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    Dec 29, 2007, 11:09 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #76

    sorry guys this is going to be a long post, but this is what happened to Jango's armour

    From: Boba Fett
    Book 1
    The Fight to Survive
    by Terry Bisson


    The scoop made its dump and headed back into the stalagmite city,
    through an underground passage. Boba dragged his father's body off the
    scrap pile and onto the rocky mesa.
    The mesa seemed a better resting place. More peaceful, and certainly
    more beautiful.
    Boba removed his father's battle armor and set it aside. He took one
    last look at the strong arms and legs that had protected him. Then, using a
    broken droid arm for a shovel, Boba buried his father in a sandy grave
    overlooking the desert.
    The broken droid arm made a "J," and Boba found another that he bent
    to make an "F." He arranged them on top of the grave.
    Jango Fett. Gone but not forgotten.
    Boba suddenly felt very tired. He sat down beside his father's battle
    armor. He wished he had something to eat.
    He shivered. The wind off the desert was cold.
    Boba leaned back against the helmet and looked up at the great orange
    rings that encircled the planet. It was if they were holding it in theirarms. It was a peaceful sight....
    Boba slept peacefully all that night. His dreams (and he forgot them)
    were of the mother he had never had, and the father he had been lucky
    enough to have. He awoke in the morning, rested and surprisingly
    comfortable. Then he saw that a furry sand snake had wrapped itself around
    him as he slept, keeping him warm.
    Startled, Boba jumped to his feet. The sand snake yelped in alarm and
    slithered away in a panic.
    The same one? Boba wondered.
    It didn't matter. What mattered was that his job was done, for now.
    His father was buried. The little grave with the JF on it was proof of
    that.
    Looking at it, Boba realized how much he was going to miss the father
    who had protected him, guided him, watched over him - and loved him. Now he
    was alone, all alone.
    And for the first time, and for a long time, he wept.
    CHAPTER SIXTEEN
    It was time to think clearly, time to make plans. Time to swing intoaction.
    First things first, Jango Fett always said.
    First was taking care of the Mandalorian battle armor: the suit, the
    helmet, the jet-pack, and all the weaponry. It will be yours someday, his
    father had said.
    But for now, Boba was too small to wear it or even carry it around. So
    he cleaned it, then hid it in a small cave under a cliff. He would reclaim
    it later.
    Second was the black book his father had left him; or rather, the
    message unit that was not-a, book.
    It will tell you what you need to know.
    Boba had to get back into the apartment to get it. That presented a
    problem, given the chaos created by the battle that had spread from the
    arena. He had been confined to quarters by his father, which meant that his
    retinal print might not open the door.
    Boba got the battle helmet out of the cave to bring with him, just in
    case. Since Jango almost always wore it, it would contain unlocking codes.The next problem was getting into the stalagmite city. I can do it, he
    thought, hearing the crash of broken droid parts being dumped below the
    mesa.First load of the morning.
    So far so good, thought Boba as he rode the scoop through the
    underground passage. Dad would be proud.
    He felt a sad thought approaching but he waved it away. There would be
    time for all that later. For now, the best way to honor his father was to
    learn and live by Jango Fett's code.
    That would take some doing, but it would be worth it. It had been
    Jango's plan for his son. Now it was Boba's plan for himself.
    Carrying the battle helmet, Boba ran up the long stairs toward the
    apartment. He passed only two or three Geonosians, and they hardly noticed
    him.
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    Feb 6, 2008, 6:56 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #77

    Just my two cents on this matter.
    But, the beastie bowling Jango over in the arena was DEFINATELY intended as an explaination for Boba's dent. There was no need for the detail to be so developed in that shot otherwise.

    As many others have stated, the EU stuff does get trumped by any film stuff... hence many other explainations.

    And, as far as screen accurate details go... Anakin's lightsaber in EpIII does not look exactly like the one passed on to Luke in EpIV.. nor does the SAME lightsaber look exactly like the one in EpV.

    So Jango's Helmet is made to look just like Boba's because it's the same helmet. The screen details might not be exact from EpII to EpV (discounting the SE version) but George's intention is pretty clear.
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    Feb 6, 2008, 7:01 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #78

    Jango and Boba have two completely different dents in size, shape, and location.
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    Feb 6, 2008, 7:21 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #79

    if they can't even put the right boba fett in the special edition i don't think you can count on continuity between prequels and the OT
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    Feb 7, 2008, 12:49 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #80

    Again folks... you can't justify the exact details... just like many other attempts at continuity between any of the movies (forget from prequels to original trilogy... even from one original trilogy movie to the next!)
    It's like saying "Han Solo's hair was not that long when he went into the carbonite.... how come it's covering his ears more in ROTJ?"

    George Lucas very obviously intended the dent created in EpII to be an indication that this helmet was passed on to Boba... otherwise there would not have been that much attention payed to the detail in the movie.
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    Feb 7, 2008, 7:32 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #81

    In my mind, Boba buried Jango's armor like in the Boba Fett series. (those relatively new books, taking place during the Clone Wars) And later on he found his own armor, which had been Jango's mentor's armor, Jaster Mereel. I am confident that most of the "armor damages" (including the dent) came when Jaster used the armor when he lead the mandalorians. (Read Jango Fett: Open Seasons).

    I tend to never really trust EU at all though, why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT REAL! Unless George Lucas says anything, it says so on starwars.com or is in a movie, then it's notihng more than an authors imagination and should not be taken too seriously.
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    Feb 7, 2008, 8:00 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #82

    Hey Drake that means that everytime I wear Jaster I am wearing Boba..Yeah me
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    Feb 7, 2008, 8:56 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #83

    Maybe, just maybe, boba needed some new gear, and bought a new helmet. But when he put it on, he just didnt feel 'rugged'. So he went out and found some templates, and used some epoxy and created the dent, and then using reference pictures from his last family reunion (which was a very small gathering) re-painted the helmet using Affro$ paint list.

    Topical of course.
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    Feb 7, 2008, 9:56 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #84

    Quote stellardude said: View Post
    Just my two cents on this matter.
    But, the beastie bowling Jango over in the arena was DEFINATELY intended as an explaination for Boba's dent. There was no need for the detail to be so developed in that shot otherwise.
    .
    Too bad that Jango had the dent on Kamino (before he was
    trampled on Geonosis.)



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    Feb 7, 2008, 12:41 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #85

    Since I can't see the dent(s) in my movie, I can only assume someone has played around with PhotoShop or similar? :P
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    Feb 7, 2008, 1:38 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #86

    Quote Drake said: View Post
    Since I can't see the dent(s) in my movie, I can only assume someone has played around with PhotoShop or similar? :P
    Nope - it's there. You can also see a good glimpse of it while he's on Geonosis - right when he torches Mace Windu on the balcony.
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    Feb 8, 2008, 5:58 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #87

    Well... when I'm wrong I'm wrong.... and me... I'm usually wrong! lol
    Those screen caps are not altered... I just checked by DVD looking very closely on a 50" tv.... the dent did, indeed, happen on Kamino... and it's clearly there before he even starts fighting on Geonosis.

    But the point is still the same: The helmet was intended to be the same one... otherwise there was no need to make it a continued detail throughout the movie... (and also no need to have Boba pick up the helmet at the end of the scene.... he could have easily picked up the head! lol)

    So, EU stories aside, it seems pretty clear that they intended the helmet to be the same one.
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    Feb 9, 2008, 10:50 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #88

    But the dents are SO different from eachother and in different places. Boba's look's chipped and it's on the forehead. While Jango's looks actually dented-in and near the ear.

    They're not even close to resembling eachother.

    I think it was just on of those coincodence moments - like Anakin getting his hand cut off in Ep II and Luke getting same hand chopped off in ESB.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 1:16 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #89

    Nooooo.... it is intended! Otherwise it wouldn't have been so prominent.
    The lightsaber Luke gets in ANH is bigger and has way different details than the one Anakin loses in Ep3... yet it is the SAME lightsaber.

    Just because the details are not exactly the same does not dismiss the intended foreshadowing.
    All you folks that are trying to convince yourselves otherwise are just turning a blind eye... and I'm not sure why we can't just acknowledge that this, like a lot of other details from the prequels, is an obvious nod to the original trilogy. It's got the same reminiscent feel that the other details have too.

    And (I'm going to plays devil's advocate here) who says that Boba's paint on his helmet is painted OVER Jango's? Maybe that's not silver showing THROUGH the paint! Maybe that's the silver that's left after the Blue and stuff chipped off?! Maybe JANGO painted over the ORIGINAL green and red, lol! Boba obviously doesn't know how to take care of his stuff! Look at that ROTJ blaster, for example! (I'm just playing with you all now)
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    Feb 10, 2008, 4:04 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #90

    They are two completely different helmets in shape, size, etc. The dents are in two completely different places, the dents are two completely different shapes. I can assure you that it was not foreshadowing, and that the only reason they dented Jango's helmet was because homage was being paid to the Stormtrooper that bumped his head on the doorway as in EPIV.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 9:25 AM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #91

    I don't know how this will weigh in, but in those Young Boba Fett books, there is a passage about someone helping Boba get Jaongo's armor and resizing it to fit Boba. So it's very possible that Boba started off with Jango's armor to begin with, then outgrew it (since it was resized), and had to acquire a new set.

    And didn't Jango get a new dent when he got ran over in the Geonosis arena?

    This all just goes to show you that with dozens of different authors, across multiple mediums, over the course of 20 years, there are going to be many stories. With the only criteria of canonism being "in a Lucas-authorized publication", they are technically all canon and we just have to pick the one we like and go with it.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 12:04 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #92

    Why do people ignore what the previous posts say?
    Yes, Jango hitting his head is an homage to the stormtrooper from ANH.. but that's not where the dent came from. (It came earlier in that scene!)

    And size matters not! (nor does shape)... as I said: Other props and costumes that made their way from the prequels to the orginal trilogy are NOT the same shape or size either! Eg. Anakin's Ep3/Luke's ANH lightsaber!

    This is meant to be the same Helmet/dent! It's not a concindence! They don't have those in Star Wars! Every frame is intended to be specific! If Lucas intended to give Jango a dent (almost) exactly the same as Boba's in the original trilogy, he wouldn't have done it saying "let's just give him a dent too.... in his COMPLETELY DIFFERENT helmet".... he would more likely say "Let's give him a dent so we can explain where Boba's dent came from"
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    Feb 10, 2008, 12:10 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #93

    Quote stellardude said: View Post
    Why do people ignore what the previous posts say?
    Yes, Jango hitting his head is an homage to the stormtrooper from ANH.. but that's not where the dent came from. (It came earlier in that scene!)

    And size matters not! (nor does shape)... as I said: Other props and costumes that made their way from the prequels to the orginal trilogy are NOT the same shape or size either! Eg. Anakin's Ep3/Luke's ANH lightsaber!

    This is meant to be the same Helmet/dent! It's not a concindence! They don't have those in Star Wars! Every frame is intended to be specific! If Lucas intended to give Jango a dent (almost) exactly the same as Boba's in the original trilogy, he wouldn't have done it saying "let's just give him a dent too.... in his COMPLETELY DIFFERENT helmet".... he would more likely say "Let's give him a dent so we can explain where Boba's dent came from"
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    Feb 10, 2008, 12:39 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #94

    Quote CombatBaby said: View Post
    I don't reckon I follow you
    Sorry? Which part?

    I was just making a point that they wouldn't have given Jango even a "similar" dent unless they intended it to be the same one, as a nod to the original trilogy.

    The idea is that, yes it looks a little different in size and shape to Boba's but so do other items in the movies that are intended to be the same item, from movie to movie. That's why I used the Anakin/Luke lightsaber as a comparison. Same lightsaber... different size and details from one movie to the next.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 10:28 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #95

    If you look at the dent, and you think about the battle between Vader and Fett... didnt Vader hit him on the helmet with the end of his saber hilt? I mean, being as he has robotic/superhuman strength, he could have done that kind of damage to a durasteel helm. Just a thought...
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    Feb 10, 2008, 10:58 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #96

    You decide....VS
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    Feb 10, 2008, 11:21 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #97

    I think if Lucas wanted to point to Jango's dent being the same as Boba he would have done a better job of showing how Jango's dent happened, and the dents would have looked the same. After all Jango's helmet was made from scans of a Boba helmet, so they did have access to the helmet to use as reference - if needed.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 11:22 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #98

    Quote spartan791 said: View Post
    If you look at the dent, and you think about the battle between Vader and Fett... didnt Vader hit him on the helmet with the end of his saber hilt? I mean, being as he has robotic/superhuman strength, he could have done that kind of damage to a durasteel helm. Just a thought...
    Vader never fought Boba Fett.... remember... if it didn't happen in the movies... it didn't really happen.

    Thanks for the pictures Silver Fett... but again, I make my point... different movie... different prop.... same intended helmet!
    If you guys really need it in order to understand what I'm getting at, I will post some pictures of Anakin's Ep3 lightsaber and Luke's ANH lightsaber to emphasize what I mean!
    The dent might be in a slightly different spot and be a slightly different shape.... but it IS intended to be the same helmet!
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    Feb 10, 2008, 11:24 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #99

    Quote ItsThatGuy said: View Post
    I think if Lucas wanted to point to Jango's dent being the same as Boba he would have done a better job of showing how Jango's dent happened, and the dents would have looked the same. After all Jango's helmet was made from scans of a Boba helmet, so they did have access to the helmet to use as reference - if needed.
    P.S. AGAIN... luke's lightsaber is not exactly the same as Anakin's... and they have access to TONS of Graflex flash tubes! Couldn't they have made Anakin's look exactly the same as it did in ANH too?

    The intention IS there.
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    Feb 10, 2008, 11:44 PM - Re: Origin of The Dent! #100

    The exact same prop was used for Darth Maul's half saber as was used for Mace Windu's lightsaber in EP2, did Mace steal Maul's saber and replace the crystal inside? I don't think so. Just because something is remotely close in this mixed up universe doesn't mean the pieces fit together.

    Sure they dented Jango's helmet, but if they intended it to be the same dent, they would have put it in the same general area.

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