Discussion on Origin of The Dent! within the Boba Fett Helmet forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; My son was sick today, and we've watched Episode II
My son was sick today, and we've watched Episode II twice now. I don't know how I missed it before, but it's right there. They show the helmet getting dented. And not in an Expanded Universe kind of way.
I am now convinced Boba takes Jango's helmet for his own. The helemt clearly gets dented in the arena when the three horned beast bowls him over!
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I was sure excited noticing it for the first time!
I have also read/heard that the helmet recieved its dent when Jango goes aboard Slave1 after his fight with "Ben" and hits his head on the opening on the walk way heading into the ship.
But I have also read that the dent came from Bobas fight with Vader in a EU book(not sure what the title is)
I might be wrong,just sharring what I hase read/heard
Jango's dent is different than Boba's Dent. Jango's helmet is also different than Boba's. It was from Vader.
OHHHHHHHHH..thank you for the clairfication..my apologizes.Like proably many, I figured Boba used Jangos helmet and armor.
I'd have to say that if I were using a helmet that could be dented by walking into a hatchway. . .
I'd go out to Mando-Mart and get me a new helmet!
Nope, I believe the Star Wars Universe says that Boba Fett wear's Jaster Mereel's armour. Not sure though.Originally Posted by LOPERO
But when Boba's fighting Jaster in the comic isn't he already wearing armor?
I guess I'm of the school that the movies trump everything else. I don't really get into any of the EU stuff. I don't see the dent before the beast hits him, and it's clearly there afterwards.
As for it being "different" than Boba's, that just might be details. I doubt Lucas obsessed over the absolute details like dent placement and size like we do. He knew he needed a dent on the left front side, so he put one there.
Like father - like son.
Sorta like Luke lost is right hand - just like his Vader did (well actually Vader lost all of his other limbs, eventually, but you understand what I am getting at)
That's Jodo Kast.
Enemy of the Empire.
You saw wrong then. He got the dent just after he launches the jet pack misile's in Kamino while fighting with obi wan. Watch it again, or look for screenshots.
Anyone else think we'll get an answer for this in the new live-action series?
Charlie
Well thats how everything is in SW!!!!I'd have to say that if I were using a helmet that could be dented by walking into a hatchway. . .
I'd go out to Mando-Mart and get me a new helmet!
You have a guy in white armor from head to toe and yet one blaster bolt. Gone.
Don't even get me started on the armor not being able to withstand rocks and sticks from "teddy bears"
And TIE fighters? I'd almost rather fly around in an eggshell!!
That's what TIE fighters are! Twin Ion Eggshell!Well thats how everything is in SW!!!!
You have a guy in white armor from head to toe and yet one blaster bolt. Gone.
Don't even get me started on the armor not being able to withstand rocks and sticks from "teddy bears"
And TIE fighters? I'd almost rather fly around in an eggshell!!
Charlie
TI-9818: No Shields, All Guts!
I have to agree with superjedi. If Fett's bucket could get a dent from walking into something then he's wearing tin foil.
In the new eu books, its revealed that boba's armour is junk. It wasnt made from very good ore. His daughter is told, perhaps by skirata, I cant remember 'When your father dies take his flamethrower for yours, his armours junk' roughly.
That being said the armour he is using isnt actually his armour. It was taken from someone (again forgot name, probably Jodo Kast, ive read all of the ANH Forward books) that was using the armour to impersonate boba fett and collect big bounties. This happened in the bounty hunter series I believe, right after he escaped the sarlac with his armour cooked off.
The premise in the current series of books is that mandalore was strip mined and bombed from space by the empire, for its super hard, super light ore, the ore used in mando armour. That was what caused the scattering and desdtruction to the mandalore culture.
I could have sworn in the starwars wiki, when it talks about bobas life that it says quite clearly he took his fathers armour and had it re-sized. I can not remember them specifically mentioning the helmet.
----------------- wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/boba_fett -------------
venturing on his own to begin his career at an early age, already making modifications to both the Slave I and the Mandalorian armor inherited from his father and his father's mentor, Jaster Mereel.
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The problem with the wiki, is it doesnt clearly identify cannon and non cannon points, and they sort of run together.
Anyway im assuming the 'created facts' are somewhere in the middle of all of this. There are plenty of things that I dont get.
I watched both sequences shot-by-shot on my computer, and the dent wasn't there on the top of Jangos helmet when he was holding it on the balcony on Utapau over-looking the arena. But when he stands up after the horned beast attempts to run him over, there it is.
The sequence on Kamino when Jango bumps his head entering Slave1, was done in tribute to episode four when the stormtrooper bangs his head on the bottom of the door entering the control room. They could've easily edited out the trooper hitting his head, but instead left it and merely added the radio static sound to mask the "clunk" of his helmet hitting the door. 8)
Last edited by Jango72; 10-06-2007 at 06:17 AM.
Perhaps a screen shot will clear this up.
Looks like a different dent than on Boba's.
Boba Fett's armor wasn't beskar like Jango's. In fact, in the LOTF series, Boba starts thinking about his father's armor, and how he should have taken it as his own, or at least parts of it. And yes, Boba's armor was indeed ****. Most Mandalorians wouldn't even be seen wearing it. But, as he was wearing it more to honor his father than because he was a Mandalorian (he wasn't then), he didn't care, as he felt that if he got hit, he deserved whatever happened to him from it.
^Was it ever said why it wasnt Beskar like jango's? Or why he wouldnt just resize jango's armor?
um... what's beskar?
it seems like whatever kind of blast or impact to dent a mandalorian helmet would be enough to snap someones neck...how did vader give him the dent according to EU?
Boba and Vader fought on Sullest, Boba blasts Vader, Vader deflects the bolt and hits Boba's helmet.
yeah it seems that something like that would snap someones neck...but thats just what i think
Remember guys... this isn't real..
if anyones debating the most, its you, GCN
still, what's beskar? i'm not familiar with that.
If I have my info correct, it's the type of metal traditional Mandalorian armor was made from.
No need to get rowdy here. I'm not the one debating on whether a blasterbolt to a helmet would snap someone's neck. I'm just talking about the storylines, not real world situations affecting the EU.
just ask lucas im shure he knows! lol
OK, so here's the deal on Boba Fett's armor outside of the movies. After Return of the Jedi when he blasted his way out of the Sarlacc & was nursed back to health by Neelah, Denger & the comedy medical droids, Fett went to one of his secret hiding places in the desert & replaced all the parts of his Mandalorian armor destroyed/acid digested by the Sarlacc with bits & pieces from other sets of Mandalorian armor.
I believe that at one time he did have a resized set of his father's armor, it's just that thru his years as a Bounty Hunter he's also collected & hoarded other sets of Mandalorian armors. There is Jodo Kast's gear, but there is also the implication that Boba Fett has ...
a) taken bounties on other Mandalorians & taken their armors(Fenn Shysa, Tobi Daala & the remnants of the True Mandalorians/Deathwatch that formed the Mandalorian Protectorate)
b) found & murdered Mandalorian nomads who were wandering the galaxy & taken their armors.
c) anonymously joined Fenn, Tobi & Spar-02's Mando Protectorate & given Mandalorian armors & parts.
d) Made blueprints of his father's original armor & then replaced his damaged parts over his years as a Bounty Hunter with replica pieces made from Durasteel.
Seriously, I think that he shoulda filled that stupid dent in!
george lucas doesn't even know what a twi'lek is.
and i still don't know what beskar is! stop ignoring me and someone tell me WHAT IT IS!!!!
yea what is beskar?
Go back and reread Ordo Te'skot's message. It's the material Mandalorian armor is made from. I believe the armor itself is called beskar'gam.
oh jeez... i didn't even see that post. whoops!
it was hiding in there, like a ninja!
Y'see, beskar'gam, dikut, ner vod & words like that are part of the new Mandalorian language that Karen Traviss, author of the Republic Commando novels, developed for LFL. It's a real complicated language & even tho I consider myself somewhat of a hardcore Fandalorian, I just haven't bothered to even try & learn it other than a word here or there. People are learning it tho, there's Klingon comparisons going around & it's muy geeky to talk to each other in Mando'a in public. Still more power to the geeks inside for those that're learning it.
http://karentraviss.com/html/cont_newmandoa.htm
Beskar is lightsaber-resistant metal that's only found on Mandalore. The Mandalorians use it to make their armor out of. Boba didn't use it as he wasn't a real Mandalorian, and in addition, didn't have the funds when he first started bounty hunting. He didn't use his father's armor because he was ten at the time, and he had no way to transport the armor that was far too big for him and probably rather heavy. Remember, he had to fight his way out of the arena using only his dad's blaster pistols and his own skill. He made it to someone from the Seperatists who recognized him, and helped him bury his father. Boba felt that it would be dishonourable to take his father's armor, in addition to impractical (it wouldn't have fit without massive resizing). He did, however, replicate it with his own duraplast armor (not durasteel), several suits of which he went through in his lifetime. However, by the time of LOTF, his armor was durasteel, as he was using parts from Jodo Kast's armor, which was durasteel instead of duraplast.
well, I know that there was a series of books (thin books mind you) that were directed towards a younger audience, and it was about Boba. In that series, he took Jango's armor and helmet, and it got dented by Mace's saber butt. I know that I've seen pieces of those books mentioned on Wiki, like Grevious fighting Boba at the 2nd battle of Zagobah or something like that. Dunno how canon people think it is though.
The real origin of the dent?
His girlfriend threw an ashtray at him in a hissy fit.
Not very...SW IS FOR KIDS yeah, but those books were taking that concept a bit too far, methinks.
Didn't George already state that Boba's armor was Jango's?
No...I think it was Sintra...
Rob
"Verd ori'shya beskar'gam. - " A warrior is more than (his) armor" (Mandalorian proverb)
wait so at some point Fett uses pieces from Jodo Kast's armor? I thought he only used pieces from Jaster Mereel's armor. Since Jodo Kast was just an impersonator of Fett. At least that's what I got from what I've read. Correct me if I"m wrong or if you accidently said Kast instead of Mereel.
Forcebewitya.
Not very...SW IS FOR KIDS yeah, but those books were taking that concept a bit too far, methinks.
You've got to understand that parts of Boba Fett's life are still a mystery, us fans are given innaccurate information, rumors perpetrated by Fett himself or imagined by his aquaintences & enemies so that by the time these stories get way out here to us in a galaxy far, far away we can never completely know what is or isn't true about the man. We used to think that he was Jaster Mereel, now we think he wasn't. Who knows where he really got all of his armor pieces from? Lots think they do, most of them are wrong. The ones that are right, well there's no way to confirm it cause Fett ain't talking...
BLASPHEMY!!!
Isn't that the point of Stormtrooper armor?
I've noticed that armour never appears to actually protect people in any movie I've seen. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, King Arthur, etc, etc. It's like the armour is just for appearance. The slightest tap with a blade will cause the wearer to crumple into a lifeless heap. Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever seen a weapon glance off any movie character's armour - ever. What's up with that?
This is true, and we also have to remember that George Lucas decided to completely change Fett's background hence the change with Jaster Mereel.
Forcebewitya.
It's a good thing that Daniel Logan, a.k.a. kid Fett, is confirmed to be in the new live action Star Wars TV series. Maybe we'll get a retconned answer to the "Jango armor resized" question then.
you guys gotta understand something about laser blasts and storm trooper armor; they go together like a bullet and a kevlar vest. If a bullet hits you while wearing a kevlar vest you still get the wind knocked out of you from the force of the impact, and Just because the troopers are getting hit doesn't mean they are being killed they're probably all just very stund
(keep in mind laser blasts are way faster than bullets). and as far as STAR WARS not being reall............................................. ..........you break my heart.
no doubt, but a titanium cell phone can save queen latifa's life in that movie with steve martin. but i can quote you at least one movie where the armor caused for a glancing blow. 300, in the leonidas vs berserker scene, leonidas helmet turns a lethal blow away and he just gets a cool scratch.
Confirmed where? Can you please provide a non-hearsay source?
what about the mail that Frodo wore? Remember with the troll tried to run him thru?
It hurt it, but didn't pierce him.
Come on guys! Armor only works at the DRAMATICALLY APPROPRIATE MOMENT!what about the mail that Frodo wore? Remember with the troll tried to run him thru?
It hurt it, but didn't pierce him.
Just like the lingering hero who lives long enough to give that vital information....and the henchmen who instantly dies from a papercut...
Charlie
Well, yeah, but Frodo's mail was Methril. It's purpose was to be a special protective thing that keeps Frodo from being run through. In this case it's actually a story element, as opposed to regular armour actually doing its job. I guess the point is, unless it's somehow important to the story (Frodo's Methril, Leonida's glance off the helmet, etc.), then it ain't very often we see a character being protected by their armour. If you think about it, hobbits with little swords should not have been able to do as much damage to armoured orks as they did. It should have been more like "bonk... hmmm, that didn't do much good, uh-oh" and then we see the orc go "grrrr! splat!!" No more little hobbitses.
Anyway, looks like the discussion went a bit off topic.
I'd read here that he was going to be in it, but now that you made me check I see it's fanwank cause on Logan's blog he's only expressing interest, not confirming it. Fark! I really wanted it to be true.
I got some semi-reliable news about the live action SW TV series now coming from theforce.net by way of AICN...
TFN story
AICN
Daniel Logan will get to be Fett...if he's lucky.
Look away now if you do not want to be SPOILED!
I said look away...
You'll SPOIL your dinner...
Still curious?....
OK, here we go: (remembering that the series will be set between Episodes III and IV)
1. Pod Races will be revisited as the series will try to take in and revisit a lot in the SW universe we have come to know and love through the movies.
2. One of the Pod Racers highlighted will be a character named Thall Joben, who you may, or may not, remember from the Droids animated series.
3. We will see Rebel bases, Star Destroyers, Imperial troops, officers, undercover operatives and much more...
4. Expect to see some EU tie-ins (horray!) An example being a Rebel General with the last name Durron. Could this be the father or family member of the future Kessel slave turned Jedi, Kyp Durron?
5. We will see a character named General Papanoida who could be the very same character that George Lucas played during the Opera House scenes in Revenge of the Sith, Barron Papanoida.
6. We will see some characters from the films such as Bib Fortuna and Oola, the poor, rancor eaten, beautiful dancing Twi'lek.
7. The Death Star plans should come into play.
8. The series will go into detail with the characters and what makes them tick. Not everyone is either good or bad.
9. Look for the tone to be that of the Original Trilogy but a bit edgier.
Well, I'm exhausted. Hopefully this brings some great discussion and speculation to tide us over for a while.
Thanks to Nathan T., Ryan P. and "Infra Man" for the heads up.
UPDATE: Two more bits of juicy information not seen in the Aintitcool.com report from a very reliable, yet anonymous, source:
- They're casting for Boba Fett
- Most of the casting going on is for young actors and actresseswith the exception of a couple of middle aged actors
UPDATE #2: Not quite as exciting as the rumors above, but good to hear none the less. George Lucas himself confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that work on the live action series has gotten underway. Click here to check out the article.
Thanks to Tom D. and Richard J. for the heads up.
Blasphemy!
Btw, Boba killed Jodo Kast after the incident with the Sarlaac.
Boba isn't the only one with a dent!
True that brother.
I also noticed C3PO has a dent...
I think C3PO has a Boba Fettish
You'd think if he took his father's helmet, he would have at least painted the dent with the rest of it. Nevermind filling it in though, he went to far as to airbrush some burned edges around it! I guess Boba's all image...
I assume he did repaint the helmet to a nice pristine, factory fresh finish. I assume all the dirt, dings, scratches, etc. were hazards of the job. It just got beat up through years of use.
Armor is really for glancing blows.A 90 degree impact allows the projectile to release all of its energy. If the projectiles are solid like a bullet them they have weight, that weight is transfered to the target. If the projectile is Energy/charged particals is would not have weight..as we understand it. so Any impact would not produce recoil.and no neck brakeage. if hit at 90 degrees to the armor then the energy would be focused on that spot and burn through. It is my understanding that St armor acts like a big energy heat sinc, absorbing and dispersing it.Unlike conventional armor intended at stopping hard solid projectiles. This said the impact to Bobas helmet being on the upper radious of his was a deflection hit, and did not,or was not able to penatrate.
As far as we know, the hit was not an onscreen moment...maybe he went into a coma.
Maybe he shook his head and took a tylenol.
The world may never know.
It all makes sense now...stormtrooper armor was meant to deflect bullets!!!! Things like rocks and spears more or less bounced off the armor, but caused enough force to kill them lol!you guys gotta understand something about laser blasts and storm trooper armor; they go together like a bullet and a kevlar vest. If a bullet hits you while wearing a kevlar vest you still get the wind knocked out of you from the force of the impact, and Just because the troopers are getting hit doesn't mean they are being killed they're probably all just very stund
(keep in mind laser blasts are way faster than bullets). and as far as STAR WARS not being reall............................................. ..........you break my heart.
As for his dent, I am still with the one on fighting vader, deflecting a shot and taking one to the dome! Because Jango's helmet is different in many ways, plus the dent isn't the same between the 2. Nuff said. Boba should of upgraded to Fiberglass.
Just MHO but Boba Fett's "dent" may not be a dent. It may be a gouge in the helmet material. Using a picture from Bobamakers site (thanks) you can clearly see the sharp outer edges, as well as ridges leading to the center, this is indicative of a gouge:
A dent doesn't produce edges like that. A dent produces rounded edges and generally does not cause "sharp" lines inside the crater. See knee and chest armor dents for comparison;
I surmise that the helmet is a composite style, like current military helmets, and the damage is from a projectile/object striking the surface and removing material rather than a dent caused by absorbing impact.
The only other option would be a strike with a blunt object such as a spear, lance or object with a faceted edge. That would be the only way to get the pattern shown. This would rule out any energy/projectile weapon and leave it to a club/hand held weapon. However, the outer edge is still too sharp as that type of strike would still produce a rounded outer edge and Fett's edge is still quite "sharp".
v/r
Mike
Last edited by Desloc; 12-26-2007 at 01:46 PM.
Yeah, I always thought it looked more like an impact crater than a dent/melt/blast.
There are slugthrowers out there.
Maybe someone (however unlikely) got the drop on our intrepid hero and shot him in the face (a perennial sneaky guy trick). Given the location, the blow prolly spun his head around...painful, yes, but not fatal, or likely even incapacitating. Fett then most likely disintigrated the perpetrator (remember, Vader wasn't talking for the sound of his own voice).
Forgive me for going back to the initial question, but didnt jango have the dent before he rocketed away from dooku?
sorry guys this is going to be a long post, but this is what happened to Jango's armour
From: Boba Fett
Book 1
The Fight to Survive
by Terry Bisson
The scoop made its dump and headed back into the stalagmite city,
through an underground passage. Boba dragged his father's body off the
scrap pile and onto the rocky mesa.
The mesa seemed a better resting place. More peaceful, and certainly
more beautiful.
Boba removed his father's battle armor and set it aside. He took one
last look at the strong arms and legs that had protected him. Then, using a
broken droid arm for a shovel, Boba buried his father in a sandy grave
overlooking the desert.
The broken droid arm made a "J," and Boba found another that he bent
to make an "F." He arranged them on top of the grave.
Jango Fett. Gone but not forgotten.
Boba suddenly felt very tired. He sat down beside his father's battle
armor. He wished he had something to eat.
He shivered. The wind off the desert was cold.
Boba leaned back against the helmet and looked up at the great orange
rings that encircled the planet. It was if they were holding it in theirarms. It was a peaceful sight....
Boba slept peacefully all that night. His dreams (and he forgot them)
were of the mother he had never had, and the father he had been lucky
enough to have. He awoke in the morning, rested and surprisingly
comfortable. Then he saw that a furry sand snake had wrapped itself around
him as he slept, keeping him warm.
Startled, Boba jumped to his feet. The sand snake yelped in alarm and
slithered away in a panic.
The same one? Boba wondered.
It didn't matter. What mattered was that his job was done, for now.
His father was buried. The little grave with the JF on it was proof of
that.
Looking at it, Boba realized how much he was going to miss the father
who had protected him, guided him, watched over him - and loved him. Now he
was alone, all alone.
And for the first time, and for a long time, he wept.
CHAPTER SIXTEEN
It was time to think clearly, time to make plans. Time to swing intoaction.
First things first, Jango Fett always said.
First was taking care of the Mandalorian battle armor: the suit, the
helmet, the jet-pack, and all the weaponry. It will be yours someday, his
father had said.
But for now, Boba was too small to wear it or even carry it around. So
he cleaned it, then hid it in a small cave under a cliff. He would reclaim
it later.
Second was the black book his father had left him; or rather, the
message unit that was not-a, book.
It will tell you what you need to know.
Boba had to get back into the apartment to get it. That presented a
problem, given the chaos created by the battle that had spread from the
arena. He had been confined to quarters by his father, which meant that his
retinal print might not open the door.
Boba got the battle helmet out of the cave to bring with him, just in
case. Since Jango almost always wore it, it would contain unlocking codes.The next problem was getting into the stalagmite city. I can do it, he
thought, hearing the crash of broken droid parts being dumped below the
mesa.First load of the morning.
So far so good, thought Boba as he rode the scoop through the
underground passage. Dad would be proud.
He felt a sad thought approaching but he waved it away. There would be
time for all that later. For now, the best way to honor his father was to
learn and live by Jango Fett's code.
That would take some doing, but it would be worth it. It had been
Jango's plan for his son. Now it was Boba's plan for himself.
Carrying the battle helmet, Boba ran up the long stairs toward the
apartment. He passed only two or three Geonosians, and they hardly noticed
him.
Just my two cents on this matter.
But, the beastie bowling Jango over in the arena was DEFINATELY intended as an explaination for Boba's dent. There was no need for the detail to be so developed in that shot otherwise.
As many others have stated, the EU stuff does get trumped by any film stuff... hence many other explainations.
And, as far as screen accurate details go... Anakin's lightsaber in EpIII does not look exactly like the one passed on to Luke in EpIV.. nor does the SAME lightsaber look exactly like the one in EpV.
So Jango's Helmet is made to look just like Boba's because it's the same helmet. The screen details might not be exact from EpII to EpV (discounting the SE version) but George's intention is pretty clear.
Jango and Boba have two completely different dents in size, shape, and location.
if they can't even put the right boba fett in the special edition i don't think you can count on continuity between prequels and the OT
Again folks... you can't justify the exact details... just like many other attempts at continuity between any of the movies (forget from prequels to original trilogy... even from one original trilogy movie to the next!)
It's like saying "Han Solo's hair was not that long when he went into the carbonite.... how come it's covering his ears more in ROTJ?"
George Lucas very obviously intended the dent created in EpII to be an indication that this helmet was passed on to Boba... otherwise there would not have been that much attention payed to the detail in the movie.
In my mind, Boba buried Jango's armor like in the Boba Fett series. (those relatively new books, taking place during the Clone Wars) And later on he found his own armor, which had been Jango's mentor's armor, Jaster Mereel. I am confident that most of the "armor damages" (including the dent) came when Jaster used the armor when he lead the mandalorians. (Read Jango Fett: Open Seasons).
I tend to never really trust EU at all though, why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT REAL! Unless George Lucas says anything, it says so on starwars.com or is in a movie, then it's notihng more than an authors imagination and should not be taken too seriously.
Hey Drake that means that everytime I wear Jaster I am wearing Boba..Yeah me
Maybe, just maybe, boba needed some new gear, and bought a new helmet. But when he put it on, he just didnt feel 'rugged'. So he went out and found some templates, and used some epoxy and created the dent, and then using reference pictures from his last family reunion (which was a very small gathering) re-painted the helmet using Affro$ paint list.
Topical of course.
Too bad that Jango had the dent on Kamino (before he was
trampled on Geonosis.)
Since I can't see the dent(s) in my movie, I can only assume someone has played around with PhotoShop or similar? :P
Nope - it's there.
Well... when I'm wrong I'm wrong.... and me... I'm usually wrong! lol
Those screen caps are not altered... I just checked by DVD looking very closely on a 50" tv.... the dent did, indeed, happen on Kamino... and it's clearly there before he even starts fighting on Geonosis.
But the point is still the same: The helmet was intended to be the same one... otherwise there was no need to make it a continued detail throughout the movie... (and also no need to have Boba pick up the helmet at the end of the scene.... he could have easily picked up the head! lol)
So, EU stories aside, it seems pretty clear that they intended the helmet to be the same one.
But the dents are SO different from eachother and in different places. Boba's look's chipped and it's on the forehead. While Jango's looks actually dented-in and near the ear.
They're not even close to resembling eachother.
I think it was just on of those coincodence moments - like Anakin getting his hand cut off in Ep II and Luke getting same hand chopped off in ESB.
Nooooo.... it is intended! Otherwise it wouldn't have been so prominent.
The lightsaber Luke gets in ANH is bigger and has way different details than the one Anakin loses in Ep3... yet it is the SAME lightsaber.
Just because the details are not exactly the same does not dismiss the intended foreshadowing.
All you folks that are trying to convince yourselves otherwise are just turning a blind eye... and I'm not sure why we can't just acknowledge that this, like a lot of other details from the prequels, is an obvious nod to the original trilogy. It's got the same reminiscent feel that the other details have too.
And (I'm going to plays devil's advocate here) who says that Boba's paint on his helmet is painted OVER Jango's? Maybe that's not silver showing THROUGH the paint! Maybe that's the silver that's left after the Blue and stuff chipped off?! Maybe JANGO painted over the ORIGINAL green and red, lol! Boba obviously doesn't know how to take care of his stuff! Look at that ROTJ blaster, for example!
They are two completely different helmets in shape, size, etc. The dents are in two completely different places, the dents are two completely different shapes. I can assure you that it was not foreshadowing, and that the only reason they dented Jango's helmet was because homage was being paid to the Stormtrooper that bumped his head on the doorway as in EPIV.
I don't know how this will weigh in, but in those Young Boba Fett books, there is a passage about someone helping Boba get Jaongo's armor and resizing it to fit Boba. So it's very possible that Boba started off with Jango's armor to begin with, then outgrew it (since it was resized), and had to acquire a new set.
And didn't Jango get a new dent when he got ran over in the Geonosis arena?
This all just goes to show you that with dozens of different authors, across multiple mediums, over the course of 20 years, there are going to be many stories. With the only criteria of canonism being "in a Lucas-authorized publication", they are technically all canon and we just have to pick the one we like and go with it.
Why do people ignore what the previous posts say?
Yes, Jango hitting his head is an homage to the stormtrooper from ANH.. but that's not where the dent came from. (It came earlier in that scene!)
And size matters not! (nor does shape)... as I said: Other props and costumes that made their way from the prequels to the orginal trilogy are NOT the same shape or size either! Eg. Anakin's Ep3/Luke's ANH lightsaber!
This is meant to be the same Helmet/dent! It's not a concindence! They don't have those in Star Wars! Every frame is intended to be specific! If Lucas intended to give Jango a dent (almost) exactly the same as Boba's in the original trilogy, he wouldn't have done it saying "let's just give him a dent too.... in his COMPLETELY DIFFERENT helmet".... he would more likely say "Let's give him a dent so we can explain where Boba's dent came from"
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Sorry? Which part?
I was just making a point that they wouldn't have given Jango even a "similar" dent unless they intended it to be the same one, as a nod to the original trilogy.
The idea is that, yes it looks a little different in size and shape to Boba's but so do other items in the movies that are intended to be the same item, from movie to movie. That's why I used the Anakin/Luke lightsaber as a comparison. Same lightsaber... different size and details from one movie to the next.
If you look at the dent, and you think about the battle between Vader and Fett... didnt Vader hit him on the helmet with the end of his saber hilt? I mean, being as he has robotic/superhuman strength, he could have done that kind of damage to a durasteel helm. Just a thought...
You decide....VS
I think if Lucas wanted to point to Jango's dent being the same as Boba he would have done a better job of showing how Jango's dent happened, and the dents would have looked the same. After all Jango's helmet was made from scans of a Boba helmet, so they did have access to the helmet to use as reference - if needed.
Vader never fought Boba Fett.... remember... if it didn't happen in the movies... it didn't really happen.
Thanks for the pictures Silver Fett... but again, I make my point... different movie... different prop.... same intended helmet!
If you guys really need it in order to understand what I'm getting at, I will post some pictures of Anakin's Ep3 lightsaber and Luke's ANH lightsaber to emphasize what I mean!
The dent might be in a slightly different spot and be a slightly different shape.... but it IS intended to be the same helmet!
P.S. AGAIN... luke's lightsaber is not exactly the same as Anakin's... and they have access to TONS of Graflex flash tubes! Couldn't they have made Anakin's look exactly the same as it did in ANH too?
The intention IS there.
The exact same prop was used for Darth Maul's half saber as was used for Mace Windu's lightsaber in EP2, did Mace steal Maul's saber and replace the crystal inside? I don't think so. Just because something is remotely close in this mixed up universe doesn't mean the pieces fit together.
Sure they dented Jango's helmet, but if they intended it to be the same dent, they would have put it in the same general area.
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