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Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

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    Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    On the fence with this whole flare issue? Here is a photo SS found on the web taken by a non-member here. Shows how focal length can ruin even a real deal helmet. The stalk even appears bent. This is a great example that if you go to prove your case on something to make darn sure the photo was shot at a focal length lens setting at 50mm (natural eye setting) if it wasn't there will be distortions no matter how minute. Just thought I would toss this in for some Friday fun stuff. Thanks SS for shooting me the pic too.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Man! That is freaky!

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    Wow! How can be made that? Thank you for the info! I never knew that about the 50mm focal lenght. Thank you Rogue!


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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    See? The Rubies helmets ARE accurate!

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    tk7602 said: View Post
    See? The Rubies helmets ARE accurate!
    Ha, ha, I thought the same thing.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    WOAH!!!!! If you hadn't said something, I would really have doubted that its a real helmet!!!!!
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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    I've been meaning to post on this subject for awhile, so I am glad Lee took the initiative. Many years ago, I would have told you the ESB had more "flare" than all the other helmets. I was wrong.

    "Flare" is a lie; Don't believe it. The size of the actor, the padding/suspension inside the helmet, angle of the photo, and position of the helmet in relation to the actors neck are what causes all the helmets to change its "flare."

    Attached is the ESB helmet compared to the PP2 helmet. Shape-wise, they are the same. There is no extra flare on the ESB. We are just used to seeing the Prepro 2 helmet placed farther down on the actor's head.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Tyler Durden said: View Post
    I've been meaning to post on this subject for awhile, so I am glad Lee took the initiative. Many years ago, I would have told you the ESB had more "flare" than all the other helmets. I was wrong.

    "Flare" is a lie; Don't believe it. The size of the actor, the padding/suspension inside the helmet, angle of the photo, and position of the helmet in relation to the actors neck are what causes all the helmets to change its "flare."

    Attached is the ESB helmet compared to the PP2 helmet. Shape-wise, they are the same. There is no extra flare on the ESB. We are just used to seeing the Prepro 2 helmet placed farther down on the actor's head.

    pp2-esb-small-jpg
    you know what else is a lie? the cake is a lie. i've actually been curious about the "flare." what part of the helmet flares? the bottom? cheeks? i'm not really sure where to flare.

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    lol, yes, that is the reference I was going for.

    Actually, it doesn't flare anywhere. What's been mistakenly done is the widening of the sides of the helmet to "match" publicity photos, usually by pushing the front and back in.

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    Well a good indicator is the RF stalk. It was designed to be lined up straight vertically. It's mounted to the side of the helmet and if there was any change in flare you see it indicated by the stalk tilting to the inside I would presume. I really see no indication of this or indications they made changes so it would line up straight if it did flare out. Just a personal observation.

    Lee

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    I've often wondered about that "flare" myself. Having spent a great deal of time examing Vader's helmet in various images - movie stills, production shots, etc - I can contibute my opinion that various factors can contribute to what appears to be size/shape differences that don't actually exist. In some photos the flange on Vader's lid appears to be drawn back and shortened, while in others it looks like it's scooping forward and down toward the shoulders - sometimes between two images that should appear the same, but differ because of camera angles, distance, or whatever.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    About focal length:

    I'm a serious amature/semi professional photographer and also used to sell cameras for a living. So I'd like to shed some more light on this subject for what it's worth.

    For anyone who doesn't know, focal length is the distance from the front element (the end of the lens) to the focal plain (the film or CCD/CMOS sensor)

    50mm focal distance is "normal"/ what your eye sees on 35mm film cameras and digital cameras with a 35mm sized CCD/CMOS sensor. The "normal" focal length of digital cameras is different depending on the sensor, most digital camera sensors are smaller than 35mm meaning that the "normal" focal length is going to be less than 50mm. There is no standard sensor size so you'll need to check the instruction manual to know what is "normal" for your camera.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    I always assumed there was a slight flare and the verticality of the ears was corrected by the tapered areas where the ears mount. These areas definitely taper outwards from bottom to top, but only at the front, as the helmet sides curve round, the flare is lost. If there wasn't a slight flare, surely this would mean the ears are over vertical?

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    "Doesn't it bother you that you have to get up in the morning and you have to put on a bunch of pieces of flair?"

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    Bunches of flares? O.K. Wes, you're going to have to explain that one to me??

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    The ear is in two halves on the RF side and one thing to consider to is if one is move out further the other has to as well or they will pinch in the middle.

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Delta75 said: View Post
    "Doesn't it bother you that you have to get up in the morning and you have to put on a bunch of pieces of flair?"
    Gotta be the best movie ever. I swear I work there. We even have the Bobs....well with different names

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Its not Anchorman is it?

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    did someone say "Flair"? WOOOOOOOOO!

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    terminal fettler said: View Post
    Its not Anchorman is it?
    LOL, nope
    Office Space

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Ahh, i should get out more, well to the talkies anyway...So you were implying i should get out more?

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    Just don't take my stapler!!
    Delta75 said: View Post
    "Doesn't it bother you that you have to get up in the morning and you have to put on a bunch of pieces of flair?"

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    That's it!! I'm watching that film...tonight...

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    totally right about the rubies lid!!! cant wait to get my mystery helm....

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    Re: Trusting photos will ruin your helmet.

    acutally, the quote i was going to add to that...i found to be a little to risque and possibly demeaning to some members.....


    so....

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