PP2 casting vs MF - You be the judge
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Almost impossible to say. I think most would tend to associate the pp2 with the RotJ and the pp3 with the ESB, but that is more due to the paint jobs on them. The RotJ and PP2 were painted by the same person and clearly were made around the same time.
The hero ESB helmet APPEARS to be a bit different than all the other helmets. The PP3 is painted virtully identical to the ESB Hero, but the shapes of the two helmets differ.
Sorry I can't give a better answer. That is all I have.
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DL44 Blaster
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Fantastic pics and even better having side by side shots......I'd take an MF anyday.....love the wonky look!
Thanks for posting Braks!8)
Thanks for posting Braks!8)
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DarthMiller
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Give me the MR!!
while the one off plug is cool and would be a nice addition to anyones collection I like the look of the cleaned up scan by MR!!
OK...one thing..I like the grey primer version of the MR!!! The painted version from MR will not be the version sitting in my house. I think the MR fan painted version will be incredible
while the one off plug is cool and would be a nice addition to anyones collection I like the look of the cleaned up scan by MR!!
OK...one thing..I like the grey primer version of the MR!!! The painted version from MR will not be the version sitting in my house. I think the MR fan painted version will be incredible
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never ending fett
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Rogue Studios
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The MR is a great alternative and I highly encourage anyone willing to tear it apart and rework it as needed to do so. The dent is slightly larger and deeper but it's the end all of helmets for anyone wanting to purchase the last helmet they will ever need. If I didn't have what I had I would not hessitate for a second to buy one of these and just fix what I feel needs fixing in my eyes. I don't get any cash for endorsing these or anything but it's my honest assessment. MR did leave quite a few places on wonkiness.
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never ending fett
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I learn new vocabulary terms all the time. Flare...greeblies...now wonkiness!
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stormtrooperguy
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the mr really is a pretty helmet. it will be neat to see what happens as they get into fan hands and repainting / tweaking begins!
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never ending fett
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me too!
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Jangos kid
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CSK225
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I haven't posted in a while, but I'll say this. The MR helmet appears to be more accurate to the ESB hero than the PP2 in some respects. As far as the shape of the helmet from the side, it looks better. Fuller. The PP2 above, I don't know, "leans" back or something. The ESB hero does not do that. But that could have been 'corrected' even by the attachment of the visor. Minor things can make a noticable difference.
That backside browline on ALL the helmets is proof that they are all the SAME helmet. The ESB hero's rear browline is pretty much as saggy as the PP2 just the way you see it above. All helmets had the saggy brow in the back and that would only happen if they have the same base.
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HeadlessHunter
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Thanks Brak's for a fascinating comparison and surely what alot of people have wanted to see for a long time, I actually salute the changes they made to the MR, they have produced IMHO an incredible helmet, thanks again for the pics 
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A very interesting and absolutely correct observation! While the MR and MF are relatively the same size, the impression I got from looking at them was that the MR had slightly more volume. I know that would generally mean the MR is bigger, but it doesn't really look "bigger." I think you are right on by saying it has a "fuller" look to it, which of course would be associated with the ESB helmet as it is considered to have a more full look while the RotJ is generally considered to have a more lean look. Again, great point!
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Rogue Studios
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A good point. What they did was just like what we accomplished on the X-wing (we scaled up the model to compensate for the scanners error ratio). It was scanned in and due to interpretation etc. they wanted to compensate for error ratio by the scanner so they actually increased the size by a very small percentage to compensate for the scanners ability to interpret what it was scanning. Basically an error ratio was entered and this may have resulted in a slightly larger cast..thus the wider eye slots and keyslots as well as dent.
Now, nay sayers may then say well my casting shrunk or something like that but all I can say to that is the PP2 was dropped into Tin Cure RTV Silicon (high quality no shrinkage) and had to be cut out of the mold since they did not 2 part cast it. Check your ref photos of the real PP2 on the new ref disk and you can see the knife marks on the back of the helmet. At that point the mold was put back together and casted in Ultracal (again no shrinakge material) which is what I have in my hands presently. You would have to pull multiple generations and use subpar materials before you would even detect a modicum of shrinkage.
Now, nay sayers may then say well my casting shrunk or something like that but all I can say to that is the PP2 was dropped into Tin Cure RTV Silicon (high quality no shrinkage) and had to be cut out of the mold since they did not 2 part cast it. Check your ref photos of the real PP2 on the new ref disk and you can see the knife marks on the back of the helmet. At that point the mold was put back together and casted in Ultracal (again no shrinakge material) which is what I have in my hands presently. You would have to pull multiple generations and use subpar materials before you would even detect a modicum of shrinkage.
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Spideyfett
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When is the MR suppose to ship??:confused...
I love the conversation that is going on so far, it's good "fett talk".
With that being said, I'm still gonna stick with my opinion that the helmet is the SAME (in terms of being casted from the same molds, I get that), but DIFFERENT is terms of Shape, and maybe even Size...mainly cause of the repairs that have occurred on the ESB hero.
And seeing the hero ESB helmet in person, IMO after those repairs is now a completely different helmet than all the others....It just has an over all look that none of the others have...again IMO.
If MR would have just used the ESB hero and gotten it right the first time :facepalm, I for one would be so much more willing to drop the cash for it, but again that's just me.......I guess I will wait and see....Not holding my breath though.
I also can't wait to see how close, or "off " some of the fan made helmets came to the MR in terms of size and shape...that's gonna be very interesting to see.
Someone should collect all the helmets ever done, DP, Rubies, Skygunbro, MLC1, MLC2, MS1, MS2, MS3, BM, MSH1, MSH2, TF and FPH and do a comprehensive comparsion thread with the MR......I wish I had them all really.....but that would be cool....and YES I know, none will be exact....but should be fun to see.
again Great thread so far....MORE PICS!!
I love the conversation that is going on so far, it's good "fett talk".
With that being said, I'm still gonna stick with my opinion that the helmet is the SAME (in terms of being casted from the same molds, I get that
), but DIFFERENT is terms of Shape, and maybe even Size...mainly cause of the repairs that have occurred on the ESB hero.And seeing the hero ESB helmet in person, IMO after those repairs is now a completely different helmet than all the others....It just has an over all look that none of the others have...again IMO.
If MR would have just used the ESB hero and gotten it right the first time :facepalm, I for one would be so much more willing to drop the cash for it, but again that's just me.......I guess I will wait and see....Not holding my breath though.
I also can't wait to see how close, or "off " some of the fan made helmets came to the MR in terms of size and shape...that's gonna be very interesting to see.
Someone should collect all the helmets ever done, DP, Rubies, Skygunbro, MLC1, MLC2, MS1, MS2, MS3, BM, MSH1, MSH2, TF and FPH and do a comprehensive comparsion thread with the MR.
.....I wish I had them all really.....but that would be cool....and YES I know, none will be exact....but should be fun to see.again Great thread so far....MORE PICS!!
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Ripcode
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