BTW one day God will return, aliens will land on earth and pigs will fly, one day right lol just kidding Mr.
Instead of duck hunting we could go flying pig hunting, that would be the ****.
PP2 or die trying!!!
I think it was a found part, turned down on the lathe, and the holes deburred.
The chamfer around the holes is clearly uneven, as if cleaned out by hand after machining.
There has to be some kind of Borden piece that has 3 holes that are sized differently.
Otherwise, why would they sell gaskets that match the holes?
I saw them on eBay this time
I'd seen them in the past, but disregarded them since they aren't metal
You can search eBay for words like "Borden ,gasket, autoclave "
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Saw this on ebay: 2 3 Hole Handpiece to 4 Hole Tubing Adapter for High and Low Speed Handpieces | eBay
If it was cut, the holes would be in the correct position. Not sure about dimensions etc. What do you think? Worth a look?
Yeah today these gaskets go between the dental handpiece end and the connector. I'll have a better explanation tomorrow, sorry I did a fare amount or research with pics and all but forgot it at work those gaskets are a modern day creation and again I'll have more information soon
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Last edited by Syper; Apr 4, 2014 at 9:41 AM.
To make this:
I'm saying that the holes themselves were roughly cleaned up, and the results are chamfers that are uneven around the holes (most noticeable around the large hole).
Dental Handpiece with light blue gasket on the end over the metal tubs.
Dental Adapter (if needed, most often to convert say a 3 hole connection to a 4 hole hose)
Dental Connector (most often these connections are on the hose or line. I believe the dental connector was used on the helmets
Dental hose / older handpiece units included a hose with connectors on both ends
I wasn't saying the gasket is what was used.
I'm saying the gaskets have different sized holes for a reason- because the correspond to the 3 different sized prongs on the equipment.
which would lead me to the conclusion that the "found part" has 3 different sized holes.
For that very same reason I opted to cut the back half that you’re talking about with a hacksaw while mounted to a bench top vise.
Ok got it, adding chamfers - no big deal correct. I have done this easily by hand with a drill bit myself, Yes. Here's the part that you may not be aware of, that photo showing what looks to be a three hole, with correct hole locations and correct sized holes was an inverted or mirrored image to show what it would look like if that same connector was cut then flipped around. I too thought that might be a possibility year ago, I hoped it could be
Last edited by Syper; Apr 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM.
Here again you are correct in your basic understanding of these items but a very important detail is not being factored in and this is not any fault of your own. there is a three pronged dental handpiece. There is also a three hole gasket , a three hole adaptor and even a three hole connector but the holes are not in the correct locations and most of those connectors have the wrong sized holes.
Getting to the bottem of this issue will be the result of a combined effort on all of our parts but please keep In mind that the low hanging fruit has been picked years ago but that being said it’s great to have fresh eyes on this hunt
yeah, I wasn't around back in the discovery days so maybe my child-like innocence will help LOL
so, "we" don't believe the piece was cut on a lathe and flipped when they glued it in?
well there are some folks who are in what i am calling camp 3 "Those who believe the part was machined (created from stock)" who feel that way.
Camp 1, people who believe this dental piece was an unaltered known part, easy to place / install on the helmet. what was easiest to do for the builders
Camp 2, people who believe more likely that the builders altered a known part, nothing to complicated vise down, drill one hole - done.
Camp 3, Those who believe the part was machined (created from stock). too hard time consuming, imo
This is an awesome discussion
im im not sure what camp I'm in but I'd tend to agree with the one point of why would they drill a third hole in it on such a tiny part...why not leave it with 2 holes. Although the third hole can be added with ease as syper showed us, the question to me is why? Why bother...you can't even see it on screen that well, if at all .
other than that, I think everyone has some valid thoughts....love these discussions!
While I'm no expert concerning found parts, slave1pilot mentioned to me that when he did a run a while back he found some that had the correct sized holes. He also mentioned that he was able to turn them on a lathe as well.
My opinion is that they are a found part with the three holes, but like I mentioned, I am no expert.
Lol I'm with you Mr I'm not an expert on any subject matter trust me.
I would implore anyone who thinks they can just put a dental connector in a lathe and tuned it to please give it a shot for yourself.
JC27, your first pick as I'm sure you now understand, is a three hole connector but the small hole is on the wrong side. This could be fixed but mounting those small connectors on evan a mini lathe would be dangerous and not worth it. I have tried both methods with the later being a hacksaw and hands down mounting the connector on a vise then cutting the back half off is way more convenant. After the cut you could use a grinder to even out your cut then a file to smooth it out a bit, flip it over and use a metallic paint to finish it.
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I have a thought... The three-prong "male" end of the fitting, from the handpiece. Might they have cut the back end off that -- the bit behind the collar, maybe intending to use the pronged base as a plant-on greeblie for something, and had that straight cylindrical remnant left over... and then sawed 1/16" slices off that (and flipped those) to glue onto the cheek? I don't know if they would have done just one on the initial sculpt, and then it was a cast detail in the ones we know, or glued individual slices on all six helmets after they were cast, taking some care to position them the same. Maybe there was a feature that was part of the initial sculpt that they ended up not liking and opted to cover it up with this infernally frustrating bit.
The thing I notice is that we have some nice close-up pictures o the inside of the right cheek of the Pre-Pro 2 specifically, from when it was being molded by/for Don Post. Yeah, there's tape covering that area, holding the visor in place, but there's no bump that would be the inside of the connector if it had any depth to it.
I need to check, but that three-prong cluster looks familiar, and I'm now going to be scouring the first couple movies looking for where that might have been used...
That's a lot of searching and research for the part. I just drilled a couple holes in some metal stock I had.
For many of us, the hunt for the found parts is just as, if not more, exciting and rewarding as the overall costume itself.
That's true. There is that sort of "high" you get when you find something you are looking for. Thing is, I didn't know there was a part out there like that.