Superjedi's GMH--Pre-Pro 2

Its for sure white in the pics but, logically it wouldnt have been white, as a artist it doesnt make sense. If Im painting something thats supposed to be metal Im not going to "damage" the helmet and make the damage white....its just not logical. It would be silver damage...just like the dent is silver any other damage would be silver NOT white.

I dont agree with this statment at all,, and Sandy didnt paint the whole thing gray then silver then gray then coloursshe painted bits silver bits gray in the imafes of the helmets on the tables the domes are silver and grey , whats to say she didnt add some friscuit be for these colors,
As an artist I personally think it makes total sense , thats the way I did myine that Ive been painting any way
also I dont really think there is any topical damage on the PP2 unlike the ROTJ at all its all layers , then mists over them

You also need to consider Sandy wasnt painting these to match any thing the way she worked on them were as much an experiment for her as they were a paint job she was making it up as she went along
 
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My logic says the followings: looking at the PP2 images all the physicaly damaged areas are silver and there's no white, so I don't think that the original helmet was scraped down to the white gelcoat in the keyhole area (on the PP2 stencils I did white scratches at the physical damage just to highlight the damage). As if a painter who do a painting would intentionally leave unpainted areas to see the canvas...
 
Do what you think is right, theres no real way to figure it out besides your best guess. I'll do what makes sense to me and you can do the same, neither will be wrong...but realistically if your trying to portray a real metal helmet chips will not be white.
 
Super,

While I agree with most of what has been said here concerning the 'white-weathering' coming after the fact... What continues to bug me is that it can be seen in the lower key-slots as well as the key slot box edges. I can imagine the box damage coming from storage... But the keys slots themselves?? That seems like a difficult spot to get accidentally scraped... Doesn't it?

Perhaps someone with a little more knowledge of the casting that was done on this helmet could chime in and tell us if the casting process used back then would be consistent with the damage inside the slots?
 
Super,

While I agree with most of what has been said here concerning the 'white-weathering' coming after the fact... What continues to bug me is that it can be seen in the lower key-slots as well as the key slot box edges. I can imagine the box damage coming from storage... But the keys slots themselves?? That seems like a difficult spot to get accidentally scraped... Doesn't it?

Perhaps someone with a little more knowledge of the casting that was done on this helmet could chime in and tell us if the casting process used back then would be consistent with the damage inside the slots?

They removed the MQ-1 board, so they touched the keyslots.
 
KaanE,

No doubt. That bucket as seen a few hands on it. but it's going to take more than that to strip the layers off.

I'm not being argumentative here... just playing devils advocate. I'm guessing all the white spots were 'after the fact' damage... just trying to present other possibilities for discussion.
 
I agree that it doesn't seem logical that you would get that kind of topical damage in a concave area like the key slots. But the pictures do seem to show those scratches as white. Logical or not, my goal is to recreate the paint work as closely as possible.
Great discussion!
 
super,

no doubt... and I'm guessing your recreation will be second-to-none...

But, this discussion does raise the question... are you trying to recreate the paint work as it is? or as it was?
 
As with all of these paintups, I think it comes down to whether you want it to look how it looks now, how it looked when it was first made, or how it would look if it was "real"

If I'm wearing something out with the 501st, I want it to look "real" -- so there would be no scratches down to white, since the theory is that the helmet is silver / metal to begin with.

If I want it for display it would be one of the other options. I haven't ever been a fan of helmets that recreate obvious post-production damage like blue sharpies or poorly fixed cracks.

In this case though, for the white showing through, I'm torn... when I do mine I suspect I'll leave that silver, but I think in your pics it's showing white gelcoat.
 
I guess its down to if your a costumer or a replica collector , seems the costumers want it to look real and those who are only in to replication want to make it look as the actual piece is,
Neither are wrong or right just different points of view,
But for SuperJedis who is out to replicate the original, then mask out the white first , simple
I personally am doing a replica of it as it is now cut marks and all and for my manaquin that I,m making look as it was in the original photo shoots Im making another helmet look like it was then , with the interior workings and all
 
Trouble with the pre-pros is there's very scant reference compared to the screen-used buckets.
With so little evidence of how it looked fresh out of the painting area all those years ago, we have to rely on the photos.
Here's something I've noticed in a couple of the reference pics.
This first shot is a promo shot. Notice the areas where I have made comments.


prepro-closecomments.jpg


Here's a similar angle of the helmet "X" amount of time later. Look at those same two areas.

PP2Helmet01comments.jpg


Unfortunately, there just aren't enough photos of the helmet during its promo heyday to make the same kinds of observations. Frustrating indeed!

Anyway, not much time during the week to work on the helmet. I did some tests with various shades of gray to try to pick the best combo for the key slot area.
 
Now that you showed that pic...At C5 they had a Fett Picture bundle...and the cover is of the PP2...and theres the same no chip and broken patern...
 
And also the yellow crayon is gone in the later pics
and the scrape down from the dent drip over the second kill strip isnt there in the early pics
 
Right, that's what I mean. There are some obvious differences, but they're all "frontish" shots of the helmet.
There are good shots of the back, but not the promo kinds of photos that would show as many variances in the details.
 
Well the evtra paint damage probly came when they were removing the mold like we know thats how the cut marks got there so it makes sense some of the paint may have chipped of when they had to pry the mold from it
 
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