Discussion on NEW MR FETT HELMET PICS within the Boba Fett Helmet forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; Count Dookie said: And what's up with that extra lip
Here are the rest of the Pictures that we took....Phillip Wise took some very detailed pictures of the inside and of the Visor connection.
Sorry about my first images, but my hosting is down...should be fixed soon. :0)
Last edited by Spideyfett; Jan 31, 2008 at 10:36 AM.
Is the liner glued in... Or velcro, or just kinda sit in there...?
Nevermind, just saw CD's post.
Thanks to Rebelscum's pics, I see the extra ledge Count Dookie is talking about... The original helmet, like all the other original helmets, look nothing like that. It appears to me that the mandibles were left extra thick (probably for the sake of durability), but that was a decision made by MR or the production team. It is NOT the way the original mandible are in the PP3.
I was thinking it was there to cover any gaps after the gluing of a visor. Everytime I glue a visor in, I get a little bit of a gap right there. The guys that bolt the visors in don't seem to have this problem. I assume they did glue the visor in, right? Or am I totally wrong? lol...
You do realize the original helmets contain gaps, right? Some more than others...
Yeah, I know... I try to close them up though for the sake of light passing through. I just thought that maybe they were thinking along the same lines.
The visor in MR helmet is actual held in by real tiny phillips head screws and then the interior liner covers everything up!
Then I have no clue, I guess. I'm just trying to reason with myself that its okay, so I don't have to grind it off... lol...
Yeah! I'd love to see how it's secured, too.
They held the clone helmet visors in the same way.
Even the MR UK exclusive stormtrooper helmets lenses are held in with small philips head screws
Okay, just set my new MR helmet down next to the DP 95 helmet I did for my son. I quicly realized that I am not going to be happy with the new MR helmet unless I add some more detail. I probably put too much detail on my son's helmet, but the MR is just a bit too clean for me - seems too deliberate in the weathering. Anyway, still have to finish Darth before I start this project so I will have to live with it for a bit.
I will see if I can bring a camera into my office next week and take a side by side shot.
That extra lip/ledge/thickness added in there you guys are talking about, almost looks like it was a deliberate "thickness" added so that they would have something to screw "into" when mounting the visor, without the screws popping through to the other side, this would also give the "added durability" that Art spoke of as a benefit. Just a thought anyway ...
Either way .. it has to go
It looks like the edge was actually put there as a "shelf" for the visor. If you were to remove a couple millimeters from the visor/new visor it will sit flush and you have a place to screw your visor clamps. Just my 2 cents.
Man, its probably just me, but I dont have the cohones to modify/ mess with a brand new MR anything...I just like to keep it as is, for its value really...
Well, the only "value" should be the "value" it has for you... who cares about the "sale value" .
I will mod it for sure, open the visor, guess will take the lid off, and also... repaint it . WHO CARES !!!
P.S. by the way... it's COJONES .. not cohones :P
Yeah, I have paid more for armor and helmets that I have totally modified. I am the one who will be wearing it (or displaying it) and want to be happy with it. I don't really care about resale value, but do know that it is a concern for some.
i'm surprised that there haven't been any all new original sculpted fett helmets popping up on ebay with surprising similarities to this one.
ROFL - True, true - It has been out at least two weeks now...
I am sure they will be coming soon enough.
I got mine today, I'm pretty pleased with it... sans the pinched visor.... but I still like it. It seems HUGE, but then again... I'm not the best to scale things to
Just got mine today as well...I have already repainted the RF. Could not take looking at the excessive spatter Happy now I am still working up the____'s to retool that added lip and refit a new visor. If that happens I will post some progress pic's
I'm just curious if anyone has attempted to "fix" their MR helmet's visor yet.
I'd like to know if it was difficult, what materials were used and, if possible, see the results.
I've heard that mine will arrive within a week or so... can't wait to see this in person!
TK7602 - I agree... very surprised that this has not popped up on the bay of fleas yet (new model)
This and the next page demonstrate how it comes apart and heralds the good news that the mandibles can be easily pushed into the right place per pictures on page 17.
Nice... doesn't seem to hard at all? ish...
Thanks for posting this!
It may appear easy. As even I thought it would be. But it is not. Allow me to explain ...
in this pic of an MR that has been "fixed" (contained in the thread of the forum you just posted a link to) It throws off the top portion of the mandibles considerably. On the ESB "hero", the right side of the mandible should be higher than the left (orientation of the picture). It s now the opposite. And it makes the squint on the right side too large for the hero. Technically, the screen used "hero" had even mandibles. i think the hike on the right side happened after years of abuse in the exhibits. But either way, simply removing the visor and pulling out the bottom, totally ruins the image of the helmet (from what it's supposed to look like) IMO.
To correct it properly (for the exhibit hero, or even predating that and going screen hero that is), it takes a cut, and a mod
I got mine today, and decided to see what it would take, and soon realized that there was no way around it. So a word of warning to all MR owners - if you're contemplating it, don't do it unless you are happy with the result in the above pic. It may fix the narrow appearance at the bottom, but then it throws off the top of the mandibles as I just explained.
If you want to make the helmet appear more accurate to the hero helmet (at any point in time over the years - exhibit or screen) ...
Then you have to make a very careful mod. Teaser shown here ...
It's hard to see because it's a cell phone pic, but the right side mandible now rides even to the left (instead of riding MUCH lower with the simple visor removal method shown in the first pic). And, it tightened the squint ever so slightly on that side, also matching the the hero (shown above - which was the same on screen).
When I have some more time, I will post up how I did it. I just wanted to take a moment to give fair warning to pay close attention to what you're doing so as not to waste your time with an inaccurate fix.
On a side note, the helmet is not true fiberglass. It has a fiberglass lamination layer inside under the padding, but the helmet is actually compresion cast in some sort of resin ( not gel coat) ,a nd then a lamination "stamp" that was pressed inside. At first I thought it was vinyl becasue it was soooo flexible. Like a DP 95-97. The saving grace is, it won't crack that easy at the squint like a true FG lid would.
Some of my own observations about this helmet -
The visor is actually two VERY thin (almost paper thin) sheets of acetate that have been laminated together with a clear glue It so doesn't make any sense. I can't see how that would have been cheeper than putting in a real visor And the time it took for someone (labor) to "hand screw" about 50 little screws in there? Mind boggling.
The ear caps are HOLLOW As hollow as they get. The RF assembly and electronics are absurd IMO. Ok for a halloween costume, but not for a "Master" replica.
Granted, it works well. But if you remove the ears, you'll see exactly what I mean. If you have no plans to, there is no need to consider what I've just said. I'm not slamming it, just stating my observation is all. If you're happy with it, that is what is important. My only problem is that MR was supposed to create an accurate replica. And in this one respect, I just can't fathom what they must have been thinking.
The paint job is very impressive for a mass produce item. Hands down the best.
All in all, I think it is a good helmet. I DO NOT believe that it is the 'Holy Grail", as some would like to lead you to believe. At least not for a "hero" helmet replica. I can't comment on pre-pro because I don't know enough about it, and don't care for it anyway. BUt for the money, it is a great piece. And will look great on display ... it certainly will be a conversation piece.
And finally, something that I thought was very odd. I fit the resin RS ears that I have up to it when I got the MR ears off of it, and they are over 1/8 th of an inch too short? So I suppose my question now is, did the MF helmet suffer some shrinkage after all? Or did the digital scan get blown up a wee bit by MR in consideration of the casting process and it possibly shrinking a bit during the process? I'm certainly not tryin to start anything. it is a legitimate question, and a thought to ponder. Hopefully, it can be answered in reasonable and responsible fashion. That's what this forum is about.
More to come if anyone is interested. And if anyone is interested in this particular helmet with the mod in place and done FOR YOU, let me know soon. Because if no one wants it, I'm not going to be as careful with it from here on out You will need to repaint some minor details on the "green ear" side of the helmet at the squint and band. But when all is said and done, it will be a much more "true" representation of what it should have been.
Last edited by fettpride; Feb 9, 2008 at 9:25 PM.
FP...you are a GOD
I cant wait to hear more about this......
Last edited by DarthMiller; Feb 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM.
Consider me interested FP...
I would like to make these changes to my helmet but not before considerable thought...your observations FP has given me pause but at the same time reinforces my desire to make the mods. I would really like to remove the lip from the inside of the mandibles as well but after sizing up the flush of the face of the mandibles one would need to take down the inside of the brow as well...and that just might be a deal breaker for me. Could you address this issue Chris if you have a moment?
Well, a couple of things. The mod isn't for the faint of heart. Spending this much money on a prop, just to have to do *this*, is quite disturbing.
Some of you have asked me in PM about how the mod would affect the over-all shape of the helmet (compared to MF /RS helmet for instance) as it lines up very well to his. I'm sure this question has been asked because you've probably figured out by now, it takes a cut to fix this reasonably.
My opinion in the matter is this. I think it is reasonable.
This goes back to the pics that Brak's Buddy posted of the comparison between the MF helmet, and the MR. And this is quite "breathy", so get a cup of coffee, or some popcorn, or something
the first thing that should be noted, is that the MR that was compared to the MF helmet casting, was to my understanding, a recast of an MR *Prototype*. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But my observations in that pictorial would tell me that it was an *early* version of the MR because of the following reasons ...
1. the dent on the raw MR that was compared to the MF had a VERY crisp dent, in contrast to the production pieces that we are receiving. This is a little upsetting to me. Because, no matter what mods you make to the production version, that is simply not correctible.
2. The whole rear of the the MR production, pooches out backwards much more than the MR that was compared to the MF. If you look at the pics again, the rear of the MR that was compared to the MF was much closer to the MF casting. This simply cannot be attributed to "squishing" the helmet from side to side either, as the MF and the earlier MR that was compared to it are nearly identical in flare from a frontal perspective.
3. The dome of the MR production is also different than the MR that was compared to the MF. The production version is more rounded like a *mystery helmet*, rather than more sloped upward from the band to the top of the dome on the non RF side of the MF dome ( which is obviously not a camera angle or perspective, as these two helmets were compared side by side, and the angles didn't lie). Even the MR that was compared to the MF is more rounded than the MF, but not to the degree that the production versions that we are receiving are.
There are more differences that I've picked up on, but it would take all night long The point I'm trying to illustrate is this.
The MR production helmet has seen a few obvious changes since it's prototype stage. When you consider that the MF helmet is the closest helmet anyone will ever handle to an ILM helmet, and the early MR that was compared to the MF was much closer in many respects to his than the production version, this tells me that we're dealing with castings that no one will be able to *fix* 100%, because these differences were most likely implemented in the 3d modeling stages, rather than a simple molding and casting malady. The reason i take this stance, is that in order to correct the above mentioned maladies, the helmet structure would have to be cut on different levels. My analogy for what went wrong in the 3d modeling would be almost as if you were to take a rubber casting of an ILM helmet, and pull it in one direction or another, and the *freeze* it in a particular spot, you've just altered the overall shape of the helmet at a physical, structural level. It can distort it in every respect, hence why the visor is *pinched*, an the only way to make it appear right, is to make a structural modification. Just removing the visor, or dabbing a little bondo on it -- won't even come close to fixing this.
Granted, some may throw out the argument that it is because although all helmets originated from the same molds, slight differences from helmet to helmet can be blamed on visor installation, how the helmet was pulled form the mold, ect. Whereas I *agree* with this whole heartedly in general, I don't however, agree that is what happened here. Simply because the early MR proto that was compared to the MF .. was much closer to the MF, and the production version is not. Which means, they nearly had it ... in that stage, it could have been a simple *visor install* malady, or *casting difference form the same mold* ... not enough of a difference to really bat an eyelash over. But since production, something went wrong. Too many structural differences/nuances from the earlier versions.
The bottom line is, I don't think that this helmet is waht we were all hoping it would be. If it were as close to the MF as the early MR was that was compared to it, I wouldn't be changing a thing
As far as the mod to help the squint look better goes ( back tot he original question) ... it does alter the appearance of the helmet .... FOR THE BETTER.
It doesn't change the profile, it doesn't change the height of the non RF earcap mounting area. Because of the location of the cut, it really only pulls the top part of the visor up to where it needs to be to flex it back into position, and not much else. This is because out of a 6 inch cut, the first 2 inches moves up a negligible amount, and every other inch after that moves even less, because of the law of physics .. the farther away from the origin, the less it's affected the further back from the cut you get. If that makes any sense The point, is that it changes nothing that would be of an concern, even to a purist IMO. BUT - it's a moot point. Because my ultimate point to all of this is ... the production helmet is already altered. Obviously not as much as say, an *MH*. But still altered. So when you get right down to it, any modifications to correct anything on this thing, would be subjective, or left up to interpretation. In other words, you can mess up something, if it's already messed up If it's done right, it only further improves the appearance of the helmet for the better. IF IT'S DONE RIGHT
To make the mod, you have to cut about a 4 or 5 inch straight line, from the middle of the squint on that side, through the ear pad, and into the visor band of the rear. Just a deremel blade width. This allows the whole mandible to *float* ever so slightly, whilst you put it in the proper position. It's almost like there is too much material in there right at the squint, which is why it was so wide in production. It's not simply how it was trimmed by the ILM guys vs. another casting. Because if that were the case, all you would have to do is add a little material in there to tighten up the squint. And if you did that to an MR production, it would throw off the thickness of the painted visor area on the top and the bottom, and look WRONG SO it has to be physically altered. And again, it's not for the faint of heart. I mean, it's not hard to do, but it is hard to stomach after paying that much for something. And you have to also consider, that to make the repair, you need to fiberglass repair that area. That gets even more complex, because you have to remove the interior lining (at least mostly), and you have to grind out the hot glue to get to nice fiberglass for the repair to adhere to, ect, ect, ect. THEN, you have to repaint the area that has been cut through. And that just plain SUCKS. It will never quite look the same to most people. I really don't think that most of you are going to want to take that chance. So do it at your OWN risk, I don't want to be held responsible, because as with anything, this is supposed to be informative, but is still just an opinion. It is up to you to decide if you agree with what I've said here, by doing your own research, and making a comfortable decision for yourself.
And on one last note - yes, I *did* try a heat gun to correct this first. And unfortunately, as I stated above, there is just too much material at the squint area (the part that makes it too wide). No matter what, some of that needs to be removed.
Personally, I'm not going to bother with the repair anymore. I'm just going to make a copy of the thing for myself with *my* desired modifications. Again, if it's done right and looks the way its supposed to, it really can't be argued against accuracy, because it isn't accurate to begin with
And finally, I think that the only way we're going to get as close tot he early MR that was compared to the MF, is for someone to make those particular castings available
I hope this helps in some way. I'd like to address it in further detail, but I simply just don't have the time, after seeing what this thing is all about, I'm just sort of disappointed
Last edited by fettpride; Feb 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM.
Thanks for the insight FP Sometimes you just have to throw your arms up and say "Its back to the drawing board"... again! And the early stages of development looked so promising too. For all the money, the hype and anticipation...this helmet just falls short. Well, at least it will look pretty in a display case.
WOW, great read FP...and soooo glad you're the one chopping this helmet up and not me...don't think I could do it....after paying so much I mean.
And just so no one gets confused as to what exactly FP is talking about, here is the previous thread in regards to this topic.. MR vs MF " you be the Judge" http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=22952
I personally think all the questions that FP has posed are warrented......they are valid questions.
My biggest concern is that these questions won't be answered fully.. and some things we will never know. Unless someone from MR directly decides to post.
It is also very surprising that the Ears are hollow, and that some how this "Production" version is so far off from what we've come to believe was the standard, namely the MF.
Sometimes too many mods on MR's part is not always a good thing.
It does disappoint me to find that MR cut corners and made this helmet so cheaply, then charge so much for a supposed Star Wars "Replica".
Would love to see more Pics FP of the mods you're doing....
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM.
With the visor and mandibles being key issues and taking into consideration the comments made thus far regarding these mods, any thoughts about retro fitting a visor (new or same) into the existing space without grinding down the inside of the mandibles? in other words, using the 1/8 or 1/16 space that is already there. It would take a pretty creative way to secure the visor but it could save a lot of labor. Any thoughts?
Never mind...the corners of the tee section still present a problem
Could anyone of you proud MR helmet owner be so kind and tell me the dimensions of the shipping box? Please!
Also, gonna nix the idea of the MF bust shrinking, especially in the amounts FP mentioned about the ears as too many other dimensions line up perfectly. Shrinkage to that degree would have the entire helmet off and it simply isn't.
Another observation about the casting of the MR production ...
I know it seems petty ... but it does make another valid point.
I compared the calc pad casting the the castings that I make (they came from the same master from Brak's Buddy). Art was kind enough to lend his calc to me a number of years ago before I got my own.
When comparing the "chip" on the board, to the castings I make, it didn't take long to realize that the MR was noticeable smaller thank mine And I was comparing it to a CASTING, which means it has already shrunk negligibly.
The point? well, the cal pad casting that is in the MR is made of the same exact RESIN that was used as their "gel coat" in their casting process. As stated in my post above, I do not believe it to be polyester resin, because it's too flexible. But nevertheless, does this mean that the MR suffered some shrinkage too ? If something as small as the calc pad casting could shrink that much, what about the helmet? does this mean that the ILM that they scanned is even bigger? Or did they compensate for this by increasing it's size a bit to allow for the casting shrinkage as I proposed above ?
Food for thought
On the calc casting... I know the person that cast mine for MR was not a professional and it was cast somewhat hastily. I can't say anything beyond that because I wasn't there... I just sent the calc upon request. I don't know if that direct casting was sent to mass production or if a casting of the casting was sent or what... I know I was pleasantly surprised and shocked to see the very light scractches I put in my chip were still very evident on the final production model.
Okay, after having paid about $500 for a signature edition helmet, I honestly have no desire to go cutting it up to make it more screen accurate. If I wanted to do that, I'd probably just get one built from scratch.
What I do want to do though is correct the pinched mandibles so it looks a little more symmetrical, as well as presentable. The tapering is a little too pronounced for my taste.
Is anyone planning on just doing a simple mod to theirs? I'd absolutely be nterested in seeing the results.
Can't complain much when we are talking 1/8in here and mm there. Other than the visor squint and extra "kill" strip, I like mine, much better than the DP Deluxe that I plucked down quite a bit more money on 12 years ago.
Thats about all I got to say about that....
Sorry Art, I didn't see this when I posted earlier I certainly wasn't ignoring you.
I suppose the biggest question for me would be to know if the cad guys at MR compensated for the casting process in any way within any tolerances? It's not a real big deal when you get right down to it. However you look at it, shrinkage, or even slightly larger, it's almost negligible. It's more of a curiosity than anything.
Their casting process is something I'd be interested in hearing about.
The *dent* is a big curiosity too. Any idea what happened between the proto and the production? Is there any way to get a casting of the prototype dent to stick in my bucket since I'm cutting it up ?
On the Mf bust, not sure what to say there. Perhaps MR altered something somewhere, because the resin RS ears sure don't fit. Perhaps the resin ears shrunk a little from their masters? I kept the RS ears specifically for the MR because i knew the MR ears were just plain *bad*. I'm just trying to figure out what goes to what, essentially, cherry pick what fits best with what
On the calc pad - that's good to know, thanks. It makes more sense now. I would venture to guess that it was a casting that was sent to them, as there are sure signs of that. There are a couple of components also missing from the board too.
It is my understanding that very little was done to the realscan with only the typical corrections that apparently are required for any scan. There was no purposeful upscaling or changes made. I know that there were issues with the dent, the keyslots, the triangles, etc (see a pattern in the problem areas) and that MR had to go back and take additional pics of the PP3 of these areas. Interestingly enough, each of these problem areas appear to be a bit off to me... perhaps it is because they took a bit of artistic licensing with the correction of those specific areas. MR had considered cleaning the helmet or even making it symmetrical as was originally done to the stormtrooper helmet. However, I, and others, pushed for NOTHING to be changed and to the best of my knowledge, nothing was purposefully changed or cleaned. Clearly the realscan didn't capture every nuance of the original helmet (I think people have the wrong impression that real scan technology is far more advanced and sophisticated than it is) and I am sure even the minimum cleanup that was necessary might have took away other nuances (yes I used that word twice because I can't think of another word to describe such subtle details).
I was told that a professional propmaking company in CA made the prototypes. I don't know how they were made. I don't know if a foam block was carved from the realscan data and then a mold was made of that or what. I saw and held one of at least two prototypes made by this company. If was the best and most professional fiberglass prop I have ever seen. It was absolutely flawless. Note... I did not say anything about accuracy...
The prototype I saw was painted by Jason Eaton (and I believe shown here at TDH) and then repainted by Rogue Studios. Rogue Studios also painted the second ptototype. I don't know what happened to those prototypes. I don't know what was used for production and any guess would be pure speculation. Rogue Studios MIGHT know more but I am not sure as his input was focused on the paint and weathering.
The two things that stood out to me regarding the prototype (aside from the stunning fiberglass work) was that the helmet was exceedingly crisp and compared to the MF, exceedingly clean. I had tell-tale warps here and there, but overall it lacked all the subtle (here it comes again) nuances that the MF contains. I don't know if the realscan didn't pick those up or if they were sanded out of a foam prototype or what, but while the MR maintained the warps and curvatures of the original helmet and no doubt came from one, it felt very sanitary. Perhaps I only say that because the MF has so much characetr. I was stunned when I received that helmet, and was more stunned when I went back to the original pics and could match up all the "trashiness." I honestly believe most people, especially the public at large, would not want such a helmet because they would consider it ugly and unrefined. The MR stands in stark contrast to that with a very smooth dome and very clean lines.
I just received my helmet (thanks Dark Shadow!), number 254, and MAN DOES THIS THING STINK!!!!! IT SMELLS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!
I learn something new everyday
I think what you've said answers the two of my Biggest questions, and just tells me that the "drop-off" occured at the MR level......again. ... "At what level did it go from an actual movie prop scan to a production version??" "Or was there no Drop-off?.. and was the MR production equal to what we've come to know as the "standard", in this case the MF, or now even more so the MR proto and now things just don't match???"....which would in turn open up a whole other can of worms.
Again I'd say MR messed it up IMO...what a shame.
The MR Proto looks a hundred times better, IMO!!!...so jealous.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM.
I want to see a comparison of the MR prototype with the production piece.
If the proto is better as I have suspected it is, then I think a little black market work with silicone is in order.
Its not like I'm just whinning because I dont have a proto (I AM but thats beside the point. ) Its not like an authentic cast that someone tracked down and bought.
MR made it for everyone to have. Im not too keen on having a new group of elitists, however unintentional it is.
While we don't want to give MR a pass on this, I also think it is important that we don't blow things out of proportion, as is so often done, and that people begin to look at the MR production helmet as worthless. It isn't. It is light years ahead of its predecessor and an amazing achievement in mass production. No, it certainly isn't 100% spot on accurate, but show me one that is. While I won't hail the MR helmet as the pinnacle of helmets, it is a great helmet and anyone should be proud to own one.
Thanks for all the info Art ! That does make a few things "click" a little better in my head
I sort of had a gut feeling that the MR proto was a better helmet too, long before the production came out. You could see the dent already washed out in some of the "later" toy fair pics.
Whoever still has a casting of the MR prototype should pony up BUT, is certainly not obligated to do so - I understand that But If that individual decides to step up (publicly or privately), I'm officially offering my services
As far as the production helmet goes ... I'm thinking I'm done with it. I made the one mod for someone else out there that will appreciate it, and will put it up in the cargo hold at a significant discount since it has been altered. But I've come to the ultimate conclusion (this is just "MY" opinion alone) that the MR production is just a $400 Mystery Helmet Okeefine, a little better, but not enough to justify the cost
Just saying that untimately with todays technology that a "scan" of a Prepro 2 in this day and age...to me (IMO)...is better than anything else out there, hands down....and should now be considered the new standard.
All Hail, the MR PROTO!!! :thumbup.....
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM.
Personally, I think the MR helmet is well worth the cost for most collectors. However, if you are striving for greater accuracy, the price point is hard to swallow for a helmet that would need to be taken apart, cleaned up, modified, completely repainted and reassembled. When you can get a casting of the Mystery helmet for around $100, it is hard to justify over 4 times that for an MR. I keep hearing people say MR missed the mark, but I maintain that for a mass produce pieces, they did an amazing job. The problem is, most of us aren't mass-produced kinda people. If we were, I am not sure there would be a need for this board to exist. I think perhaps some people's expectations might have been a bit too high for a piece that we all knew, from day one, could never meet our expectations or be exactly what we want. We are far too picky and meticulous to be satisfied with that. However, for what it is, I think the MR helmet is a success and a marvel.
I am curious to see how many other people like myself are getting the runaround from MR and are still waiting for their helmet to ship. I have called three times only to be told it will ship tomorrow. On one call I was told they are only shipping 50 per week and on Fridays. They promised me that mine would be in the "next group" and of course it was not. I ordered the SOB practically the very second it became available to purchase directly from MR website.
Two days ago I received an email stating there had been a communication/shipping error and that the LE helmet/giclee would be shipping witihn two weeks. My eamils to them go un-answered. I called about canceling it and was told it was two late amd the only way was to refuse shipment. This is the fourth, and I promise you, the very last MR purchase I will EVER make.
Sorry if this slightly off topic. I would love to be sitting here trying to critique this helmet with you fine people, but for some reason MR does not think I'm worthy. Thank you for all of the wonderful opinions and pictures (Fettpride, Braks, Spidey) and ideas on trying to improve this. If I ever get mine, I think I will try the easier visor fix. I can live with consequence of the mandible shifting slightly, however the 10 mm difference in the visor taper reall bugs me. Cheers! Jason
Master Replicas hasn't missed the mark too many times in their short Star Wars licensing years.
I've been so happy with my replicas from them, and the quality of display materials they provide with them!
But it seems sad that they are going out with such a fizzle.... especially in the eyes of the people that this helmet was the most important for!
The accuracy seems off (even as a beginner to the costuming that pinch looked weird from the first concept pics... I had hoped it was an error they intended to fix)... so does the weathering (having not seen one in person, I can only go by the pictures everyone has been so generous in posting). I have other items from them that have weathering and it doesn't look that manufactured at all.
But it's a very nice effort on their part... the working LEDs are a nice touch. I, for one, am very disappointed they are not going to make Star Wars stuff anymore. Would have been very nice to see a Boba ESB Blaster as well as a Chewie Bowcaster.
Yes...I paid $400 for it.
Yes...over all I am pleased with it.
Yes...I will continue to purchase items from MR...but
What really tee's me off is that MR had in the palm of their hands the ability to produce THE helmet we have all been waiting for! With today's technology and the access to a Lucas Film prop and when all was said and done...they produce this helmet? IMO it was a waist of time and effort, a disappointment to be sure!!! And shame on them for dangling the hype in our face and make the marketing claims as they did. For cry'n out loud, they scanned an actual helmet from the archives...and hold on, they enlisted one of our own to do the master paint design. What was that all about? And who were they trying to sell this project to? The casual fan/collector? NO WAY. They were selling it to US...the true DIE HARD FETT FANS!! A movie accurate, screen used ESB helmet. The bottom line is that this helmet is really just a jazzed up version of the DP...allbeit 4 bones, never the less its a lot of money for most of us here. For me, you are either all the way in or all the way out. Finish what you set out to do, none of this in between stuff. I really expected MR to do it right this time and what are we doing now? Trying to figure out how to make it right, fix all those little things that are bugging us and praying that we don't **** up a $400 investment. All that said, a really nice helmet MR, its sure to be a center piece of most Star Wars collections...I just don't like to be mislead so lets get it right next time.
They're just wrapping up this and the Luke ROTJ v.2 lightsaber, then they're going to make props for Trekkies (or Trekkers.. I'm not sure) and Disneyphiles.
I think they just got so used to making those ST futuristically sterile Phasers and Polystone statues, that they couldn't help but make an "all too perfect" Boba helmet.
It's a nice piece... you hit the nail on the head... they had the stuff at their disposal to make it near perfect... whoever greenlit the final sculpt obviously did not study their reference material too well! If this what ANY Lucasfilm archived helmet looked like, it's certainly not what MOST of them looked like.
Am I right?
Perhaps efx will have a go at it...maybe not Boba but Jango? Hey, maybe ROTJ? We can only hope
Trekkies...Trekkers? Its my understanding that a "Trekker" is a Star Trek fan such you or I, we like the movies, we like the actors and so on, maybe even a convention now and then. A "Trekkie" is a Star Trek geek (in a nice way) through and through...I wish that I had the time and the doe to be a Trekkie (Star Wars is enough to keep my broke) I know a number of Trekkies and they are a lot of fun to be around, some more serious than others but hey...they all get along
I love the Star Trek movies (not so much the shows). I'm just sore that MR abandoned Star Wars. Their Star Trek stuff is actually pretty nice! Just a different beast than Star Wars props that have that "lived in" feel to them.
(And deep inside, I'm only going to keep watching the MR site in case they do an Alien's Pulse Rifle! lol)
Let's not blame other franchises, whether you are a fan or not, MR has messed up on more than just SW products. Luckily, I am the owner of one of the "good" Rocketeer helmets that were produced. Many were badly made in India and had to be recalled or the production was halted for some time to "correct" the process. As well, how about the full size Spider-man masks? Kinda "disappeared" off their site. Don't get me wrong, I love all of the MR products that I have, but I think they may have just given up since they were losing their license.
I haven't seen any other SW stuff they did that was messed up (except maybe the Vader helmet shipping scratches... but that's a packaging issue.. not an accuracy or production issue)
Not that I'm questioning you that there were any... if you could enlighten me on which items you're referring to, I'll be sure to avoid them!
I have to agree - they started getting a little lazy in the end, becasue they knew it was over. Maybe sort of gave up ?
Don't be so quick to look to EFX as a new SW Prop Savior guys Although it's exciting news, because, well, it's someone NEW. A fresh start if you will ... BUT .. it's still MR. Some of them anyway. Even Amy the CS rep is going to EFX Hopefully that is a good sign. I have high hopes too
I do have some interesting news about the MR production helmet of mine that I pictured above !
The *DENT* - is NOT DEAD on these things !!! It's simply covered with half the helmet's weight in PAINT
I stripped mine tonight. Yes, you read that correctly. it's beige now I've got many more things I SHOULD be doing - but I had a free few minutes in between things "cooking"
Let me just say this - there is hope for this helmet. My interest has been rekindled. As it turns out, there are at LEAST 5 layers of paint on this thing. And every single coat was mounded on. I can't not emphasize enough, just how different this helmet looks without 5 lbs of paint on it I know, for you wise guys that will try to catch me on it - yes it looks different, becasue there's no paint ! What I mean is, the paint was so heavily laid on this thing, that it was literally covering up details - BAD !
The dent, is just as crisp as the MR prototype illustrated in Brak's comparison thread. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least. I'm now thinking I might go ahead and fix a couple of more anomalies, and take it the distance. Nothing major. I wouldn't DARE interrupt what lineage there is left in this thing. Just simple things, like a little putty on the seam lines underneath the earcaps, ect. But again, I think I'll take it the distance, and see what she looks like
Interested? When I get some free minutes, I'll post up some quality pics.
Yes sir, really interested...
Would be great to see a step by step of all the mods you are making... Is that possible ?? (something like a "small" tutorial or something ??) I think you will help a LOT of guys... at least.. . you will help me so badly !!! (cause I'm planning to strip it and replaint it, and who knows, maybe mod it completely as you did...?? if I see if "clear")
Actully eFX is not a new crew they are core folks I worked with at MR. The owners are both experienced and knowledgeable on the SW license and I would expect everyone to see very nice work out of this company. Frequently your hands get tied by the bonds of the leaders above and those bonds have been cut.
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I was not very learned about this eFX swap... haven't been reading the news lately.
I just thought we'd be waiting a few years before someone else picked up the license (a la Icons to MR)
Hopefully I'll get a second chance to pick up an ROTJ Luke v.1 Lightsaber... it's so expensive to buy the MR one now!
eFX??? do they have a Website?
I forgot the actualy website link, but it has the teaser pic of the concept vader and the date of that event in chicago i believe, and says I think, "a new force to be rekoned with"
Hmm? Maybe not
Small update - I only had time for a quick cell pic, but it's pretty decent.
With, and without primer .... I'm gettin a little gitty They OBVIOUSLY didn't "airbrush" their 5 or more layers of paint
More to come. I'll do a bit of a write up on it with some pics. Probably start a new thread for you MR owner folks
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WOW!!! "just when I thought I was out, THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!"
and yes I think a new thread would be in order
What did you use to remove the paint?
Can't see the pic FP? it crashes uploading 1/4 the way in...
I guess my question is...
What did you strip it with? And what did you have to do to the liner to get the ears off
FP, you totally and utterly... chronic
Well, I tested a couple of spots with a couple of different things to make sure that the resin coating wouldn't be eaten alive. Lacquer thinner and Acetone are your best bets. Neither damaged the outer coating, nor softened it, nor rubbed it off. I would recommend the lacquer thinner, as it doesn't evaporate as fast as acetone, you'll use less of it. But between the lacquer thinner fumes, and the STENCH of this MR bucket ... you'll be flying in no time. Do it in a ventilated space, because you're going to be there a while with as much paint as they glopped on this thing It took me over an hour straight once I got started ! And I was moving FAST!
Another small note .. you will undoubtedly see a few areas that they used some body filler on. They are zinc chromate yellow. There were only 3 spots on mine. There may be more, or less on others. Luckily, they were just in areas that there was a possible air bubble or something. Very tiny spots. If you notice any large areas of this stuff, there may have been a warp or something, and when they apply the body filler and sand it, there is no telling how much of the original shape they altered. One of the many pitfalls that you may run into if you do this. So just an FYI so that you're all reasonably informed. When I wipe the primer off, I'll show you what I mean.
I want to make sure people see that although it's a very nasty casting (probably because it's mass produced), there were no inherent issues underneath the paint on my copy, and want to also illustrate that I'm not making any alterations that will affect the integrity of the original intended shape. In fact, when I make a mold of it, I'm going to do it as I did my FPH, so there will be no distortion or alteration at that stage either. When I'm done with this, I should have a copy that will be reasonably close to the proto. I would never say as good, or better. Because, it is still a recast in terms, of a helmet that saw some modifications after our brothers involvement. However, if it is done right, by someone who cares, and not some smo that's loking to produce them and make a buck, it should be the cat's meow for now
The lining is glued in with some sort of toxic adhesive. When you remove it, the foam padding will most definitely rip to shreds unfortunately. You can save most of it, and chances are, if you want to put it back in there afterward, it won't be too noticeable. Otherwise, one could use it as a pattern to make another (which is what I'll probably do. I think, that what we are all smelling inside this thing is the adhesive. I wouldn't be surprised if we all get sick from this thing. I mean, it came from CHINA ! Isn't that where they just recalled a bunch of toys from because they were putting asbestos in there products ?!?!?! I'd swear I smell formaldehyde in this thing !!!!
Mojo - just refresh it. Something weird is happening on my server right now. They are changing platforms, and I've been having this happen since they moved me to the new platform. But refreshing should take care of it.
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FP, so because there was sooo much paint on top of that thing...the weight has changed I'm sure, but has the size changed too??
Cheers bud.. got it!
Man that dent must have been caked in paint! the lines are so much more detailed than the 'in the box' version...
Well, I was over exaggerating a little bit. But I would venture a guess, that is lost at LEAST a few ounces in weight with removing the gobs of paint. I wish I'd took pictures of that. I'd swear that in some areas there was upwards of 1/16 or more of paint build up That, is just uncalled for
Overall size wise, that's a tough one. Dimensionally, here and there, in some places, sure thing. So I really can't answer that. What I do know is, most will uncover a trim line at the rear bottom that wasn't completely trimmed ... I noticed that line matches up perfectly with the MR proto that Art posted So that will affect it a bit I think. But all in all, the ear areas at least, are still the same if that's what you mean.
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When you start doing your mods to correct the visor issue could you please post some pics of this process? I am curious if you will need to take down the thickness of the inside brow to match the thickness of the mandibles so that the visor will sit flush. I am also curious if the lacquer thinner will take the paint off of the RF stalk?
Picked up a MR helmet from a local toy store today.
It's pretty awesome and man does it smell bad!
Signature Edition 353 of 750
Here are some pics.
the last pic is kinda a photoshopped version of what the tapper on the lower visor might look like spread out a little.
I almost forgot to mention something, of some importance I would think.
Since I didn't care about the paint finish (obviously, look what I did to mine ) I noticed after a couple of days of handling it with my bare hands, that ALL of the silver areas turned LEAD !!! Never to be bright again !
So be careful with these people, the silver areas have NOT been sealed !!! You'll end up repainting those areas in no time if you handle it too much !
Hmm might have to get me one of these now, FP you've given me the bug to try and re-paint it Should finish the FPH first though
Me in my MR helmet at work. And yes I wore it to work.
I have an LE Helmet and I don't think MR should have sold these with the mess up T-visor. I have my Helmet on display....... every day I think about gutting it out and fixing it. I'm just worried about cracking it when I straightin out thr mandibles.
hey FP! any chance of getting a side photo of your mod? i'm about to go down that road myself...
does this look right from your experience?