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  1. superjedi's Avatar
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    Oct 19, 2010, 8:07 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #26

    A couple of things regarding that image of the dome.



    #1--The white "blobs" I was talking about earlier. It appears as though some of the silver/gray damage lays over the white. This would be a strange trick if the white got spattered on the helmet after its paint work was complete.

    #2--As I highlighted in these 2 places, it looks like an odd mix of layered work here. If we consider this as a layered paint job, it seems that a base coat of silver was applied, then misted with some darker tone. After which, some areas were masked and a layer of green applied, allowing the mixed silver/darker gray to show through. Then, in some places, it looks like entirely new silver patches were added topically.
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    Oct 19, 2010, 8:12 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #27

    That's exactly what I was referring to. Thanks Eric!
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    Oct 19, 2010, 8:31 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #28

    IMHO all the helmet was painted the layered way (as all the helmets painted by Sandy), then the dark-weathering applied making the effect of darker zones over the green, I don't know about the white spots. And 99.9% sure it's not POG for the dome.
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    Oct 19, 2010, 11:11 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #29

    Quote terminal fettler said: View Post
    I'm convinced this helmet was totally layered, but then I would be... I think the real secret is the masking tape "pull" effect through the top coat, down to the base silver; the silver seams too detailed to be painted either topically or with liquid mask. Maybe the secret to the extra damage ( especially seen on the wear on the ears, between the publicity shots and the final images with it's present owner ) is the lack of key between the silver layer and top coat, very easy to pick off paint layers, but also easy for paint to be chipped/rubbed off accidentally...


    Agreed...
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    Oct 19, 2010, 11:30 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #30

    If not POG for the dome and lower cheeks, what color are you guys thinking?
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    Oct 19, 2010, 11:50 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #31

    I think it's possible that it's POG but maybe a very light coat? pog can stay really light over a silver base coat if only one light coat is applied. Still though it might not be right. I'm gonna take a swatch to my hobby shop and look at a bunch of testors acrylics and enamels.

    I'm gonna try to do some tests for the pink color tonight.
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  7. Oct 20, 2010, 3:41 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #32

    Quote superjedi said: View Post
    A couple of things regarding that image of the dome.



    #1--The white "blobs" I was talking about earlier. It appears as though some of the silver/gray damage lays over the white. This
    would be a strange trick if the white got spattered on the helmet after its paint work was complete.

    #2--As I highlighted in these 2 places, it looks like an odd mix of layered work here. If we consider this as a layered paint job, it
    seems that a base coat of silver was applied, then misted with some darker tone. After which, some areas were masked and a layer
    of green applied, allowing the mixed silver/darker gray to show through. Then, in some places, it looks like entirely new silver
    patches were added topically.
    Interesting point in #2 except you missed a step. The bright silver would have been liquid masked first, then the grey pre shading applied, then select areas of grey or silver grey would have been liquid masked before the green top coat.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 4:44 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #33

    IMO the bolbs are damage it does look like its part of the paint job coz of the spray ovr it But the fact that we know when it was molded to make copies they used the rong prducts and had trouble removing it it would not just release hence the score marks from cuting the mold , if you are to use say plaster or a solid ruber when moulding the chosen product can adheare to sertin paints in dirent ways there for when removing the mould the paint stays with the mould not the painted surface. This is just my tyhorts on this mater.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 8:33 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #34

    Quote terminal fettler said: View Post
    Interesting point in #2 except you missed a step. The bright silver would have been liquid masked first, then the grey pre shading applied, then select areas of grey or silver grey would have been liquid masked before the green top coat.
    Garrett, yeah, I see what you mean. My brain just doesn't think as 'layered' as yours!
  10. Oct 20, 2010, 9:46 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #35

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    Garrett, yeah, I see what you mean. My brain just doesn't think as 'layered' as yours!
    The PP2 is reminding me of the ROTJ I did a while back, it's all masking and pre shading on the silver and even that stage has 3 or 4 layers before any colour goes on and then there's more shading to be done! I'm still scratching my head over those white marks on the back as they do have grey/silver within them which would suggest another explanation other than real damage...
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    Oct 20, 2010, 11:01 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #36

    TF, after all the paintjob is done, the helmet was weathered over it, just as RotJ, that would explain the weathering over the white things.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 11:10 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #37

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    Good idea...the top like the ROTJ appears to be layered then some more **** over the silver creating that effect...i misted green and grey over the areas like that on the ROTJ
    As everyone so far has said, we all know Sandy painted the ROTJ and the PP2... so IMO paints would probably be along the same lines... as we can all see that the misting, weathering and paint colors are equal when comparing the two helmets...(compare shot below)



    I've painted three ROTJ helmets in my day... not many, but I came up with a color list that I still use to this day.... so I will probably use the same colors from my ROTJ list. Now I base these colors on a silver layered underneath background or base color, as this will determine the over all hue ... and as others have said there are weathered layered silver scratches throughout...so layered is def the way to go.

    Spidey's ROTJ/ PP2 list:
    • Helmet dome and cheeks: Dunkelgrum RLM 82 (Model Masters SKU# 2091)
    • Mandibles: Wisconsin Central Maroon (Floquil/ Polly Scale SKU# F110282)
    • Pink on the Mandibles: ???
    • Under cheeks: Ger. RLM 73 green (Floquil/ Polly Scale #F505316)
    • Back of helmet: CNW Green (Floquil/ Polly Scale SKU# F110262) **Currently doing test swatches, it's kinda too saturated, I may change this.
    • Kill Stripes: Southern Pacific Scarlet (Floquil/ #F110136)

    Again these are not set in stone... but these are just base colors, weathering and misting colors are "not included".

    Quote obi sean kenobi said: View Post
    If not POG for the dome and lower cheeks, what color are you guys thinking?
    IMO Sean we should definately shy away from anything ESB, as two different painters and painting styles painted each helmet.

    Hope this helps.
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    Oct 20, 2010, 11:35 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #38

    Spidey I think the under cheek area is more blue than RLM 73 is
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    Oct 20, 2010, 11:55 AM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #39

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    Spidey I think the under cheek area is more blue than RLM 73 is
    At first when I did my tests, I thought the same thing (granted these tests are now 4 years old)... but the RLM 73, for some reason, when layed next to the Dunkekgrun RLM 82 turned more blue... it was wierd... so I went back to it. I did addtional tests with sun light, and different lighting with and without flash from my camera.... (previous post pictures are with flash)

    Here is an example of the PP2 V2 promo helmet in the Archieves (no flash) and the same helmet with during a promo event (with flash)...

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  15. Oct 20, 2010, 1:39 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #40

    Quote KaanE said: View Post
    TF, after all the paintjob is done, the helmet was weathered over it, just as RotJ, that would explain the weathering over the white things.
    I'm seeing colour within the white damage, not on top, if that makes any sense? That means it's a layer and not topical...
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    Oct 20, 2010, 2:42 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #41

    Can you show me where exactly?
  17. Oct 20, 2010, 3:01 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #42

    Superjedi's post no. 26, the area marked 1 in red shows grey colour within the white damage... I think..
  18. KaanE is offline KaanE
    Oct 20, 2010, 3:06 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #43

    Maybe the gray is layered under the white? You can't tell from that pic...
  19. Oct 20, 2010, 3:36 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #44

    Quote KaanE said: View Post
    Maybe the gray is layered under the white? You can't tell from that pic...
    Hmmm. I see where you're coming from on this. I need to study those pics some more...
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    Oct 20, 2010, 3:37 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #45

    So the white on the back of the ROTJ appears to be the same? Is it the gelcoat? Is it paint?
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    Oct 20, 2010, 4:06 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #46

    Spidey, thanks so much for sharing this info. As always, your input on paint is dead on. Man o man, were my color choices wrong or what?? lol.

    I am surprised that C&O Enchantment Blue is not the upper cheek color. This was Lee's/RS choice for his ROTJ helmets, and I've always assumed its the accepted (read: "official") color for ROTJ and its Sandy painted brethren (like the PP2). Interesting indeed!!!
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    Oct 20, 2010, 4:08 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #47

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    Here is a pic of a ROTJ Helmet using the C&O Enchantment blue on the upper cheeks (painted by PredatorMV I believe).
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    Oct 20, 2010, 4:20 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #48

    Sorry I couldn't find my orginal list... Kill Stripes updated on post #37
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    Oct 20, 2010, 4:51 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #49

    Quote obi sean kenobi said: View Post
    Spidey, thanks so much for sharing this info. As always, your input on paint is dead on. Man o man, were my color choices wrong or what?? lol.

    I am surprised that C&O Enchantment Blue is not the upper cheek color. This was Lee's/RS choice for his ROTJ helmets, and I've always assumed its the accepted (read: "official") color for ROTJ and its Sandy painted brethren (like the PP2). Interesting indeed!!!
    No Prob.... again these are just colors that Evan4218 and I choose about four years ago.. im sure they need some tweaking. And in keeping with the fact that all three helmets were painted by Sandy at the same time, the ROTJ PP2, and PP2 promo helmet should be pretty close in color.

    Here's a pic of RS colors as ROTJ compared to mine.... not showing the compare shot to start anything, i promise, just want to show the differences between the two. I will say that with everything Fett, RS colors were a great start for me, there's no denying that...I just felt, as many did, that they needed some serious adjusting.

    This is a pic of Ripcords helmet painted by Justin Evan4218 using my color choices that justin and I worked on..

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    Oct 20, 2010, 5:40 PM - Re: Painting the Grant McCune Helmet (GMH) #50

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    [*]Mandibles: Wisconsin Central Maroon (Floquil/ Polly Scale SKU# F110282)
    How's it going, Alex.
    That seems like it would be pretty dark for the mandible color.

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