"It\'s not easy being green"* Colors are now here ****

I think that about sums it up:).

Anyway I'm working on a post and I'll explain paint/colors I'm also going to come outright with the green and I want to ask a favor from everyone and that is after getting the paint and putting it on a helmet please suspend your disbelief I don't think I'll be able to handle the barrage of emails telling me if it's right or it's wrong if you don't like it by all means do not use it but the source I used to obtain the maker of the paint which led me to the color is a very good one and I'm 99% percent sure the green is correct(I'll never say 100% since most of the costume guys forgot what color was used LOL.)

Hopefully the color release will help change peoples mind to thinking outside the box again and not be swayed by opinions of others which I feel has stagnated the whole cause. Most of my friends will testify that I have had to do some convincing to make them think this color is right and some aren't 99% percent convinced yet which is ok with me. One funny comment made about the color came from Tyler D and he said it looked too dark I told him to add some white to it haha.

The pepto helmet color is a futile search and you'll never find that color and the green out of the bottle doesn't even look remotely correct but after you start applying scratches and dings and the other colors it does some freakishly weird stuff and goes pepto on it's own.

Although being accused of trying to make a profit off of this whole thing that is just utter bunk. I am all for helping the RPF but if anyone wants to berade me like on my helmet post or throw a tantrum please just IM me I can take it but cursing me out and judging my character just because I chose to wait is nuts. I forgive and forget but I must admit I got several appologies from the board members for a persons conduct but that indivudual never said anyhting back and I appreciate the rest of you for being so patient and supportive. Well the info will be here today for everyone to share for free I hope we can all work together to make some great helmets and costumes because this is just the begining.

Lee

Thanks Lee. I must admit I was a little sceptical about your reasoning for not giving us the colors at first either but the more I thought about it the more it made sense and I guess it just kinda made us realize even though everyone on the board is buddies sometimes other things prevent us from sharing information with each other. Cant wait for the green revelation. Keep up the good work Lee.

Here’s where the whole thing started if you want to know the color just scroll past my rant it’s at the bottom.

I was approached by Chris King and Nathan Duncan to see if I could paint some helmets for them. Well after doing the X-wings for them I thought no problem (Now that statement said I didn’t realize what I was in for). I was involved in original movie props very heavily and through a few contacts I received a phone call from individual who is now EFX supervisor in the industry they worked on a particular film and I had the 6 foot long model from that film and this individual wanted to purchase my model. Well we got to talking about the films he’s worked on and one of the first was Empire. Now my interest is peaked we talked about X-wings and the Executor and many other things but we got on the subject of paint since I was scratch building a studio scale Millennium Falcon and his name is on the Empire model I thought he could help.

The first thing out of his mouth was if you ever paint anything from ILM or major EFX shop movie use Floquil paints that is what they used and "If you mix paint to get to the right color it's probably the wrong color no matter how good you mix it". Floquils are railroad paints that are made in enamel colors.

So I now know where to look even though it was a costume and not a model he told me to look at those paints. I started looking and found out one problem Floquil is basically going out of business and is no longer producing paint under that name. Although you can easily buy remaining supplies of the paint they haven’t made a military line of colors for years so more research. Testors bought Floquil who also bought a company called Polly S or Polly Scale paints.

I found a few colors and sent the swatches to Nathan and Chris is to verify at the AOSW and the rest is history.

Polly S makes all of Floquils paints now but in acrylics even the color names are the same. Testors is producing the colors mostly military in enamels under the model master label.

The base green is a color called “Panzer Olive Green” any variation in Testors or Polly S will do I think Testors calls theirs “Panzer Olive Green 1943”.

That’s it have fun and let me know what happens to your helmets over the weekend. The Silver I used is also Floquil and the Gray is a color called “Euro 1 Gray” I’m still researching so I hesitate to say if this is factual but 99% percent sure that is correct(I don’t believe we can ever be 100% sure on paint color so that is my insurance policy that I could be wrong).

The mandible colors are still out too but since everyone knows where to look for colors now that may help I did not use Floquil for that color but when I have confirmation I’ll post it. This looks easy but it took me about a month or working the colors and 4 months researching other areas of the costume and helmet. I must say this has led me into making a Fett costume now and researching other protions of the suit. Can't wait for you guys/gals to see the next couple of things.

Please let me know what you folks think.

Thanks!

Lee M.

Almost forgot the cheeks are the SAME color as rest of the helmet.

****Hobbystores beware you are about to be raided LOL*****

WOOOOOHHHHOOOO!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing this Lee!

Nathan :)

Thanks Lee! I know what I'm doing this weekend!

sweet! I've been using model masters paints to do all my stuff anyway, I was just off on the color selection. guess I get to start all over again now.

Doug

WoooHooo. Thanks Lee. Any info at all on "The red that is not a red". Whether it's "the one" or not is largely irrelevant. It's still a great colour. either way.

The red is not red you're right. Even though the pics show it to be very vibrant it's not that at all it's very "Rusty looking" ;). Just hesitant to say until I know 99% postive and the inside cheek is close but it needs to be darker but that could be due to weathering still checking that too.

Lee

WOOOOHOOOOOOo this rounds on me :cheers thx C17LM!!!!!!

Well i guess ill say it too......*cough*....woo hoo...!

Lee, great news. Testor's Model Master Series is an excellent product. And it's available in spray cans too!

:)

(at least it wasn't something like Martha Stewart's Sage Green)


:lol

What is funny to me but how many of us have gone out and bought that weird green color from home depot( I know I tried it once).

Lee

THAAAAAAAAANKS for sharing this info I will be heading to the
hobbie shop that I know they carry just about every frigging
thing.

Hey please post pics so we can all see how they come out. Let me know if I can help out.

Lee

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One funny comment made about the color came from Tyler D and he said it looked too dark I told him to add some white to it haha.

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Yeap, I sure was skeptical. But as any of us who have taken a flash photograph know, the flash dramatically lightens the color of everything in the frame. And there are no "daylight" photos of the ESB helmet that I know of. So all we have are exhibit photos ( flash city because it's indoors) and film stills (color filter and artificial lighting city). That being said, there are couple of photos that show a darker hue to the helmet than we are accustomed to seeing, as TDH member Keith, who has seen the helmet in person, astutely pointed out. However, the Panzer Green also possess the "pepto" hue we are all so accustomed to seeing in the exhibit photos and film stills.

Check the Visual Dictionary photos or Blue Prints photos from this website to get an idea of the darker green look:
http://www.bobafettfanclub.com/multi...ce/index.shtml

I do think this color could be 99% accurate to the real deal. It's been verified by two of the pickiest guys that side of the Atlantic, who were at the exhibit next to the helmet to verify the color. Is there a possibility it could be wrong? Sure. But I think it is a very convincing color. And if you don't like it, you could always add a little white. :lol

Very cool news! Thanks for all the effort you put into this, Lee. I think shortly we'll see a Renaissance in helmet painting around here...

This might be dumb, but where are these commonly available? particularly the sprays?

Thanks!
Phil

Thank you for all your hard work, Lee! You came through just like you said. :cheers

Phil, you should be able to get them at most good hobby shops. Especially the ones who cater to WWII models.

The nearest one to me is 60 miles away!!

Journemanprotector. Of the colors listed only the Euro dark gray is in a can of course the silver is sufficient from just about anywhere as there are no metal flakes.

Any hobby stores that sells Testors paints or trains will have the color or the Polly scale paints you are looking for are very common(Polly Scale has a little Parrot on the label). I hate to say this but if you don't own an airbrush it's going to be diffcult since most of these colors are designed for airbrush use.

Lee, Testors ModelMaster series doesn't have the green in spray can form??

Aw rats!


And then there was yet another reason to purchase an airbrush...

:)

aw nuts. I could have sworn I read that they were available in sprays. I just can't see buying an airbrush just for the helmet :(

PM sent ;)

Phil

JMP,

I buy the model masters paints at a local hobby shop in a brush on friendly paint. It's what I've used to do just about my whole suit. I used the european med green on the armor and euro. dark green on the back of the helmet with a dark olive drab on the cheeks but I'm pretty sure that's not quiet right. It doesn't look right to me anyway and I want to redo it yet again.

Doug

Almost forgot word of warning...These are the ESB colors I'm going to take some time to work the ROTJ stuff too and if anyone finds anything good from the paint info towards the the ROTJ let please let us know.

Lee

If you guys cant find the paints at the stores or what not, heres the next best thing. http://www.testors.com/catalog_item.asp?itemNbr=334 also LEE how much do you recommend we should get, since they come in such a small bottle???? BTW, i found some testors paints at Toys R Us, so try checking them out if you cant find any or just order them off of the web site.

You do helmet with one bottle but I would grab at least two. Also it was pointed out to me an error I made. In Testors it's "Panzer olive Grun 1943" Grun is Green in German. And Polly S is still Green.

Lee

what did u use to paint ur helmets?

I Used the enamels for durability.

Hey recheck the colors I had to make a few changes since folks are doing searches I posted this from work today so I just put them up as I remebered them I have the technical names Testors uses as well as polly scale. Sorry about that I'm just jumping between this and helping the RPF out on X-wings.

Lee

Thanks Lee, i've been out with the GF all day and have kinda looked forward to seein this when I got home. It was well worth the wait. Hobbystores here I come.

Lee, Thanks for the color info. I ran out and looked for them locally but couldn't find them. I was out of town yesterday and stopped at a hobby store and found them! Can't wait to get the new helmet to test them. Hey What primer color/type did you use?
Thanks again

Depending on your method. If you are using a masking method and painting silver on first use black as a primer and then silver on top really makes the silver stand out.

If you are using topical use white primer. Any off the shelf brand will do. If it scratches no big deal since white is seen all over the place on the helmet since there was mistreatment some scratches are white since it scratched through to the base of the white vacuform plastic of the original.

Also I have been using a Rust primer right out of the can for the mandibles and this color is tough to call and I would suggest using caution as it being the dead on same color however it's very close and from comaprisons at AOSW it's definitely not Ruddy Brown (no offense to those who have used this color though) Ruddy has to be worked too much to get it right it was suggested to me to use rust so I did and the effect was pretty good but as always I'm still researching.

Hope this helps.

Lee

Can you get it in a sray can or do you have to airbrush it on?

I was wondering if you compared Floquil Classic RailRoad enamel "Depot Olive B-110044" to your military panzer olive green? I was wondering how close it was if you did?
Thanks

So, to make sure I have this right...The olive green is for the cheeks and dome, the rust is probably the color for the mandibles, the Euro gray is for the parts between the cheeks and the mandibles, but what is the color for theback of the helmet?

All of that is right except the euro gray is used for the scratches. The inside cheek color is calle weatherd black from Floquil/Polly S..It's a bit lighter than what I think it should be but the weathering darkened it. The back...Don't know yet a dark green/blue...somebody mentioned a dark green earlier on one post and I thought it was a good call.

Lee

**I was wondering if you compared Floquil Classic RailRoad enamel "Depot Olive B-110044" to your military panzer olive green? I was wondering how close it was if you did?
Thanks


Yes and Depot Olive does not appear to be correct. I have bought around $250 of paint in those little bottles and I racked my brain on this one and I'm confident of the green used.

I cant believe I overlooked this. Cool. Thanks for the color info. Another thing to add to the pile since I cant paint till Spring anyways.

Thanks Lee!

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**I was wondering if you compared Floquil Classic RailRoad enamel "Depot Olive B-110044" to your military panzer olive green? I was wondering how close it was if you did?
Thanks


Yes and Depot Olive does not appear to be correct. I have bought around $250 of paint in those little bottles and I racked my brain on this one and I'm confident of the green used.

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Thanks for the info! Keep up the good work!

Man, You must spend so much time replying to us guys. You must never sleep.

Make sure you take time out to spend with your family. You know, those other humans you occasionally see around your house. :)

Very excited about the prospect of a :fettrotj colour scheme. Can't wait that long, so I'll hack mine together now, then re-paint when the proper colours come out.

Don't feel you have to reply to this, Lee, give your family a kiss instead.

But after that don't even breath until you've cracked the :fettrotj colours. (kidding!)

Si

Thanks for all of the support I appreciate it. Part of the reason for waiting on the colors to be exposed was I was hoping I could get definitive proof on the other colors but I deceided it was time to let it out so everyone wouldn't think I was palying a game or soemthing at least we can be relatively sure the green is cracked. I'm a pretty focused person and when I start something I like to get it right no compromises and I do my best to make time for the family LOL.

Lee

Lee,

Have you gotten as far as the ear pieces yet? I'm looking at my pics on the ref CD and the green on the left ear looks different than the dome. It seems to be darker and w/o any "pepto". In my spray can collection, the spruce green looks pretty close to the ear color. The local hobby shop didn't have the weathered black. I've found it online, but what about Testor's "gunmetal"? Any thoughts? Thanks again for all your hard work on this!

Ryan

For my earpieces, my rangefinder side was Model Master Panzer Dunkelgelb 1943. It's VERY close to the MOM ref pics. I darkened it with the dry graphite lube rubbed into it.

My other earpiece was a custom mix of Testors Olive Drab and Tan, which made it also match the ref pics I've seen.

I've not heard of "pepto". What are you guys referring to?

The "Pepto is a metaphor for how the main helmet appears to be a very light milky green in photos.

I found the Panzer Olive Green in Floquil today! I bought some and I'll let everyone know how it goes.

I haven't started painting yet (I'm still fixing my MSH#1), but I've started collecting all the paint, and trying to nail down the ones I don't know. I thought I'd share where I'm at:

1. <LI> Panzer Olivegrun 1943-Testors-Dome /Cheeks
   <LI> Red Primer-Rustoleum-Visor /Keyholes
   <LI> Weathered Black-Floquil-Underside Cheeks
   <LI> Euro Gray-Testors-Gray Scratches
   <LI> Bright Silver-Floquil-Silver Scratches
   <LI> Dullcoat-Testors-Finish
   <LI> ?Equipment Yellow-Wal Mart-Stripes
   <LI> ?Pumpkin Orange-Krylon-Back Stripes
   <LI> ?Imperial Japanese Navy Green-Testors-Back of Helmet
   <LI> ?Panzer Dunkelgelb 1943-Testors-Right Ear /Back Scratches
   <LI> ?Gunmetal-Testors-Weathering Underside Cheeks
   <LI> ?Undecided Purple-?-Visor Scratches
   <LI> ?Spruce Green-Rustoleum-Left Earpiece
   <LI> ?Undecided Red-?-Left Earpiece

I'm fairly certain on those with the "?" but I'm looking for some input /confirmation from all you others on the hunt. I'll have to make a trip out to the hobby store to get some more ideas on those purple /red colors.

[edit] I made a trip to the hobby store to try and find a good purple for the visor weathering. All the TESTORS purples were either too blue or had metal flake/ pearl in them. FLOQUIL has nothing purple. TAMAYA makes a lavender in a can that looks close, but I don't think it's right either. Any ideas?

I've not been here for a while and look what i've missed!!

Before i went to the AOSW exhibit to see the ESB Fett helmet in person, i spent a lot of time worrying about getting the base green right. But like i said, that was before i went to see the helmet in person.
In person, the green was so obviously just ww2 military vehicle green to me and i felt a lot more confident about getting the green right on my replica helmet.

One thing that does concern me a little though is that these army green modelers paints look quite dark on a model or something small, but they can look way to light when painted over a large area that receives more light falling on it like a life size helmet.
I can tell you that the ESB Fett helmet base green is quite dark.
The pics that tylerdurden has posted of the Fett helmet are very good none flash reference pics.

Anyway, i will go and have a look at this panzer green.

Keith.

EDIT: I've just had a look at the helmet painted in the panzer green and i think it looks spot on! Well done Lee!
I always thought that the green would just be readily available ww2 green colour, i just didn't know which one lol.

Keith.

Here is a cleaned up version of an image that TylerDurden posted in another thread.

It's possibly the only photo of the ESB helmet in daylight.

http://steveday.org/BBimages/ESB-AOS...0REFERENCE.jpg

I had to do a lot of cleaning up to remove the grain and compression artefacts, then set the white balance based on the wall in the background.

I figured it would be useful for reference.

Steve
:fettesb

Any update on the "red/rust" or back of the helmet? Any thing on the armor? PM me if you want.
Thanks

Still working the mandible color just to make sure what I am using is right but haven't found a hit yet. The back is still out to...will start on armor as soon as I complete one of the two helmets I ahve been working on...going to take a small break then for some research time.

Lee

Are these colors for the Boba Fett ROTJ paint scheme, or could be used for ESB version? Of course, I'm looking for the ROTJ colors, but I'm planning to customize my helmet in a 50/50 color/design mixed between ESB and ROTJ just for originality and custom painted.

Robert :fettrotj

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I haven't started painting yet (I'm still fixing my MSH#1), but I've started collecting all the paint, and trying to nail down the ones I don't know. I thought I'd share where I'm at:

1. <LI> Panzer Olivegrun 1943-Testors-Dome /Cheeks
   <LI> Red Primer-Rustoleum-Visor /Keyholes
   <LI> Weathered Black-Floquil-Underside Cheeks
   <LI> Euro Gray-Testors-Gray Scratches
   <LI> Bright Silver-Floquil-Silver Scratches
   <LI> Dullcoat-Testors-Finish
   <LI> ?Equipment Yellow-Wal Mart-Stripes
   <LI> ?Pumpkin Orange-Krylon-Back Stripes
   <LI> ?Imperial Japanese Navy Green-Testors-Back of Helmet
   <LI> ?Panzer Dunkelgelb 1943-Testors-Right Ear /Back Scratches
   <LI> ?Gunmetal-Testors-Weathering Underside Cheeks
   <LI> ?Undecided Purple-?-Visor Scratches
   <LI> ?Spruce Green-Rustoleum-Left Earpiece
   <LI> ?Undecided Red-?-Left Earpiece

I'm fairly certain on those with the "?" but I'm looking for some input /confirmation from all you others on the hunt. I'll have to make a trip out to the hobby store to get some more ideas on those purple /red colors.

[edit] I made a trip to the hobby store to try and find a good purple for the visor weathering. All the TESTORS purples were either too blue or had metal flake/ pearl in them. FLOQUIL has nothing purple. TAMAYA makes a lavender in a can that looks close, but I don't think it's right either. Any ideas?

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I've found that for the mandibles, instead of ruddy brown primer, use a Floquil paint called TUSCAN. That's what I bought and it looks DEAD ON when its weathered.

Webchief...can you find that color at Walmart?

Robert :fettrotj

That is the list of ESB paints I'm compiling before I paint my helmet ESB. For a great ROTJ paint scheme, you need to check out this one http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...c=2675&forum=2

I can't find any links to pics of Lynn's bucket, but they look great and are off the self colors.

BTW-Floquil can't be found at Wal-Mart. You'd need to go to a hobby store, and get an air-brush :doh

Ryan

Slight correction man... I didn't use an airbrush and the paintjob ROCKS! I used those foam brushes and there aren't any stripes or streaks. If you take your time, they work great.

Well, I have no problem about the airbrush :D...but one thing is for sure, and I have 2 problems...

1. <LI> I don't have a compresor, which I'm planning to buy in the next few weeks,
   <LI> Any hobby shop is at least an hour and a half away (and that's the closest: Hobby Lobby),
   <LI> My schedule time at work is really bad to plan for a trip there, need at least a week to plan carefully, specially with the gas prices the way they are now, and I have an SUV (black '97 Honda Passport called "Empire 1")...go figure,
   <LI> This group ROCKS! :D

Thanks for the notes and opinions. I'll keep posting on my progress.

BTW, Boba Phat: thanks for the link and clarifing my doubt. You're strong in the Force! :)

Robert :fettrotj

Rogue,
Just curious tif we could see a comparison picture of one of your helmets vs. an ESB just to see where you are at?

Geoff

Oh, and thank you sooo much for the research! If it helps anyone, I got to meet Jeremy Bulloch at a comic book store in town last weekend. He signed my old (cheesy) ROTJ helmet, and I had just been to the hobby shop next door to get the Panzer Olivegrun 1943 before he showed up and I put it in my car while I was waiting, I should have got his opinion but I am an idiot!:( What better verification could there have been, aside from what we already have?

DON'T HATE ME CAUSE I'M STOOPID!:o

Geoff...don't sweat it, that paint looks a lot different in the bottle than it does on a helmet anyway. JB woulda given his best guess and probably would've said it looked about right.

I almost have Chris King's helmet complete oncehe receives it I'll let him post comparison pitures he's pretty good at that.

Take Care

Lee

Hey is anyone going to post any helmets?

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Hey is anyone going to post any helmets?

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Mine are up here

I still don't really like the red color I have. I can't seem to find one that I really like. The model masters rust is to brown, everything else is to red or to pink. I'm going to try burnt siena later this week and see how that looks. I though I had it with the british crimson but it has to much of a pink hue to it

Doug

Here's my recently re-painted 96 Don Post with the recently discovered, kick butt paints:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bgouveia/...c=ph%26.view=t

Keep'em coming. I also have had a time with the Reds but rest assured it's in the Floquil/Polly S line of colors. I have been trying others and I haven't nailed it down but I'm close that's why I was hessitant to say for sure that is it but the green is the deal no doubt. The inside cheeks colors have been tough too but I may have those as well...lets wait and see how Chris King's helmet photographs.

I'm really glad people are posting pictures I love looking at them.

Lee

here are color charts for floquil and polly s products.

http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/color...20(Enamel).pdf

http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/color...RR%20Acryl.pdf

http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/color...ob%20Acryl.pdf

to my knowledge these are all of the colors that they produce. this should help us figure out the remaining colors. good thing i just bought an airbrush. :D

thanks bobagoat. that panzer red brown looks like it might be close.

It was brought to my attention that no one could see my link to my helmet pictures. I think I fixed it. Could someone please look and let me know?

Thanks.

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It was brought to my attention that no one could see my link to my helmet pictures. I think I fixed it. Could someone please look and let me know?

Thanks.

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with yahoo it gets to be a pain. Make sure you're not trying to link to the full sized picture and make sure the folder is open to everyone. Otherwise yahoo will say there was an error.

Doug

Hey the Panzer red brown sounds good but it's a definite no hit it looks like a cup of Starbucks with lots of creamer. Be careful using the online colors charts they are ok for a basic check but they are waaay different in real life.

Lee

Link still not working Bob.

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Hey the Panzer red brown sounds good but it's a definite no hit it looks like a cup of Starbucks with lots of creamer. Be careful using the online colors charts they are ok for a basic check but they are waaay different in real life.

Lee

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bummer. I saw that on the chart and got a little excited because it's something I haven't seen at my hobby shop. I'll keep hoping I guess

Hey how do you think I found out what it looked like? from the color chart LOL so I was saving you a few bucks..also Tyler D thought it was a hit. We were sad to say the least.

Lee M.

well, when you find a good red for us let us know. I know that's the one thing on the helmet I'm still not vert happy with on mine. And it's also the right color for the rotj gauntlets which I'm in the process of trying to upgrade also.

Doug

Yup, we were totally bummed about the red-brown. I thought it was sure hit given that it was a German military color, listed with Panzer Olive Grun, and it looked good on the online chart.

RS ordered the paint only find out it was just as he said-- a starbucks thunder latte. Take the online charts with a grain salt!

Here's mine so far. It's the Olivegrun, Rust, and Weathered Black(Floquil) colors from Lee. The back is Imperial Japanese Navy Green, and ears are Panzer Dunklegleb and Spruce Green(Rustoleum) LMK what y'all think

Ryan
http://photos.imageevent.com/mojoday.../colorall4.jpg

Ugh... ok, please try the link NOW! Its finally set to PUBLIC. Stupid Yahoo! :lol

By the way, Boba Phat, that's looking good. Can't wait to see it weathered. That's when the "magic" happens.

Looking good, Boba Phatt. Webchief is absolutely correct about the weathering totally transforming the bucket.

I'm not feeling the Japanese Imperial Green, though. It is far too green to be the ESB rear color. Need something that is a bluish/greenish color.

Can we be 100% sure that none of these were custom mixed colors? I hate to ask but the "visor area" red is such a pain in the butt to figure out.....

Geoff

Not really, Geoff. RS got some inside info from a prominent ESB model builder that going custom mixed you'll never get the colors right. Now of course, we take this information at face value. If it's right, what a relief. If it's not, back to the drawing boards.

However, the Panzer Olive Grun is dead on the ESB color. And there have been several other "in the bottle" colors that are very close to the real deal leading me to believe the majority of the suit was painted with "out of the bottle colors." The other factor to consider, besides the chance that some colors might be mixed, is the weathering process applied to the colors making them seem quite different than they do "au' natural." If you look very closely at the ESB helmet red, you'll see what appear to be untainted spots of paint, i.e. missed by weathering. I have to agree that the visor is one tough cookie. RS and I have been working our way down the paint charts looking for it.

yeah, I know how that goes. I haven't been through as many different colors as you guys have I'm sure. I am anxiously awaiting you guys to hit those colors though. Guess my helmet will get another round of fresh paint when you guys give us the next reveals!

Doug

Could someone at least confirm for me whether or not they can view my pictures? I'd appreciate it...

Webchief...i can see them....VERY NICE!!!

BOBAPHAT...good work, cant wait to see weathering!!

Thank you!

Heck yeah really nice..don't worry it will look totally different when you put on the scratches and weathering. Good work!

Lee

Bob,

Working here as well, and PM incoming.

Shawn
:fettesb

Nice work webchief. I'm digging the lighted RF. One of these days I hope to be a good enough craftsman to pull one of those off. I have a long way to go though.

Boba Phat - looking nice there bud. Is that your MSH?

Tyler - you said the back needs a bluish green. Have you tried the european dark green? It has a bit of a bluish tint to it. That's what I used on mine anyway.

Doug

Thanks to all who did enjoy!

Doug-Yes, my MSH is finally in the painting stages! Just 4 months of prep! I'll have to go look at the Euro DK Green, thanks for sharing!

TD-The back of the helmet was the hardest color for me to get. Sorry you don't like it, but it matches my ref CD pics and I haven't seen anyone but Slowmo share their color, so ***!!!

Any possibility Rogue Studios or anyone else could update the "General Consensus These Are As Close To The Definitive Colors We May Ever Get" list?
It's shopping time this weekend.

Thanks!

Geoff

The green is the only color for sure ID'd so put it in concrete.

I feel I have them all found but I want to be sure. Some folks are looking through the paints and available colors from floquil and Polly S and some have looked pretty good. It's just tough telling the TDH the colors and people run out and buy them then I realize that I may be wrong since I do try other colors and bam they work...I have almost 75% of the colors on the paint charts but Floquil made others too and it's finding those obscure colors that may prove promising as well. But the green is good to go

Lee

OK, I have looked on color charts for all the brands that have been named here and so far Polly S is the only one that have a green called "Panzer green" is that the correct green? I thought it was called "Panzer grun-1942"??!!

Also, I can't find any of the named brands here in Sweden, Humbrol and Tamiya are the only brands availible to me. Does Humbrol carry the correct green? They don't have anything named "Panzer grun" but they do have a VERY large selection oliv greens.

So does anybody know if there's any Humbrol enamel that would do?

Steve.

I too have a problem finding the right colours..
The paint shops here in Norway have a pathetic selection of cans due to the government war against Graffiti(they think that stop selling cans in stores will stop it). There is not
many Hobby stores either so it looks like i will have to custom mix again :rolleyes

Any news on the ROTJ colors??

I dont know if this is ok, but I found the Testors - Panzer Olive Grun 1943 (German) color, is this a really good ESB helmet color? As well as, I found the Japanese Navy Green but only by Tamiya...is that still accurate?

BTW, im using Webchief's idea of the Fluqoil Tuscan for the mandbles, and im mixing Testors Gold and Tamyia Buff for the right earpiece!

Thanks!
Bobo

The panzer olivegrun is right on, but the japanese navy green isn't. I keep looking for a better color to repaint with, but I haven't found it yet. The back of the helmet is supposedly a blue-green. I'll post what I find when I find it.

I used Testor's Model Master Rust for my mandibles. It looks a little brown, but looks red in pics.

Hmm, thats weird, cuz Webchief's bucket looks really good with that japanese navy green! And besides, a blue-green?? Wouldn't that look strange? ;)

Anyone else think they've got the back of the helmet propely down?

F-L-O-Q-U-I-L...It's there trust me.

I have a supply of fluqoil paints here in town, do you have a name of the specific color?

Haven't been able to single out that back color yet, but what RS is saying is to raid that Floquil line, because there is an excellent chance the correct color is sitting in the Floquil line.

And yes, Panzer Olive Grun (Green) is the 99.9 percent accurate ESB color.

Awesome! Thanks Tyler.
Just to make sure..it says Panzer Olive Grun "1943", I don't think that matters?!

Oh yeah, and Webchief used Fluqoil Tuscan for his bucket, I was wondering what you think of that color? (anyone else too!)

Anywhoo, I'll be attacking the Floquil section soon :D

If I am not mistaken, Panzer Olive Grun 1943 is the testors name for the color. Testors acquired the Floquil military line. Poly-S also makes paints from the Floquil line. In short, Testors Panzer Olive Grun 1943 and Poly S Panzer Olive green= correct Floquil color.