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  1. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 20, 2010, 5:46 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #51

    Sup Eric... and how so?
    If you lay it next to the green dome...it works..relative to the ROTJ gauntlets.
    Do some test swatches ...I was surprised myself, thats for sure.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 5:53 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #52

    I'll do a swatch of each. Pretty sure I still have some WC Maroon left.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 5:56 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #53

    Alex I sent you a PM a few days ago. Hey!
  4. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 20, 2010, 6:20 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #54

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    So the white on the back of the ROTJ appears to be the same? Is it the gelcoat? Is it paint?
    That's not white, just silver unweathered, you'll see it in other pics.
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  5. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 20, 2010, 8:33 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #55

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Here's a pic of RS colors as ROTJ compared to mine.... not showing the compare shot to start anything, i promise, just want to show the differences between the two. I will say that with everything Fett, RS colors were a great start for me, there's no denying that...I just felt, as many did, that they needed some serious adjusting.
    How many years the RS helmet has? I ask because of the few helmets RS painted in the RotJ scheme, long time ago, he used the ESB colours except for the back and the killstripes. What I want to say is that the Lee has NEVER made any RotJ list, maybe he has searched the colours since the paintjobs, so you can't compare a apples with oranges...

    BTW, your colours look really nice except for the red, I think it's just too brown while the the RotJ red looks to be more on the pink zone, not too much, but a little bit.

    Just my 0.02$

    PS: As you have said, I do not want to start anything either, just showing my opinion.
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  6. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 20, 2010, 9:28 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #56

    Quote KaanE said: View Post
    How many years the RS helmet has? I ask because of the few helmets RS painted in the RotJ scheme, long time ago, he used the ESB colours except for the back and the killstripes. What I want to say is that the Lee's RotJ list is too old and, if I'm not wrong, he must have searched for new colours since then, so you can't compare an "Apple I" with a "Mac Pro"...

    BTW, your colours look really nice except for the red, I think it's just too brown while the the RotJ red looks to be more on the pink zone, not too much, but a little bit.
    Yeah I think you missed my point KaanE, Sean pointed out a color that RS used on his original list for the PP2 version, you weren't around when that list first came out, as it was a long time ago...I think I still have a copy of that "first" list. If RS has updated his list, there hasn't been any sightings of an ROTJ/PP2 RS painted helmet anywhere to my knowledge, and that's the only pic of his work on ROTJ that I have...so that's why I used it, nothing more. So please don't turn this into something that it's not. I would say that if he or anyone wants to "contribute" their thoughts on colors to this thread, they should... Thanks

    Just as his list was tweaked and adjusted, so can mine... and that's what this thread is all about... no one knows what these colors are, no matter who or what you may've been told.. people are close, but we'll never know 100%... only thing that has EVER been known is the brand.. Floquil.. that's it.

    Example: here is the pic of Sandy painting all three helmets, PP2, PP2 V2 promo, and ROTJ.... so I think that if you do the math, they should all be pretty close or relative in color, no?. My guess is they used the same paint colors, as well as the same brand, Floquil.. (she's wearing the ROTJ, and the PP2 (GMH) is the one at the bottom) Point is there shouldn't be three different lists for three different helmets if they were all painted at the same time, by the same person, with the same paints.

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    Oct 20, 2010, 9:49 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #57

    alex u got all the good pics
  8. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 20, 2010, 9:51 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #58

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    I would say that the colors of the ROTJ should be close...being they were painted by the same person...theres are a few pics out there of the PP2 helmet but alof them dont show all the angles. Im really debating what I want to paint my first GMH. Id like to have like 6 of them to paint different ways each in all honesty but finances wont allow that right now. The dome and upper and lower cheeks are very close in color to the ROTJ...problem your gonna have is the back of the helmets areas...where there is very little reference and the refernce there is, is very poor...but once again VERY similar to the ROTJ hunter green with misting of grey paint...right ear looks the same style as well...I would get CC ears if possible get them looking like metal then go over them with dark grey and brown and then sand away the paint to get the effect...thats what i did for my ROTJ ears on my MS3...the left ear looks similar but also looks green in some of the pics there arent great pics of that side fo the helmet......The Red trim is a brighter looking red...kill stripes all but two appear to be the same red orange as the ROTJ the last two seem faded...theres alot of physical damage to the helmet in the pics not just the masked damage...to get that effect i would get the layered green over the silver and go back with a exacto once dry its a long process but it works...anyone have a better idea that that and im all ears...this is for the tiny stuff you cant mask...on this and the ROTJ theres "carbon" around alot of the damage i like to dry brush this on top of the green once its dry hope to get mine soon just dont know which style i want to do
    Sorry Dom, you said this first... my bad, couldn't agree more.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 9:52 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #59

    I never get tired of seeing those old pics. Wishe the first one was higher res, I'd live to zoom in and read the labels on the paint jars!!!
    Can't wait to start painting this helmet!
  10. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 20, 2010, 9:54 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #60

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    alex u got all the good pics
    Nah, I just keep allot of cr@p*..LOL!! I think it was on one of Arts Ref CD's way back when...

    But you said it best ROTJ reference is prob the best reference material..
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    Oct 20, 2010, 10:00 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #61

    Yeh in my SUPER RUN ON SENTENCE OF DOOM! LOL I think the red on the mandibles is for sure redder looking at them next to eachother but other than that Id say theyre identical in color...now the red maybe the same but not washed with dark wash?
  12. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 20, 2010, 10:04 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #62

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    Yeh in my SUPER RUN ON SENTENCE OF DOOM! LOL I think the red on the mandibles is for sure redder looking at them next to eachother but other than that Id say theyre identical in color...now the red maybe the same but not washed with dark wash?
    Yup, I would agree.. and for sure, washes or misting certainly change the over all color..
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  13. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 21, 2010, 5:37 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #63

    IMO, and seeing the pics you've posted she (Sandy) must have used the same colours for all the helmets. Why? THREE argues.

    #1: She painted the three helmets with the same paint techniques, so surely the colours.
    #2: As seen in the pic, she painted all the helmets at the same time so it makes no sense to be changing the paint in the airbrush to paint these if they were painted at the same time.
    #3: I'm seeing in one of the pics FIVE bottles of paint: red, two greens, silver, and also the dark grey plus, IMO, the paint in the airbrush which is the one for the top of the cheeks. So SIX colours for those, just as they are.

    The only colour I don't think that match the RotJ is the red for the mandibles, and it looks more like a red with a touch of brown, while the RotJ helmet, and IMO the Sandy helmet, has a red with a really soft touch of pink, more like a wine colour. Surely he used another red for the PP#2, as well as he used a light pink under the mandibles for it.

    So, IMHO, any list would work, just the weathering will make the diference.
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  14. Oct 21, 2010, 7:04 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #64

    Maybe the reason the PP2 mandible red appears different to the ROTJ and the V2 is the pink layer underneath. Depends on how heavy the red coat has been applied over the pink...
  15. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 21, 2010, 7:15 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #65

    Yes, but red over pink should be red-pink, while the red over grey or silver should be red. What happens? The red over the pink looks more brown on PP#2 while the red over silver or grey looks more pinky on the RotJ. I think it's not because of what is under the red.

    One thing to prove that the top red is not affected over other colours in these buckets is that the RotJ has a silver coat with a few grey spots and the colour looks the same for all the mandible, not diferent for the spots.
  16. Oct 21, 2010, 7:28 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #66

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    Yes, but red over pink should be red-pink, while the red over grey or silver should be red. What happens? The red over the pink looks more brown on PP#2 while the red over silver or grey looks more pinky on the RotJ. I think it's not because of what is under the red.

    One thing to prove that the top red is not affected over other colours in these buckets is that the RotJ has a silver coat with a few grey spots and the colour looks the same for all the mandible, not diferent for the spots.
    I think the opposite is true. Red over a light colour ie silver or white will increase the colours lighter tones. Red over a similar but lighter shade, especially when seen next to it, will make it look redder...
  17. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 21, 2010, 7:46 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #67

    Surely you're correct because you have a lot more experience with colours than me, but I still think the PP#2 red colour is diferent than the others. It just looks diferent to me.
  18. Oct 21, 2010, 7:52 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #68

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel KaanE, it just strikes me as likely how these colours would behave...
    The airbrush is out so I will have a couple of test strips done shortly...
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    Oct 21, 2010, 8:21 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #69

    basically a lot and I mean a LOT of trial and error is going to be the only way here I think
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    Oct 21, 2010, 8:44 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #70

    I knowthat the red will behave differently over different colors and with washes as I have painted two ROTJ helmets in the last few months here since I havent painted over pink just silver I can say that using it over black and silver you get a completely different look over the silver its more red and it may have not been washed with a dark wash. I know not alot of people paint ROTJ all the time so its easy to think in terms of ESB and the mandables on it...the red on ROTJ is more of a red simply put...look at these two pics...and look at the lighting in the pic of sandy...that flash has the light playing tricks on you guys...the reds are the same IMHO on all three! I like using the first pic cause i have a copy of that photo I got at CV and the colors arent screwed up by a flash its daylight...in the pic you can see how the colors should apear. I think if going with airbrush spideys color choices on the 2nd page are DEAD on and to make that pink adding a light grey to tone it down is gonna be the way to go. That pink is also in the triangle on the helmets right side...I can picture the grey Id use in my head but very little red and very light grey. You guys are making me want to paint mine PP2 now.

  21. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 21, 2010, 9:05 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #71

    Now this is all getting to be reeeeally good... great posts guys.

    This is why I think Wisconson Central Maroon is not to dark at all, its great for ROTJ, and we all know ROTJ is darker than the PP2 just by looking at it.. sooo that means the underneath color will determine the outcome, as Terminal Fettler has stated. The pink underneath is the variable that forsure

    So someone do the work on this and test this stuff out already!!
  22. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 21, 2010, 9:06 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #72

    TF it was not an attack, I said that because I think it to be true
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    Oct 21, 2010, 9:17 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #73

    Well hopefully TF will come back with his results...but again lighting plays tricks with those reds. The angle of the helmet could also be adding to the light reflecting off it differently
  24. Oct 21, 2010, 9:21 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #74

    KaanE, you're a Gent Sir!
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  25. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Oct 21, 2010, 9:23 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #75

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    Well hopefully TF will come back with his results...but again lighting plays tricks with those reds. The angle of the helmet could also be adding to the light reflecting off it differently
    Yeah lighting and camera photos are definately tricky.. that's why its best to stick with what we know, same painter, painted at the same time, with the same paints..

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