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Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

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    Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Hello fellow lovers of all things Fett

    I've been a long time lurker on TDH however recently I posted some old electronic equipment (scopes & what not) one of the pictures was oriented that made a resemblance to the slits on the rear of the helm, however the dimensions were far to small

    But.. This got me thinking it is about the right shape, if not size... (then I found some in a draw over the weekend that were larger than that I’d had before.. so has anyone got accurate dimensions of the rear slits, as I propose the rear of the Fett helm is indeed a rotary switch (the brand and exact type I’m not sure (will require accurate measurements) I have a selection I can measure and compare



    Sorry if this is already known, I checked the wiki of found parts (if it is kept up to date) and didn’t see any entry for this

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    Last edited by jendor; Mar 26, 2012 at 2:49 AM. Reason: **** spelling ...

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Good find!

    Altough the original helmet was sculpted in clay, it's not impossible if they used some real stuff to achieve excellent results with each concept they had. One good example is the medical droid's face made with a studio microphone:

    bundle_000-0000000538-jpg bundle_000-0000000531-jpg

    And here are the measurements for the back of the helmet:

    rear-side-measurements-jpg

    And please post a higher resolution image so we can take a better look.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    RafalFett said: View Post
    Good find!

    Altough the original helmet was sculpted in clay, it's not impossible if they used some real stuff to achieve excellent results with each concept they had. One good example is the medical droid's face made with a studio microphone:

    bundle_000-0000000538-jpg bundle_000-0000000531-jpg

    And here are the measurements for the back of the helmet:

    rear-side-measurements-jpg

    And please post a higher resolution image so we can take a better look.
    thanks rafal

    I will indeed, this was a camera phone job, as i saw the thumbwheel in passing, as i find some more and start getting measurements i'll shoot with my dSLR

    do you by chance have any close shots of it also, as i see there is a radius on it, some have a straight chamfer some are curved, would be good to compare, as i hunt !

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Ask and you shall receive!

    rear-keyhole-01-jpg rear-keyhole-02-jpg rear-keyhole-03-jpg rear-keyhole-04-jpg rear-keyhole-05-jpg

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    I posted about that in your thread... I think it could be a counter. They used a Hegstler counter on the ANH stormtrooper blaster... not the same as this type, but they might have had some parts on hand they could have scavenged.

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    Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Great find..very interesting
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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    clonecollector said: View Post
    I posted about that in your thread... I think it could be a counter. They used a Hegstler counter on the ANH stormtrooper blaster... not the same as this type, but they might have had some parts on hand they could have scavenged.
    haha @clonecollector, i'm worried what your post has done to me, all i can think about for the past few days is where can i get more counters to compare ...

    there is a guy in work next week to works with very vintage gear im hoping he might have an idea where this oversized counter housing originates from !

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    closest i can find thus far is


    waiting to hear back from the webmaster to see if he has it

    i'm amazed at how rare it seems to be to find a counter with a curved backplate (not chamfered like most)

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Really does look like you're on to something!

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    This one has 6 digits in a single "panel"

    Measurements are 67mm x 127mm (don't know if that is just the digit panel or all of it, it's not specified.)

    Obviously this one is a modern day version, but it could still be an old model, like the hengstler 400 used on the E-11's are still in production today.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    jendor said: View Post
    closest i can find thus far is


    waiting to hear back from the webmaster to see if he has it

    i'm amazed at how rare it seems to be to find a counter with a curved backplate (not chamfered like most)
    I did a quick comparison of that part and the Rear Keyhole, and there are similarities but also major differences:

    rear-keyhole-comparison-jpg

    Note that the images were heavily altered because of the different point of view and in lack of measurements.

    Remember that the helmet was a custom sculpt and even if the person who sculpted the helmet was inspired by a part similar to yours, it's very difficult, if not impossible to say if that was the case or not.
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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    No doubt about it Rafal.

    But we already know there are found parts inside the helmet. Even if this is an actual part _of_ the helmet, it's still worth investigating.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    locitus said: View Post
    No doubt about it Rafal.

    But we already know there are found parts inside the helmet. Even if this is an actual part _of_ the helmet, it's still worth investigating.
    I agree! The same we can say about the rangefinder. Altough we know it's a scratch built part of the helmet (by Brian Archer), but as Art mentioned in the Wiki, part(s) of that may have been inspired by turntable tonearms and/or head shells. Amongst others, I also did some research on these turntable headshells with not so much results ==> Origin of the Rangefinder?
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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    locitus said: View Post
    This one has 6 digits in a single "panel"

    Measurements are 67mm x 127mm (don't know if that is just the digit panel or all of it, it's not specified.)

    Obviously this one is a modern day version, but it could still be an old model, like the hengstler 400 used on the E-11's are still in production today.
    good spot locitus

    however, its not nesicary to find one build up as a 6-off as thumbwheels are stackable, so we only need to find one of anyconfig that is correct and were onto a winner !

    great comparison, thought it was close, atleast its getting somwhere !

    the hardest challenge is to find thoose counters with a half circle radius, as most are just chamfered

    i've seen some other rounded ones but they are raised in the center, it defo looks like a vintage counter is going to be the one, hopfully some digging will come up with the goods !

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    This is looking good, As Raf said its thought the helmet was sculpted out of clay an probley most of it was , though lik the pic of Lucas looking at the 2 prospective trooper helmets the one that wasnt used is clearly a hard hat with a few other parts an a heap of clay to fill it out,
    I know some who think there a good chance fett helmet was done this way, an a few seem to think they know which helmet was used ,How ever its all speculation at this point,
    Though the shapes are 2 uncannyly close i think if you keep digging you may find the right one,

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    wow nice! I think its very possible it was something like this, especially after seeing the medical droid pics. If not it sure looks like it was inspired by a counter! Pretty sweet find bro..maybe you'll find a dead ringer match!

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Looks like it to me. At least in part or as inspiration.
    Although the center separations pose a challenge to it's straight use as-is, lots of other things look close.

    This group always amazes me.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    WOW..simply amazing! Impressive

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    I wonder if they had a few of these counters on hand and just popped them into cutouts in the back of the helmets?

    It would take less time than gutting out all the slots on all the helmets that were made.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Browsing on Ebay for Hengstler counters for E-11's I came across this one:


    The Hengstler 890-series counter has a thumbwheel. It might not be spot on, but maybe they were inspired by a similar counter in the same line. They did afterall use Hengstler counters in ANH for all kinds of things (they are also found in the X-wing cockpit) so they might have had more than just the 400-series in their pile of junk used for props.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    I have made a 3D model and have uploaded into Shapeways, but I do not think anyone would want to buy it? Not made to any specific helmet but the original.

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Holy cow... would you look at that... Simply amazing!

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    Welcome to the party Art!

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    I know.. I know... I am way behind. This is the coolest find since the dental files in the back of the helmet! TDH's members never fail to completely blow me away! You guys are just awesome!

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    Re: Rear Slits, Potential Discovery ?

    I didn't it like that, but you're welcome.

    I'm pretty excited too if we could nail this one!

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