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Discussion on Origin of The Dent! within the Boba Fett Helmet forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; Is too... Is not... Is too... Is not... Shut up,
Is too... Is not... Is too... Is not... Shut up, my dad can beat up your dad... Nuh uh... Yes huh... Nuh uh... Yes huh...
If it were up to me EP I - III wouldn't be considered canon. They really don't fit all that well with IV-VI in the first place.
Well thats not right....Because Jodo Kast isn't dead!!!Btw, Boba killed Jodo Kast after the incident with the Sarlaac.
I think it all comes down to GL not caring, and you guys making a big deal about it.
But it IS true... not everything in Star Wars looks the same from movie to movie... but is intended to be the same items. The lightsaber example is just the most immediate thing I could think of.
I just think everybody is trying to make it more difficult that really is... trying to "nerd" explain every little difference. We all sound like the Comic Book guy from the Simpsons right about now.
(P.S. for the record, they used that Maul lightsaber design for LOTS of lightsabers... it was probably just easy to recycle)
as far as where the armor came from... we'll probably find out soon enough.
the databank says:
"During the time of the Empire, Boba Fett emerged as the preeminent bounty hunter of the galaxy. Boba Fett's armor, like his father's, is a battered weapon-covered spacesuit equipped with a jet pack. His gauntlets contain a flamethrower, and a whipcord lanyard launcher. His kneepads conceal rocket dart launchers. Several ominous braids hang from his shoulder -- trophies from fallen prey -- that underscore this hunter's lethality. "
Like his fathers, ... which at the moment is what the databank says lol, kinda seems to say it isnt his dads.
wow...read everything here and still I have a question.
In your opinion if Boba Fett is wearing his "own" armor/helmet do you think he would have kept jango fetts armor as a keep sake?
IMO I think he would have. I also think he would have a collection of other armor and weapons and yes even a spare helmet or two..i.e ESB compared to ROTJ
your comments would be appreciated.
Makes you think though!
(But I still hold by my theory that it's the same helmet with the same dent... just not exact continuity between movies.... even between ESB and ROTJ... the details are almost exactly the same, for the purpose of the movies... maybe not for anal retentive fans like us, lol)
we'll know more than likely , when the show comes out. it be kinda cool if it was his dads helmet , maybe he tried to hammer out the dent and thats why it got edges lol. maybe he did hammer the dent out... and vader gave him a new one and told him to keep it as a reminder lol if he hammered it out he'd get the blade end next time.
There is little or no continuity between any of the Star Wars movies... the lightsabers look different... the costumes are different.... heck even Mark Hamill's FACE is different (lol).
I still think it's the same helmet from movie to movie.... I might be wrong, but we each have our reason for believing.... mine seems to be the "movie making" opinion... and everyone else's (or so I've been TOLD) is that, because it doesn't look EXACTLY the same from Jango to Boba, from ESB to ROTJ... it MUST be a different helmet.
The only reason I ask about "extra armor" is the fact that I am in the middle of a major film project including everyones favorite bounty hunter.
I have scheduled a scene were Boba opens up an equipment box/locker and in it is Jango's helmet and assorted gauntlets, guns, and jet packs.
Figured I'd ask here on this forum seeing as everyone is Fett Nutty here
One other point that would back up my idea is look at the jet pack Jango had blow up on him in ATOC....it was the same coloring scheme as the one Boba uses in ROTJ
Sure I am positive that a lot as mentioned has something to do with continuty...I mean hell look at Bobas pack when he is talking to Rystall...it has the vibro axe damage.
I need to know if boba fett shaves his chest.
I want to be cannon.
its not the same armor or helmet
"Early Imperial era (19–0 BBY)
"Everyone dies. It is the final and only ever lasting justice."
For years to come, Fett's reputation grew among bounty hunters and assassins. Boba continued to acquire and upgrade pieces of Mandalorian armor. It is said he had at least three complete sets of armor from which to use, one of which was mostly left in the Sarlacc pit. Eventually he found the Mandalorian armor of Jango's old mentor and leader, Jaster Mereel. Along with his new green and red armor, he had honed his skills as an assassin and mercenary, which would one day make him the most feared and sinister bounty hunter in the Galaxy. "
it is hard to say it any of his armor belonged to Jango.....i dout it because jango's armor was cut down to fit B. Fett at a much younger age..........[/B]
"In gratitude, the two had Jango Fett's body armor re-sized to fit the young Boba's frame. This couldn't have come at a better time, since Jabba was about to give him his first off-world assignment."
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So we have a stalemate... right?
If we follow the movie intentions, it could very well be Jango's helmet.
If we follow the EU stuff, it definately is NOT Jango's (although the helmet could still be... you can't cut a helmet down to be smaller)
It's all opinion I suppose.
I feel very strongly about the movie intentions trumping the EU stuff, but I have a feeling it's something that's going to be left completely ambiguous, officially. (i.e. if we has GL himself, he'd probably grin that sly grin and say "what do you think?")
its in the books and it makes sence..... boba would have altered his own gear to fit him the way he needed and as you see in ESB and ROTJ helmets dont match nor do his gauntlets nor dose the colors
3 diffrent helmets also in the books it is said how he earned his armor from the mandalors
But for the sake of argument, everything from ESB to ROTJ matches ALMOST perfectly... with the exeption of the colours (guess ol' Boba can paint). The only real difference is the Gauntlets and they are pretty much the same exept for the flame thrower... (which probably broke off the the original prop so the prop shop had to make a new one for ROTJ)
Fett has several sets of armor.
Fett had saved his dad's (key word saved as a memorial) think about it folks..you just watched your Dad have his head cut off...you gonna scoop the bits out and start wearing that bucket?? I don't think so..I know I wouldn't.
Fett has one ship..."THE" Slave 1. We saw it in ATOC right up to ESB..different markings yes, modifications sure...but same ship.
That these were movies FIRST... and it's proven that George Lucas' movie stuff trumps anything else out there.
Would you not agree that a lot of things in the prequels are done as nods to the original trilogy? Why is it so hard to accept that it SEEMS to be intended that Jango's helmet is the one being used by Boba, and that's why they made it look (almost) exactly the same... and then put a dent in it, in almost the same spot?
Who knows... if I'm going to get all EU on you guys here... maybe the helmet is like a soda can! You know... the kind that you fiddle with and accidently dent... then you try to get the dent out and it just keeps moving around to make new dents... and you move it around and try to get the dent out so much, that you settle on the tiny dent that seems to be the smallest?
Maybe that's what happened with Boba... he tried to get that bigger dent (that's a bit further back on the helmet) out, and it kept making more dents... and by the time he finished trying to get it out, it was a smaller, rounder, dent... closer to the front of the helmet?
How's THAT for my own imagination?!
Ok your other ideas were a lot more plausible than that... I'll at least give that much.
As DMZ stated - we do know he used Slave 1. Also we assume Jango's Kamino pack was the same one that Boba used in ROTJ (color scheme was the same, except Boba's had lots more weathering). So it would be plausible that Boba did take ONE OF Jango's helmets - but I just cannot accept the one with the dent ended up being Boba's.
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Good stuff, man.... if we can't laugh about it, it's not entertainment, right?
But I'm pretty sure I know what George Lucas intended... because I AM GEORGE LUCAS! (didn't see that coming, eh?.... kidding of course... I have plaid wearing security guards at my door as we speak... ready to lash me with bamboo, for such blasphemy)
I just can't ignore what seems so intentional in the movies... I might be wrong... we might ALL be wrong! We'll either never now because it will remain shrouded in mystery... or, one day, we will get some sort of concrete explanation! (a la SW TV series)
so wait the books cant be true ("EU" or what ever you call it) but some TV shows will be better.....do you not know what copyright laws are the books could not have ANY from of star wars stuff in it unless the maker reads and approves of the story line...so weather G. Lucas wrote the books or not...him and his people agreed to let that be the story line....lets say i was to write a book talking about what Han Solo did in the time period in Between ANH and ESB i would have to make it fit around things mentioned in the movies (EX:Han and the bounty hunter on Ormandel) or G Lucas would not give me rights to publish the books because come time for new movies (if there ever will be) there can be law suit issues.
He has his hand in producing the TV show... so it's his (just like the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are his and Spielberg's, but neither one wrote or directed those).
It's all opinion... and I stand my my "Film Intention" theory. You don't have to believe me, but it fits the mould of the other movie details.
for that dent to be true the placing is all off.... maybe its a father like son theory boba got a dent like his father did.......the dent is in the wrong area about an inch and a half off...the maker of it would have noticed that right off....also why is there no Blue in Boba's helmet.....its obvious he painted the helmet and armor a few times b4 he had gotten to the green red theme the scratches are deep enough that you should see some form of blue in it ....also why didn't he paint the dent i would think a man like boba would want to hide the fact his dad got a huge dent in hand combat with a Jedi
now comes the part well maybe he used paint remover.....well why for only the blue but no other color....i dint think that is his fathers helmet even if you go threw the books or not...he would hide it some where or would have buried his dad in it....kinda gross ripping your dads severed head out then putting it on
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on another note boba fett could be made to look like a wimp in that case of "going by movies"....boba's real legacy belongs to the books............first movie he some lil brat who sat there and watched his dad fight and then get killed......ANH he walks around doing nothing but sit with a low life crew of jabba ESB vader is the real one to have captured Han he only walks in and points a gun after Han lost his blaster....then in ROTJ he gets killed by a blind Han solo by a long stick.....with out the books he is nothing
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Fett was wimpy..he stood around and didn't do much...
cough cough..."uprising fan film.2008"..cough cough..... (things they are a changing)
I still think he has his own armor and isn't wearing Dad's. I do believe he kept Jango's though.
But what happened to Jango's range finder?
Probably a silly noob question, but I gotta know!
and speaking of his helmets...did anyone else ever notice that on at least one occasion in ROTJ...his rangefinder is on the other side of his helmet, with no explanation whatsoever as to why?
CG. Just wasn't rendered there probably.
People around these parts sure are snippy. Gee whiz.
They probably took it off so it wouldn't break then. Jango was rolling around quite a bit.
OK, so, in the Mandalorian Armor trilogy, wherein Fett escapes the Sarlaac and Dengar heals him up in a cave on Tattooine, don't they expressly state that he had a spare set of armor hidden in another cave somewhere on Tattooine, because his armor had been partly digested by Mr. Sandworm himself? Also, what about Twin Engines of Destruction, when Fett changes back out of his costume and into his armor, with Dengar partly watching him? I don't have the materials on hand, they're at my parent's house 2 hours away, so I don't mean to mudsling, but... yeah... Seems he has multiple sets of armor.
He had 3+ suits at a time if I'm correct. Some of this is discussed in the Han Solo trilogy.
Who was making that Jango bucket with the dent?
Two sets of armour with the exact same dents in the exact same places? It's just a movie.
anyone else wondering why Jango's head doesn't pop out of the helmet when Boba picks it up... that would be creapy.
Fett Has many sets of armor. It can't be the same as jango's if he did have it resized he wouldn't fit it any more duh. Jango's armor was jasters since he recovered it when jaster was killed and had it when he was mandalore after the supercommandos we're murdered he got new armor which was not beskar, but duraplast as was Boba's seeing as beskar is pretty well indestructible, it wouldn't dent. Boba repaints his armor as well as seen in esb and rotj and holiday special. His armor is a version of the protectors not supercommandos like jango's is. He modifies his armor according to his needs. I belive Boba got his armor when he became a Journeyman Protector of Concord Dawn. Which is where he used Jaster's name so we think he had Jaster's armor, but he didn't. Most mandalorians who don't live on mandalore(the planet) don't have beskar armor. Any more questions?
Oh someone answered the jango head question.
THIS IS MY TAKE ON THE DENT... it is very simple... its safe to say we all have Fett buckets of our own, and if some of you dont, I bet you at least wore one at least a few times... YOU HAVE SEVERE TUNNEL VISION!! I think Lucas even reemphasized the problem with Jango hitting his head on the slave one. It is as simple as that... I would bet dollars to donuts that they hit their heads a couple times a day...
Best pic I can find without getting the comic itself.
"Enemy of the Empire, 4 of 4"
Boba's Gaunt missle/laser, whatever its being called these days is deflected back and swack! Right in the noggin.
Oh yeah.....and my Mom can beat up your Mom !!!!!
Reading this feels like watching a tennis match, back and forth, back and forth. Love the debate though. Even if GL or another approved project explicitly states the origin, how many sets of armor, and whose armor Boba has and wears, I think it will always be a matter of acrimonious contention. I gave up overthinking the issue and when someone asks where did the dent come from....it is never an easy answer. Well some say....... For costuming purposes origin really doesn't matter..does it? However I can relate to anyone who has quested to find out everything they can about the galaxies most feared bounty hunter. The beautiful thing about the origin of the dent and armor is that there are so many possibilities and therefore it is up to each person to choose for themselves what they decide to believe to be the actual legacy. In the end....It is what it is - The Dented Helmet. How would an appearance of Boba in tv, cinema, print with his green color scheme and NO dent affect the community? The Non-Dented Helmet?
its when obi-wan headbutts him. this is common knowledge come on guys I thought you knew all this.
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What if it's a nother Mandalorian with armor that looks very much like
Boba's and his dent was from rolling a one some were, some time.
And they got helmets mixed up at a bar
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Okay, this is a dead thread that has just been revived probably accidentally, but I have just read through the bulk of it and a few points occurred to me that nobody seems to have considered. One thing for sure, the origin of the dent is not clear, nor is it important. Now this is just my opinion, but the more the origin remains a mystery, the better the character of Boba Fett is to me. In the context of the original films, the damage to his armor is there simply to suggest >visually< a character with a substantial history. Nothing more or less than that. Now beyond that, let's consider one obvious flaw of logic that Jango's helmet and Boba's helmet are the same helmet with the dent originating with Jango. Obviously Boba gave the helmet a repaint if it was originally Jangos'. Now for the dent to show up with chipped paint and damaged and burn marks like it is in ESB, he would've either had to paint around the original dent and then chip the paint and add other marks on top of the new paint job to make it look like the paintjob preceded the dent, or he would've had to taken a blow to the helmet in the exact same spot that would've damaged the new paintjob so that there was no paint in the dent anymore. Both of these explanations seem extremely implausible. The real problem here (as has been pointed out before) is that the storytellers and the prop people were not at all concerned with matching details so that there would be a logically consistent storyline as to the history of Boba's helmet. For crying out loud, how can you explain Boba repainting his helmet between ESB and ROTJ but still have paint chipped away from the dent as if it had been blasted yet again? Was his primer really that bad in that one spot every repaint? I think what this means is that, in essence, even though it makes no logical sense based on the details of the films, the Jango helmet was >storywise< meant to be the Boba helmet, just as the ESB helmet and the ROTJ helmet were meant to be the same helmet, not a new or repainted helmet. The reality is, there is so much going on making a movie like this, details like this are just too minuscule for there to have enough of an effort surrounding them to make them hold up to any logical scrutiny 10 to 30 years later. Especially when the main storyteller, GL, goes back and tinkers with everything and mucks it all up without respecting his own creation. I think anyone is free to adhere to whatever line of logic they wish for the dent's origin. For me, I don't want to know the backstory of the dent. Or -- I do, but... not really. Just as I found out after finally getting through Episode III, I didn't really want to know the back story to the original trilogy after all.
I'll disagree in part. Leaving out the size and symmetry issues, and allowing for Boba to have stripped the blue off completely before repainting the helmet... As those in this community who have done so can attest, making an impression/casting of the Boba dent is simplicity itself, as is marking the position on the helmet dome. It's actually the same dent as in Threepio's head. They probably either took a positive from that, or still had the original "dent stamper" that they'd used for Threepio. They have at least six Boba helmets in the LFL Archives, all of which have identical dents. No excuse to not have the dent in the same place and be the same size and shape if they'd wanted it to be the same helmet. It's an homage to the Boba crater, nothing more.
I can go with Boba having multiple gauntlets and capes and gloves and weapons and rocketpacks, but it stretches believablity as far as the damage and scuffing to the other armour plates and helmet being so nearly identical between versions. The physical damage was cast in, and one person painted four of the helmets so identically that LFL screwed up and sent the wrong one to Master Replicas for reproduction, and the other person painted three more very similarly in their own right -- both to each other and the other four. I can get behind Boba having multiple sets of armour, but -- accessories aside -- what we saw in ESB and ROTJ were supposed to be the same suit. And that suit wasn't Jango's. The helmet's different, the armour plates are different, the flak vest is different, the bodysuit is different, the girth belt is different, the boots are different, the gloves are different... And all drastically so. Much moreso than between versions of Boba, for the most part.
As for the material itself... Beskar is the indigenous term for what the outer galaxy calls Mandalorian iron. It is apparantly very strong, very hard to work properly to attain its maximum benefits, and very resistant to lightsabers. I do not personally subscribe to the "impervious super-metal" twaddle bandied about both on the internet and in various EU sources. I know people will yell at me for bringing real-world stuff into SW, but tough. If it is an iron isotope, many of its properties have to already be known, since we know how iron behaves. I won't get into a dissertation on how lightsabers likely work, from the observed phenomena, but if beskar is lightsaber-resistant, then it's probably got a lot of free electrons in its crystalline structure. And the mysterious metalworking skills of the Mandalorian smiths probably retained most or all of those. In order to not oxidize/rust, it would have to be alloyed or amalgamated with other elements. Steel, for instance, is an amalgam of iron and carbon. It still rusts. Stainless steel has traces of chromium and nickel and other non-oxidizing metals mixed in to make it resistant to rusting. Those smiths conjecturally manage to make an alloy or amalgam with beskar that retains all its properties whilst still making it strong and resistant to oxidation.
However, no metal I know of -- pure, alloy, or amalgam -- is utterly rigid and insulating. No matter what you have to work with, if it's light enough and thin enough to form and wear as these plates are worn, something somewhere will be able to dent, cut, melt, or penetrate it. The function of armour is to deflect, absorb, dissipate, ablate, and otherwise minimize damage. The best defense is always to simply not be there when the blow lands, but, failing that, reduction is good. I personally believe there's a lot more to the Mandalorian armour than the plates we see on the surface. Like an inner pressure/thermal suit with anti-ballistic properties, a flightsuit made out of armorweave or some such, ditto the flak vest, and that the torso and joint plates are just an extra outer layer of even more protection. I've always felt it did Boba a disservice to say he had ****** armour because it was all dented. I'd rather say how awesome he was to have always walked away from whatever the heck did that to Mandalorian iron (or an alloy thereof). Plus, you have to remember that even if the armour didn't dent, the kinetic energy would still be transmitted unless some ablative properties are in effect. Doesn't matter if you have the most impenetrable armour in the galaxy if taking a round from a turbolaser pulverizes your ribs and spine and turns your internal organs to paté.
Back to Jango and his dent, to finish. Continuity of that dent is a shambles. It isn't there on the CG stand-in. It's there on most of the live shots, but not all, and there's no rhyme or reason to which shots it's in. Because of this, and how early it first appears, I like to say it was there before the movie even started. Perhaps sustained whilst training the ARC Troopers.
oh, then good.
Okay, first of all, the dent could not have been caused by something like a knock on the head or being hit with something BECAUSE I do beloeve that the mandolorian helmets were made out of either durasteel or mandalorian iron which are very strong. Plus, I think that boba's armor is the same as jango's because the mandalores passed down the mandalores helmet and both jango and boba were mandalores.
yes I agree.
Plus, clearly Boba picks up jango's helmet at the end of the clone wars (obviously) now what is he going to do with now, sell it on ebay?! It's obviously the same!
Now hold on, he could just stow it away somewhere. We'll just have to wait and see what he does after the CW episodes pan out.
The rangefinder probably broke off. A dent in the helmet would probably be permanent but a broken rangefinder could easily be replaced and it probably was.
Why the heck would he simply put a helmet on a shelf that was=made out of mandalorian iron or durasteel which are VERY expensive and sought after, probably had hours and hours spent making it, and was a ritualistic thing that could put him in charge of all the mandalorians in the galaxy. Would you put that on a shelf?
NO. The person that would is an IDIOT.
You couldn't have said it better
This is why I said we have to see what Feloni changes in the Clone Wars.
Not that I agree with you, but are you saying that boba used multiple helmets through his life? Why on earth would he do that. And are you also suggesting that boba had durasteel and jango had mando iron?
According to the Legacy of the Force series, he always wore durasteel because his best friend (imagine that for a second) tells him he doesn't understand why he would still want to be wearing his old inferior durasteel set when they can make him a new set out of their new iron cache. He even goes so far as to tell Boba that if it's for sentimental reasons, they can "paint" the dents and scratches on it.
He does eventually give in and accept new Mando iron armor complete with neck and the full Jango-style leg plates.
As for multiple helmets, it is written in several sources that he carries multiple sets aboard SLAVE 1. That deceased "nobody" Jodo's now being one of them.
yeh that...he got jangos stuff shrunk down didnt he and thus it wouldnt fit a full grown Boba
LOL it doesn't matter, Lucas and his team is just going to retcon the whole thing anyway, eventually Boba won't even HAVE a dent, it'll turn out it's a satellite dish painted like a dent so he can watch Married With Children reruns in his helmet while pretending to stand guard for Jabba.
Vader has four different helmets. Boba has two different armours. The greeble on Boushh' shoes is the same as on the biker scouts arms, which again is a greeble taken from a toy version of Vaders tie fighter. There are tons of examples of things that doesn't look "right", and I think that is proof enough that the prop people from the movies aren't necessary as addicted to details as us. I think the dent on Jangos helmet is supposed to be the same as the one on Bobas helmet, if not, they would have placed it different.
doesn't jango not have the dent when he is killed on geonosis?
he had a dent on his helmet on geonosis not that it matters for boba dent
You're right for once. JK. It is in a far different place.
*sigh* It is also smaller than Boba's helmet, and the visor frame/cheekbone line is curved instead of quasi-faceted. Not gonna post spoilers, but hopefully Friday's episode will lay this matter to rest for good.
I'll also reinforce the whole ESB/ROTJ/stunt = supposed to be the same helmet, continuity issues aside. I do, however, also think he'd be prepared enough to have at least one (cleaner and dent-free) backup helmet on Slave I as well as a collection of backup armour plates and weapons systems. I'll go so far as to say he pulled out a different set of gauntlets, different rocketpack, different cape, and different blaster when the events in Jabba's palace unfolded, but that the rest of his kit was supposed to be the same armour as in ESB.
is ther anyway to still find the enemy of the empire comics?
Peregrinus, you have a point, Jango was a mandalore so he probably had gotten multiple helmets just in case. But wait, shouldn't he just have the mandalores helmet. And also, wasn't the mandalores helmet made out of mandalorian iron which is more or less invinceble? (I hear it's even lightsaber proof.)
It seems that no one has posted recently so this message should get the thread to the top of the list.
Well alliteratively speaking we can look at Jango's dent and think "hey thats a coincidence, doesnt boba have the same dent?" Little details like that, while probably not the foremost thought of the designers, is infact part of the "LORE" of Star Wars and is more than likely to be thought of during production and post production. Jango's dent is there to either "remind us" of his link to boba and show that he may be fighting for more than just a bounty, he has what he considers a "son" to look out for. Or it could be there to remind us that Boba will one day wear the armor like his fathers that may even be part of his fathers armor, the dent in Boba's helmet may be considered a "tribute" to his father's legacy.
This could explain why the dent is placed in nearly the same place on every version of teh armor Boba wears.
Hows that for a retcon?
I just had a thought...... What if boba got the dent on just some random battle that has no specific meaning? What if he was simply shot in the head by some drunk in a bar on Nar Shadaa?
well according to the clone wars episode I guess this can be put to bed, since Jangos helmet became a two piece in the explosion
but now where did he get the dent from is the question...
Interestingly, my Jango Two-Piece comes apart the other way.
not down the middle you mean
I have not seen the last hour of the finale but from what I've heard, compounded with the destruction ( and I don't care what the pro-retconners say) of the Mandalorians, I have lost a lot of faith in the show. I did used to think it was at least better than any of the prequels but this may soon change.
It was OK at best...It was the only episode I caught all season. Wife was flipping channels last night and it said season finale and boba fett...and she knew to leave the channel where it was, lol.
WHAT TV SHOW?!?! Sorry, I don't have cable =(
clone wars on cartoon netwrk