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Rogue Studios' ESB Color list & Painting Techniques

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    Rogue Studios' ESB Color list & Painting Techniques

    *03/12/08 UPDATE..I will be going through the text and editing some things as well.


    *update 5/7/06- On the paint master of the MR I used an all topical method and here's the interesting part I think. I used a complete masking method on the 2nd helmet which should be on display at comic con. Also the color updates below are what I found out while under the gun trying to get it for everyone who may want an MR helmet. One last thing the MR helmet is outrageously accurate for not being a direct casting and unless you have an uber sized head it'll be just fine for all sizes.

    Also some of these methods are intermixed between topical and scratch methods so if you see the word "seal" that applies to topical. I highly recommend using all Floquil ENAMELS and do a scratch method laying all of the scratches and peeling off. The original was done this way and enamel paints allow accuracy when peeling. If you seee topical on an original helmet that means it was done as a repait or after the fact.

    On the paint master of the MR proto #1 I used an all topical method and here's the interesting part I think. I used a complete masking method on the 2nd helmet. Also the color updates below are what I found out while under the gun trying to get it for everyone who may want an MR helmet. One last thing the MR helmet is outrageously accurate for not being a direct casting and unless you have an uber sized head it'll be just fine for all sizes.

    This is where I have it now and unless labeled 'unsure' I'm fairly confident it is the correct color based on input research and opinions of actual obeservations made by people who have seen the helmet and suit. All colors are Floquil or Polly Scale paints it really doesn't matter which you purchase as long as the color is the same they are the same paints for the most part. If you have questions please let me know or post them here and I'll help you out.

    Lee

    *Update*
    I almost forgot. You have to tone down the helmet with an acrylic wash in a few cases depends on how the helmet looks after painting. Basically get some of that blue window wash you use for the car 95 cents a gallon at your local store. put in a cup but keep it away from children it's poisonous believe it or not. Add a few drops of black acylic paint thus making a dirty cloudy water type mixture(not very much paint is used in this). Get a mister bottle and put the blue window cleaner in it so you can mist down dark spots and even out the finish. Don't go too heavy and using your mixture in the cup brush it on and if it's too dark just mist it and dabb with a paper towel. Do a little bit at a time and I would suggest not to do it all in one sitting or it will come out too dark. This blends the helmet and reduces the contrast of some colors I'm fairly confident this was done on the original.


    Helmet (Empire version)
    * German Field Gray or Panzer Olive Green (Cheeks and dome) court is out on this one but GFG is a very old Floquil and was produced back in the day but not now so you'll have to buy it from Tamiya.
    * Caboose (not caboose red) (mandibles) * Reefer Yellow Vertical stripes (update) also the look of this strictly dependent on heavily applied it is and don't apply heavily on frontal stripes
    * Reefer Gray update (Gray around scratches)
    * Rust (various locations)
    * Chrome (scratches) I think this was actually a color called bright silver but this works best.
    * Main color back of helmet- RLM73
    * Back of helmet scratches- Concrete
    * Earth Enamel(Rangefinder ear) I hate this paint.
    * POG Green Update!(Left ear)
    * PRR Green(I like weathered black better) (Inside cheeks) this is practically black.
    * Caboose (Red scratches on left ear).
    * Light Gray (on left ear) any light gray will do.
    * PRR Maroon for the dark color on mands may need to darken this color with a touch of black. I know the original color but Floquil hasn't made the color for almost 20 years so it's very very hard to find and this will do trust me.


    Jet Pack (AOSW version)
    * Light Blue
    * Chrome
    * Grimey black (weathering for exhausts etc.)
    * Boxcar Red
    * UP armor Yellow
    * White

    Armor (AOSW version)
    * Reefer Yellow (Shoulders and knees put on heavier on knees but not much this color gets darker the more you throw down).
    * ATSF Catwhisker Yellow (Shoulders and knees the trim around the scratches).
    * UP Armor Yellow (Shoulders and knees to highlight darker spots).
    * US Med. Green (Chest, cod, back, buttplate).
    * Yellow Zinc Chromate (I could not locate in floquil so I used testors for trim around scratches)
    * Black (For speckles and weahtering)
    * Chrome

    Guants (AOSW)
    * Wisconson Central Maroon
    * Weathered Black (weathering and highlights creates that purplish look you see)
    * Chrome
    * Rock Island Maroon (calc buttons)

    Ok, Using the dome as an example first and then we'll move onto the mandible.

    Primer coat your helmet if you choose. Grab a can of chrome spray paint whatever works best for you but make sure the surface is free of dust and it's not real humid outside this paint can get real tricky. Spray it on if it looks crappy let it dry and put on another coat or sand it down and start over (I hate that part) *NOTE let this dry for a few days. Apply the POG(Panzer olive green). Ok there is a real trick here make sure you get it on good otherwise the chrome shows through and it also lightens up the green a lot.

    Mandibles are the toughest. After chrome has dried apply the Caboose and it let dry. Then apply the Gray areas and then the PRR maroon (Dark over the light color thinking) that's it on that as well.

    There will be issues with masking off with tape for example the cheek area. This is a toughie for me but use your best judgement but I hand painted the inside cheek so no masking issue there and I airbrushed on the green cheek so basically airbrush the cheek green and then hand paint the inside cheek. If you have to mask with tape seal the paint with a coat dulcoat or semi gloss(yes semi-gloss(Testors) it creates a hardcoat which prevents future scratches and you can dulcoat the helmet later).

    When masking for the verticle stripes you can seal the green and then paint the stripes and then scratche helmet it will just take more than a tooth pick but it's not a worry. After all is said and done apply the acylic coat and a little scotchbrite to smooth it out.

    *Note also if the Lark gray doesn't look dark enough try Euro Dark gray instead it's a matter of choice but I felt the gray had bluish tones to it so I used the lark. Also your colors are going to look funky until you apply the acrylic coat so don't worry. You see evidence of this on the real stuff.

    I hope this helps and I did not hold back this is how I did it.

    Lee
    Last edited by Rogue Studios; Apr 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM.

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    Re: Colors

    Lee

    I know how much time, effort & money youve put into finding these.

    Thankyou for sharing

    Nathan

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    Re: Colors

    Thanks Lee, now I need to figure out what version the AOSW armor is.

    Thanks again Lee couldn't do it with out.

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    Lee,

    Thanks for the info. Now off to buy some paints.



    Robert



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    wow nice
    the next helmet i do im going for supreme accuracy...thanks a lot for posting this stuff, i know a ton of research must have gone into it.

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    Re: Colors

    Hey Lee do I remember something you said about telling your technique because it was real easy or did I just dream this up?

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    What do you mean which version? The AOSW armor is Jedi-style.


    TK-Fett wrote:

    Thanks Lee, now I need to figure out what version the AOSW armor is.

    Thanks again Lee couldn't do it with out.

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    Great, thanks for posting the colors Lee. Any word on the ROTJ helmet colors??

    P.S. Mods, how about keeping this thread at the top.

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    So...Weathered Black for under the cheecks is actually PRR Green, and Euro 1 Gray for the scratches is actually SP Lark Dark Grey?

    Did you get the ESB armor too? Rumor is that the gauntlets are the same color as the Panzer Olive Green...true?

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    Re: Colors

    Not sure about that ESB gaunt color yet. I'll researching it now that I have Nathan's helmet finished.

    Lee

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    Lee, Are you working on the colors for the ROTJ helmet? They aren't the same as ESB or are they?

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    Thanks Lee!!!

    One question....are all the polly paints the brush type or do they offer spray paint (like for the panzer olive green)??

    OOPS...forgot to ask too. Any idea which color the shoulder bells/knees are for ESB??

    Thanks
    Rob

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    I am working the ROTJ right now..The mandible color is the same from what I cna tell it's just not as weathered (no acrylic coat).

    All of the paints are designed for aribrushes.

    The new technique is very simple paint the helmet with Chrome paint entirely let it dry for a few days then paint the dome for example with acrylic Panzer olive green (it does come in enamel so be careful) after painting just use a toothpick to rub off the necessary scratches it's really cool and works great you have to refine it a bit to do the mandibles but this is the primary method I will be using and although not earth shattering since some of you may already be using this method I just haven't heard anyone press it that much. Make sure you seal the finished work with a clear coat then a dulcoate to prevent tearing when masking or accidental scratches. I think this method explains the mysterious appearing scratch on the left inside cheek of the ESB.

    Take care

    Lee

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    Much thanx Lee! when I finally do get a new bucket, I'll most definately use both the colors & technique you suggested!! Thanx again for all the work that went into this,
    Damian

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    Oh yeah on the knees.

    I used the Reefer yellow, Up Armor and Catwhisker for my knees. Looking at Empire I feel the Knee color is derived from laying on the Reefer Yellow pretty heavily with several coats this is a strange color and the less you put on the more yellow it looks and the more you put on the more it sways Orangish. There is another color Yellow that I think(keyword) was used on the Prepro knees..TTX Yellow but it was the under layer yellow you can see it on the AOSW Left knee. Also another yellow to grab is Depot Buff it may have been used on a few bells and knees for the dark misted color you see but I used UP armor yellow for that but test it before doing it.

    It can get kind of hairy doing the knees and shoulders but just take your time.

    Lee

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    About the window cleaner black paint wash, do you do it all over the helmet or just to the dark areas, and if so what are the dark areas?

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    All over the whole helmet.

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    RS...I believe I speak for all of us when I say you are a true gift to this group of Fett costumers.

    Thank you so much! Good luck with the rest of your research.

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    Well done man, well done. That list is gonna make a LOT of people happy 'round here. The amount of time and effort you put into it is much appreciated.

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    Thanks Lee!!


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    Rogue Studios wrote:

    I am working the ROTJ right now..The mandible color is the same from what I cna tell it's just not as weathered (no acrylic coat).

    All of the paints are designed for aribrushes.

    The new technique is very simple paint the helmet with Chrome paint entirely let it dry for a few days then paint the dome for example with acrylic Panzer olive green (it does come in enamel so be careful) after painting just use a toothpick to rub off the necessary scratches it's really cool and works great you have to refine it a bit to do the mandibles but this is the primary method I will be using and although not earth shattering since some of you may already be using this method I just haven't heard anyone press it that much. Make sure you seal the finished work with a clear coat then a dulcoate to prevent tearing when masking or accidental scratches. I think this method explains the mysterious appearing scratch on the left inside cheek of the ESB.

    Take care

    Lee
    I think you are right in saying this technique was used for the ROTJ helmet, but i think the ESB helmet had the silver applied topically after the helmet had already been painted and then had a good rub down with a scotch brite pad. I think it had another going over with the scotch brite after the silver was brush painted on too.
    I could be wrong, but thats how it looked to me.

    Keith.

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    Thanks Lee!! I guess I'll be repainting again...

    My Fett will be retired permantly to a mannequin after this.

    Lynn

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    The topical method is a very solid theroy and I can't say for sure how it was done definitively however I do use a scotchbrite to even out the gray and the PRR Maroon since they are topically applied on my helmet. I do see some silver areas on the real deal that were without a doubt topical but I think those were touch up areas. Again this is just a personal theroy and I'm not endorsing any of this as fact.

    Lee

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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    Yeah, It's impossible for any of us to know exactly how it was done. And I do believe there are traces of both topical and masking application on the ESB helmet.

    The one thing that has me leaning toward a mostly masked job on ESB is what Rouge Studios mentioned- that the topical areas on the helmet are painfully obvious when compared to the other areas of weathering. Now I don't believe proves anything either way, but it is something I've been curious about.




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    Re: Colors(update see first post)

    I had a chance to see these colors myself at D*con, and I must say, it was like looking at the rosetta stone of paint You can easily imagine these colors to be a bit different in your head, but when you see color after color that is so similar to every corresponding part of the suit in any reference pic, it's easy to see that these paint colors are the same. I have mixed so many colors in the past, it's nice to finally be able to just pop a jar open and use it straight from the bottle ....... I'm just wondering what colors were used on the Pre-Pro suit

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