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    Jun 2, 2008, 10:57 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #151

    Best pic I can find without getting the comic itself.
    "Enemy of the Empire, 4 of 4"
    Boba's Gaunt missle/laser, whatever its being called these days is deflected back and swack! Right in the noggin.

    Oh yeah.....and my Mom can beat up your Mom !!!!!

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    Jun 5, 2008, 8:37 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #152

    Reading this feels like watching a tennis match, back and forth, back and forth. Love the debate though. Even if GL or another approved project explicitly states the origin, how many sets of armor, and whose armor Boba has and wears, I think it will always be a matter of acrimonious contention. I gave up overthinking the issue and when someone asks where did the dent come from....it is never an easy answer. Well some say....... For costuming purposes origin really doesn't matter..does it? However I can relate to anyone who has quested to find out everything they can about the galaxies most feared bounty hunter. The beautiful thing about the origin of the dent and armor is that there are so many possibilities and therefore it is up to each person to choose for themselves what they decide to believe to be the actual legacy. In the end....It is what it is - The Dented Helmet. How would an appearance of Boba in tv, cinema, print with his green color scheme and NO dent affect the community? The Non-Dented Helmet?
  3. Nov 7, 2009, 11:49 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #153

    its when obi-wan headbutts him. this is common knowledge come on guys I thought you knew all this.
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    Nov 12, 2009, 4:06 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #154

    What if it's a nother Mandalorian with armor that looks very much like
    Boba's and his dent was from rolling a one some were, some time.
    And they got helmets mixed up at a bar
    thx
  5. Mar 16, 2010, 5:57 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #155

    Quote Jango72 said: View Post
    I watched both sequences shot-by-shot on my computer, and the dent wasn't there on the top of Jangos helmet when he was holding it on the balcony on Utapau over-looking the arena. But when he stands up after the horned beast attempts to run him over, there it is.

    The sequence on Kamino when Jango bumps his head entering Slave1, was done in tribute to episode four when the stormtrooper bangs his head on the bottom of the door entering the control room. They could've easily edited out the trooper hitting his head, but instead left it and merely added the radio static sound to mask the "clunk" of his helmet hitting the door. 8)
    ohhhhhh I never knew that. THX!
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    Mar 16, 2010, 6:55 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #156

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    anyone else wondering why Jango's head doesn't pop out of the helmet when Boba picks it up... that would be creapy.
    Ok I know this is a very very old post but since someone just posted in it I'll say this.
    If you watch it in slo-mo when jango's head gets choped off and it shows the helmet hit the ground, there's a shadow from his head falling out of the helmet before it hits the ground.
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    Mar 16, 2010, 7:03 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #157

    Okay, this is a dead thread that has just been revived probably accidentally, but I have just read through the bulk of it and a few points occurred to me that nobody seems to have considered. One thing for sure, the origin of the dent is not clear, nor is it important. Now this is just my opinion, but the more the origin remains a mystery, the better the character of Boba Fett is to me. In the context of the original films, the damage to his armor is there simply to suggest >visually< a character with a substantial history. Nothing more or less than that. Now beyond that, let's consider one obvious flaw of logic that Jango's helmet and Boba's helmet are the same helmet with the dent originating with Jango. Obviously Boba gave the helmet a repaint if it was originally Jangos'. Now for the dent to show up with chipped paint and damaged and burn marks like it is in ESB, he would've either had to paint around the original dent and then chip the paint and add other marks on top of the new paint job to make it look like the paintjob preceded the dent, or he would've had to taken a blow to the helmet in the exact same spot that would've damaged the new paintjob so that there was no paint in the dent anymore. Both of these explanations seem extremely implausible. The real problem here (as has been pointed out before) is that the storytellers and the prop people were not at all concerned with matching details so that there would be a logically consistent storyline as to the history of Boba's helmet. For crying out loud, how can you explain Boba repainting his helmet between ESB and ROTJ but still have paint chipped away from the dent as if it had been blasted yet again? Was his primer really that bad in that one spot every repaint? I think what this means is that, in essence, even though it makes no logical sense based on the details of the films, the Jango helmet was >storywise< meant to be the Boba helmet, just as the ESB helmet and the ROTJ helmet were meant to be the same helmet, not a new or repainted helmet. The reality is, there is so much going on making a movie like this, details like this are just too minuscule for there to have enough of an effort surrounding them to make them hold up to any logical scrutiny 10 to 30 years later. Especially when the main storyteller, GL, goes back and tinkers with everything and mucks it all up without respecting his own creation. I think anyone is free to adhere to whatever line of logic they wish for the dent's origin. For me, I don't want to know the backstory of the dent. Or -- I do, but... not really. Just as I found out after finally getting through Episode III, I didn't really want to know the back story to the original trilogy after all.
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    Mar 17, 2010, 5:45 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #158

    I'll disagree in part. Leaving out the size and symmetry issues, and allowing for Boba to have stripped the blue off completely before repainting the helmet... As those in this community who have done so can attest, making an impression/casting of the Boba dent is simplicity itself, as is marking the position on the helmet dome. It's actually the same dent as in Threepio's head. They probably either took a positive from that, or still had the original "dent stamper" that they'd used for Threepio. They have at least six Boba helmets in the LFL Archives, all of which have identical dents. No excuse to not have the dent in the same place and be the same size and shape if they'd wanted it to be the same helmet. It's an homage to the Boba crater, nothing more.

    I can go with Boba having multiple gauntlets and capes and gloves and weapons and rocketpacks, but it stretches believablity as far as the damage and scuffing to the other armour plates and helmet being so nearly identical between versions. The physical damage was cast in, and one person painted four of the helmets so identically that LFL screwed up and sent the wrong one to Master Replicas for reproduction, and the other person painted three more very similarly in their own right -- both to each other and the other four. I can get behind Boba having multiple sets of armour, but -- accessories aside -- what we saw in ESB and ROTJ were supposed to be the same suit. And that suit wasn't Jango's. The helmet's different, the armour plates are different, the flak vest is different, the bodysuit is different, the girth belt is different, the boots are different, the gloves are different... And all drastically so. Much moreso than between versions of Boba, for the most part.

    As for the material itself... Beskar is the indigenous term for what the outer galaxy calls Mandalorian iron. It is apparantly very strong, very hard to work properly to attain its maximum benefits, and very resistant to lightsabers. I do not personally subscribe to the "impervious super-metal" twaddle bandied about both on the internet and in various EU sources. I know people will yell at me for bringing real-world stuff into SW, but tough. If it is an iron isotope, many of its properties have to already be known, since we know how iron behaves. I won't get into a dissertation on how lightsabers likely work, from the observed phenomena, but if beskar is lightsaber-resistant, then it's probably got a lot of free electrons in its crystalline structure. And the mysterious metalworking skills of the Mandalorian smiths probably retained most or all of those. In order to not oxidize/rust, it would have to be alloyed or amalgamated with other elements. Steel, for instance, is an amalgam of iron and carbon. It still rusts. Stainless steel has traces of chromium and nickel and other non-oxidizing metals mixed in to make it resistant to rusting. Those smiths conjecturally manage to make an alloy or amalgam with beskar that retains all its properties whilst still making it strong and resistant to oxidation.

    However, no metal I know of -- pure, alloy, or amalgam -- is utterly rigid and insulating. No matter what you have to work with, if it's light enough and thin enough to form and wear as these plates are worn, something somewhere will be able to dent, cut, melt, or penetrate it. The function of armour is to deflect, absorb, dissipate, ablate, and otherwise minimize damage. The best defense is always to simply not be there when the blow lands, but, failing that, reduction is good. I personally believe there's a lot more to the Mandalorian armour than the plates we see on the surface. Like an inner pressure/thermal suit with anti-ballistic properties, a flightsuit made out of armorweave or some such, ditto the flak vest, and that the torso and joint plates are just an extra outer layer of even more protection. I've always felt it did Boba a disservice to say he had ****** armour because it was all dented. I'd rather say how awesome he was to have always walked away from whatever the heck did that to Mandalorian iron (or an alloy thereof). Plus, you have to remember that even if the armour didn't dent, the kinetic energy would still be transmitted unless some ablative properties are in effect. Doesn't matter if you have the most impenetrable armour in the galaxy if taking a round from a turbolaser pulverizes your ribs and spine and turns your internal organs to paté.

    Back to Jango and his dent, to finish. Continuity of that dent is a shambles. It isn't there on the CG stand-in. It's there on most of the live shots, but not all, and there's no rhyme or reason to which shots it's in. Because of this, and how early it first appears, I like to say it was there before the movie even started. Perhaps sustained whilst training the ARC Troopers.

    --Jonah
  9. Mar 18, 2010, 7:55 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #159

    Quote Lufo1138 said: View Post
    Okay, this is a dead thread that has just been revived probably accidentally, but I have just read through the bulk of it and a few points occurred to me that nobody seems to have considered. One thing for sure, the origin of the dent is not clear, nor is it important. Now this is just my opinion, but the more the origin remains a mystery, the better the character of Boba Fett is to me. In the context of the original films, the damage to his armor is there simply to suggest >visually< a character with a substantial history. Nothing more or less than that. Now beyond that, let's consider one obvious flaw of logic that Jango's helmet and Boba's helmet are the same helmet with the dent originating with Jango. Obviously Boba gave the helmet a repaint if it was originally Jangos'. Now for the dent to show up with chipped paint and damaged and burn marks like it is in ESB, he would've either had to paint around the original dent and then chip the paint and add other marks on top of the new paint job to make it look like the paintjob preceded the dent, or he would've had to taken a blow to the helmet in the exact same spot that would've damaged the new paintjob so that there was no paint in the dent anymore. Both of these explanations seem extremely implausible. The real problem here (as has been pointed out before) is that the storytellers and the prop people were not at all concerned with matching details so that there would be a logically consistent storyline as to the history of Boba's helmet. For crying out loud, how can you explain Boba repainting his helmet between ESB and ROTJ but still have paint chipped away from the dent as if it had been blasted yet again? Was his primer really that bad in that one spot every repaint? I think what this means is that, in essence, even though it makes no logical sense based on the details of the films, the Jango helmet was >storywise< meant to be the Boba helmet, just as the ESB helmet and the ROTJ helmet were meant to be the same helmet, not a new or repainted helmet. The reality is, there is so much going on making a movie like this, details like this are just too minuscule for there to have enough of an effort surrounding them to make them hold up to any logical scrutiny 10 to 30 years later. Especially when the main storyteller, GL, goes back and tinkers with everything and mucks it all up without respecting his own creation. I think anyone is free to adhere to whatever line of logic they wish for the dent's origin. For me, I don't want to know the backstory of the dent. Or -- I do, but... not really. Just as I found out after finally getting through Episode III, I didn't really want to know the back story to the original trilogy after all.
    who cares if this thread has been revived? what does it matter to you?
  10. Mar 18, 2010, 7:57 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #160

    Quote TK6716 said: View Post
    What if it's a nother Mandalorian with armor that looks very much like
    Boba's and his dent was from rolling a one some were, some time.
    And they got helmets mixed up at a bar
    thx
    uhh probably not. I think Boba could tell he had the wrong helmet because there was a dent in it.
  11. Mar 18, 2010, 8:00 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #161

    Quote ItsThatGuy said: View Post
    Like father - like son.

    Sorta like Luke lost is right hand - just like his Vader did (well actually Vader lost all of his other limbs, eventually, but you understand what I am getting at)
    Hahahah (the part with the limbs)
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    Mar 18, 2010, 8:20 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #162

    Quote Armored Artichoke said: View Post
    who cares if this thread has been revived? what does it matter to you?
    Relax. I'm glad you revived it. I completely missed it before.
  13. Mar 26, 2010, 10:49 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #163

    oh, then good.
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    Apr 12, 2010, 6:48 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #164

    Okay, first of all, the dent could not have been caused by something like a knock on the head or being hit with something BECAUSE I do beloeve that the mandolorian helmets were made out of either durasteel or mandalorian iron which are very strong. Plus, I think that boba's armor is the same as jango's because the mandalores passed down the mandalores helmet and both jango and boba were mandalores.
  15. Apr 12, 2010, 9:02 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #165

    yes I agree.
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    Apr 12, 2010, 9:11 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #166

    Plus, clearly Boba picks up jango's helmet at the end of the clone wars (obviously) now what is he going to do with now, sell it on ebay?! It's obviously the same!
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    Apr 12, 2010, 9:15 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #167

    Now hold on, he could just stow it away somewhere. We'll just have to wait and see what he does after the CW episodes pan out.
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    Apr 12, 2010, 9:17 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #168

    The rangefinder probably broke off. A dent in the helmet would probably be permanent but a broken rangefinder could easily be replaced and it probably was.
  19. Apr 12, 2010, 9:19 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #169

    Quote Muad'Dib said: View Post
    Now hold on, he could just stow it away somewhere. We'll just have to wait and see what he does after the CW episodes pan out.
    Ah yes I forgot about the CW episode with him. That will be awesome!
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    Apr 12, 2010, 9:20 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #170

    Why the heck would he simply put a helmet on a shelf that was=made out of mandalorian iron or durasteel which are VERY expensive and sought after, probably had hours and hours spent making it, and was a ritualistic thing that could put him in charge of all the mandalorians in the galaxy. Would you put that on a shelf?
  21. Apr 12, 2010, 9:24 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #171

    NO. The person that would is an IDIOT.
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    Apr 12, 2010, 9:51 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #172

    You couldn't have said it better
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    Apr 12, 2010, 11:05 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #173

    Quote GraphiX said: View Post
    but a broken rangefinder could easily be replaced and it probably was.
    totally agree, here.... Fettpride could've gotten him an excellent replacement for an affordable price. And accurate. Totally.
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    Apr 12, 2010, 11:33 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #174

    Quote GraphiX said: View Post
    Why the heck would he simply put a helmet on a shelf that was=made out of mandalorian iron or durasteel which are VERY expensive and sought after, probably had hours and hours spent making it, and was a ritualistic thing that could put him in charge of all the mandalorians in the galaxy. Would you put that on a shelf?
    Going by (so far) continuity already established, after Jango's death Boba did not live his life as or consider himself a "mandalorian". Not until around/after the events of the New Jedi Order, and even then wore a durasteel set up until late in the Legacy of the Force series.

    This is why I said we have to see what Feloni changes in the Clone Wars.
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    Apr 13, 2010, 5:11 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #175

    Not that I agree with you, but are you saying that boba used multiple helmets through his life? Why on earth would he do that. And are you also suggesting that boba had durasteel and jango had mando iron?

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