit being so sensitive/defensive.
It's better to ask before hand than after the fact.
We are all on the same team with the same goal, making sure these are perfect.

BTW, if you read earlier posts, I did ask for specific shots and the ones he took weren't very helpful for comparing. I hoped that this time being more specific about what we need to see would be helpful to him, and us.

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Defensive? When was I defensive? LOL!

Whatever Gino.

Gino is usually too critic, but trust me, that's good for all of us

ok.. ok... Can we stop the bickering please guys?

Skip - Cheers buddy, got my back and I know what you mean.
Gino - If I take some 'close' up shots and it's still not clear then I can count on you to ask for another.

Back on topic please? I *fingers crossed* will pick the new one today and new pics taken!

True, critisism is good when constructive, but that wasn't what I was referring to. Nevermind.

Sorry for the slight hijack gav, looking forward to seeing the MkII prototypes.

Ok..
Have 2nd prototype from machinist...
I've had the angle tweaked and the thread looks really good to me?

I've been waiting for something like that 23.5 years and now it's done



I love it

... cheers Kaane, lets see what others think as the green button needs pushing on these...

Looks groovy Gav!!!! Spot on to me bro!

Hey Gav.

I think that looks a LOT better.

Here are the things that I'm seeing and want you to take a look at.
It looks like just a couple of the lengths could just be adjusted slightly and then I think you are there.
What do you guys think?




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Looking great so far! the left one is the original, yes? Also, what is the material of the original, stainless?

Will pop into the machine shop before work and see what we can do to those areas... looks about 0.3mm off the length between main shoulder and start of chamfer... and lose about 0.2 of the tip...
We'll get there!

i think gino has it nailed there... other than those couple of minor measurements i'd say they look spot on.

Rock on Mojo!

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Originally Posted by Shinobi_Fett

Looking great so far! the left one is the original, yes? Also, what is the material of the original, stainless?

The one one the right is the original part.
I have one original and from what I can tell it is chrome plated.
I don't know what material is underneath the plating though.

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I agree with Gino's assessment although I am not convinced the plating is chrome as my originals have rusted a bit... I kinda thought stainless as well, but who knows. I am not a metal expert.

When it comes to metal stuff, I know some but not a lot either.
I can definitely tell it's not aluminum.
It has a chrome look. That is why I think it was plated.
Now can stainless look just like chrome? If so then that's most likely what it is.

Wait, can stainless steel even rust?
Maybe the 'rust' we see on our originals isn't really rust but something else that has marred the finish.

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It does kind of look like stainless steel. It depends on the quality of the stainless steel but they may have used a version with more iron in it which could result in some rust on the surface. Just a thought.

Popped into the machine shop this morning and highlighted the minor issues with the machinst? should have seen his face?

- I should get an email later today to say that he's done it! if he has then I'll post some pics up later ok guys...

Good on ya Gav. looking forward to seeing the MkIII darts.

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

Popped into the machine shop this morning and highlighted the minor issues with the machinst? should have seen his face?

- I should get an email later today to say that he's done it! if he has then I'll post some pics up later ok guys...

I know that look all too well.
It just means you are doing something right.

The aluminium used for the Stabilizers has a chrome look on it. Mojo used the same aluminium used on helicopter pieces. I think it looks spot on

Here's a pic. I'm sorry because pic is a bit little and it has some thumbprints on it... I need to use gloves, I know, I know...

Mojo can say what he thinks the real one is?

The finish of the machining kinda gave it that appearance.. plus if you 'wash' ali in hot soapy water it can almost make it look chrome...

But I think the found part is stainless... mainly due to the colouration on the machined surfaces.

Bud, you must go with a camera, and say to the machinist "It's not really good" and then take a pic. This way we will know how he looks

Ok small update...

I dunno whats going on with the guy but just had an email from him and he refuses to do another prototype!
But will commence the run Monday next week and I can view the the first one off the run (with the mods) but will not do another prototype...
So I'm gonna front this and see what I get.

So, no more prototypes are going to be done but the final ones will have the mods?

Yeah pretty much... I'm deliberating whether to carry on...
He won't make me another prototype due to the machine being in 'down' time and the costs of resetting the programe etc, (His words). I expect down time is loss of earnings and in this climate money is money.
For the price of the 2 darts so far I could buy 3 more sweeparms!
But what he did say was that he would still do my run and 'with' the final tweaks that have been highlighted over the last 24hrs...

So, whther or not to carry on with the run and HOPE he gets it right this time or cut and run incase it doesn't come out right?

It's a tough call Gav, though I think he sounds a little unreasonable?? You're still a paying customer who needs the order to be spot on right?

i can sympathize to an extend, but really... in the world of machined parts, 0.3mm is a significant amount! that could spell disaster if it was a component in a precision instrument.

that being said, i'll take them with the last couple of mods on faith. they certainly look closer than anything that has been done to date, and i'd say that with those last adjustments they are just about perfect.