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  1. Ego
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    Feb 12, 2003, 9:35 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #51

    Well, I can't say why he's not a member on here, but having been privy to the pictures of the process from very close to the beginning, I too can vouch that it's not a recast from a movie sized helmet--if it was, it was the worst recast I've ever seen!

    What details are you fearing are recast from the MSH helmet exactly? Or, what areas couldn't be found in pictures, because I've got about 5 pictures on my ref CD from just about every possible angle!

    How did he get the size right? Well, let's face it, you're making a helmet. It's gotta fit on a head . . that gives you a pretty good ballpark to start in! hehe I've compared his dimensions to my MSH and, like I stated above, he's about a full inch bigger in length.

    You were questioning the keyholes . . well, I like to think I've played a bit of a part in that, as I asked him if he'd be willing to do a keyhole area that would fit my movie sized helmet (I dont' have the talent to do it, or else I would have done it myself), as I'm not happy with the keyholes as they came (about my only beef with the bucket too, I might add)

    Anyways, hope that helps shine a bit of light on the situation, and calms any fears that it's recast or anything like that. There's no funny business going on . . just a talented guy makin' a bucket with a lot of input to help get it to what you're seeing the pictures of.

    Jer


    Well Paid Killer wrote:

    Why is everyone talking for this maker, is he not a member and if not he should be! I guess I am just fast to question something so good, don't really mean anything by it. But there are just certain areas on this "first time" helmet that are spot on with the MSHs that could not be found in pictures. I guess thats why I am questioning where some of these details came from. How exactly do you get accurate measurements from a picture?? Nobody knows how big anything is on the original helmet to use as a point of reference to take measurements. It's my understanding that the MSH Maker took laser measurements at an AOSW Exhibit. Although I know that even that is only so accurate, going through plexi and all, but measurements from paper just seems a bit much.
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    Feb 12, 2003, 9:36 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #52

    Okay, here's the deal. It's a bit of long story, but I'll try and do the reader's digest version.

    Some of you know that I used to work for a toy company. We made mainly 1/6th figures, then later 1/18th & 1/32nd.
    I was very active on various 1/6th forums. That's where I met and purchased products from the maker. Our old Design Team told me how they scale up and down weapons, vehicles, etc.
    Say they have a 1/35th Tiger tank. Assuming it's accurate...they take loads of measurements and using basic math, scale it up. Same way if they take a actual M-1 rifle or a mini-gun, they measure it, and scale it down to 1/6th scale.

    I can't say that I know how to do it, or to even better explain it than that. To them, it was as simple as baking a cake...

    The maker of the helmet did the exact same thing. He scaled it off another helmet in a different scale. The most amazing idea, I thought. He scaled it off a Hasbro 1/6th Jango Fett helmet.
    Pretty jaw-dropping stuff to me. He was understandably proud how close it was to " accurate-size". As you've read in the above posts,it's a little bigger in a few areas, but not too far off at all.

    The ironic thing, is in another 1/6th forum, when the Jango Fett figure first was released, there was much complaining that the helmet was too big...



    He considers it a relatively simple task to do. He's the creator of 1/6th German Armored halftracks- 250, 252, various German military vehicles, smaller tanks, etc. He's done American armor, a Dodge Ambulance,even a Sherman tank.


    He's doing the keyholes separately, because his fiberglass caster feels he can get a crisper casting this way.

    He's making the rangefinder / stalk "wiring-friendly".

    That's pretty much all that I've got on this. I'm looking forward to it a great deal. No doubt, more than one will be made.

    I'm just trying to convince him to do a jet pack!! There's two of them in that Jango figure box!!



    Please, feel free to ask any and all questions you might have.Either here or PM me.

    take care all,

    -Rex
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    Feb 12, 2003, 10:33 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #53

    Keeps getting better Rex. Sounds like a logical explanation to me. Thanks for the pics against the solid background and I think I know the RF goodies you are talkin about. If the keyholes are cast seperate will they also be fiberglass or vac formed. Will the right (rangefinder) earcap be bulit up so that it will meet the helmet and not stick out up top?
  4. Feb 12, 2003, 10:41 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #54

    I guess that explanation cleared up most of the questions but one, Rex.

    And that being; why ISN'T the maker a member, or at least representing himself, here? Would be nice to hear from him at least.
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    Feb 13, 2003, 1:04 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #55


    MegalomaniacalMandalore wrote:

    why ISN'T the maker a member, or at least representing himself, here? Would be nice to hear from him at least.
    MMM-Absolutely took the words right out of my mouth!!

    Boutys Hunted...

    Hey man, I hope that you understand where I am coming from with these questions. Better a friend that steps in to ask before anyone else. I too would rather lay to rest any doubt so it doesn't have to come up again on you or who ever is the secret behind this project. That being said, if there are pictures of the earlier stages of the sculpting process, perhaps the "Maker" of this bucket should post those pics. I think that would end a lot of question about this piece once and for all... As the helmet appears from the start of this thread, it looks to be a completed helmet that has been fixed up with bondo and so fourth. Thats why I am suggesting that early pics of it would imply its built from the ground up rather than the modification of another. And if possible please let the maker speak up, its a great looking piece and he should be proud of it!!! Again man let me stress... I am not in anyway trying to rain on what looks to be a job well done or impliment a recaster threat! Just better to get it out there so its a sealed subject.
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    Feb 13, 2003, 1:53 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #56

    Just a couple of observations,

    For one, Jango's helmet is smaller than Fett's helmet(s). WhoJedi can vouch for this, as I believe he said it was closer in size to a DP Deluxe, though I do not want to misquote him.

    The MSH is a groundbreaking helmet. It represents a new dawn of Fett helmets. However, I personally believe the MS helmet is undersized. I know the maker of the MSH stands firmly by his measurements, and that is perfectly fine. And it takes nothing away from from the artistry behind the MSH. However in my research, I believe the ESB helmet to be larger. The impression most people get when they see the film helmets in person is that it is HUGE. We've been conditioned to kiddie-sized Don Posts for so long, it's no wonder anything greatly outside that realm looks too big for us.

    The dome and the ears could use some heavy reworking, however that is a heck of a job for scratch built helmet. Keep up the good work.
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    Feb 13, 2003, 8:37 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #57

    Tyler Durden what do you think needs to be done to the dome and ears?
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    Feb 13, 2003, 9:20 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #58


    tylerdurden wrote:

    Just a couple of observations,

    For one, Jango's helmet is smaller than Fett's helmet(s). WhoJedi can vouch for this, as I believe he said it was closer in size to a DP Deluxe, though I do not want to misquote him.

    The MSH is a groundbreaking helmet. It represents a new dawn of Fett helmets. However, I personally believe the MS helmet is undersized. I know the maker of the MSH stands firmly by his measurements, and that is perfectly fine. And it takes nothing away from from the artistry behind the MSH. However in my research, I believe the ESB helmet to be larger. The impression most people get when they see the film helmets in person is that it is HUGE. We've been conditioned to kiddie-sized Don Posts for so long, it's no wonder anything greatly outside that realm looks too big for us.

    The dome and the ears could use some heavy reworking, however that is a heck of a job for scratch built helmet. Keep up the good work.
    The new helmet is loking very nice!!!!

    I know exactly what the sculptor must be going through trying to match the helmet to the pics.

    It changes shape depending on the angle of the pic & distance from the camera, its one hell of a challenge to sculpt the helmet.

    Tyler, the helmet that was on display at the AOSW wasnt near as big i had expected. To be honest i believe its the camera angles/lenses that made the helmet appear so wide on screen.
    Alot of the camera work appears to have been done with wide angle lenses when fett is on screen.

    If you want i can post how i got the dimension & what the size is.

    Thanks
    Nathan
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    Feb 13, 2003, 1:47 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #59

    Thanks Tyler for the feedback- Are the ears too skinny, flat, or??

    Natty, thanks man!! Appreciate it!



    As to some of the questions...

    1) The maker is a member of TDH- How else would he have the passion to create such a helmet?

    2) As to the maker's anonimity, for now that's the way it is, although it may change. He prefers it this way, so he's not inudated with emails and PM's. He just prefers to remain behind the scenes. In his other business, he has four clients who handle orders/questions/ options, etc.
    That's the way the helmet is too. I'm the pointman.



    It's ironic how this came to be. Awhile back, I mentioned to him how much I would like a larger helmet...

    I think I'm going to mention a jet pack next!


  10. Feb 13, 2003, 1:53 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #60

    Ok, Rex. Thanks for the reply.

    While you're at it, mention how this short bald guy needs a really cool truck because his is getting used up.
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    Feb 13, 2003, 1:59 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #61


    MegalomaniacalMandalore wrote:

    Ok, Rex. Thanks for the reply.

    While you're at it, mention how this short bald guy needs a really cool truck because his is getting used up.

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    Feb 13, 2003, 7:48 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #62

    There appears to be a bit of subtle and even not so subtle hints that some feel this helmet may have been, in part or whole, recast from the "movie sized helmet." Time to put up or shut up. If you have some proof, then lets see it. If you don't have anything then why not cut the sideswiping pot shots and lets welcome this new guy's efforts as the warm and closenit community we are! I for one think it is a fantastic first effort and am very interested to see the final product!
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    Feb 13, 2003, 7:53 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #63


    Brak's Buddy wrote:

    There appears to be a bit of subtle and even not so subtle hints that some feel this helmet may have been, in part or whole, recast from the "movie sized helmet." Time to put up or shut up. If you have some proof, then lets see it. If you don't have anything then why not cut the sideswiping pot shots and lets welcome this new guy's efforts as the warm and closenit community we are! I for one think it is a fantastic first effort and am very interested to see the final product!
    Amen.
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    Feb 13, 2003, 8:13 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #64

    Thanks Braks.


    I've been asked this alot recently. I am not the maker of this helmet! I wish I could sculpt like this!!! I'd be having lot of fun!

    I am the pointman on this project.

    ...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

  15. Feb 14, 2003, 1:51 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #65

    Well, I can honestly say that there is no doubt in my mind that this helmet is a first generation piece of work. I am well aware of the maker's rep at i/6 scale vehicles, and had talked to Rex long before this project ever saw it's first 3-D incarnation. I wish to alay any fears of this being a recast of anyone else's work.

    I just thought that in the hush-hush world of makers/dealers etc., that the maker would have possibly, at least, presented his product to avoid any doubts. After BH's explanation, I understand their position, and am satisfied. Let's get behind and show as much support for this effort as we have for any other craftsman that has made their work available to the Fett community.

    Thar's whar my stick floats.
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    Feb 14, 2003, 5:30 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #66

    Greetings fellow Mandalorians!

    I wish to apologize to all the members of this fine forum if we have cast some doubts on this project as this was surely not our intention.
    Yes, I am the creator of the helmet presented above and I'm hoping I could eliminate any "shadows" that envelope this endeavor.

    My forte is really into building Fiberglass customized 1/6 scale vehicles whereby I have 4 clients who I build for. Eversince joining this Fett group 7 months ago, I was graciously welcomed by my buddy Rex Adams (Bounty Hunted).
    Rex and I are both active on our 1/6 hobby and he has been instrumental in helping me become a Fetthead Rex knows all the newbie frustrations I had in the beggining moreso with the purchase of a DP'97 bucket - that I've been trying to make it look accurate, but so far failed.

    The cardboard helmet you see above is the result of one afternoon's frustration on working with my DP - thus I thought it best building something from scratch rather than working on an existing design. Why I didnt think about this in the first place is pure stupidity on my part

    My only intention was to present this helmet as a "surprise" to my buddy Rex. I told him that this project is his and all the rights regarding this to whatever level he wants to take it. Sorta like a "thank you" for all his help & support. I told him to run the ball with it as I am too busy in my schedule that I cant answer any questions that you guys might have.

    Thus, I'm pressuming he thought it best to present you the helmet above to be "finely tuned" by some of the experts in the hobby. It would be great to think that the results you see above is the culmination of each & everyone's input to making this bucket better than when it started.
    Mind you, whatever outcome this bucket may take, we are in no way competing with any of the great helmets done by great artists on this board - much less convince anyone that this is better. This helmet has full of flaws & inaccuracies, thus we are humbly asking for your help to make it better.
    Besides, I cant afford your great custom buckets - thus I have to make my own....LOL!

    We could only hope that you see our endeavors as something of a positive move in contributing to this hobby, rather than a negative one.

    Lastly, I wish to thank all the good folks of this forum for giving their inputs, suggestions, ideas & mostly your support.
    This one is for you, guys!!

    Peace to everyone!

    Mardon

    Rex, you have the ball.......
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    Feb 14, 2003, 7:52 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #67

    Nice to see you out in the open bud,

    Keep up the good work

    Jer
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    Feb 14, 2003, 8:13 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #68

    Bravo! I am really impressed with your helmet and the
    quality of workmanship it is excellent. You should be
    proud of your accomplisments.If only I could produce
    something of that quality.

    O.F. Fett
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    Feb 14, 2003, 12:22 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #69

    Helloooo Mardon! An a fine helmet you've made there!



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    Feb 14, 2003, 1:28 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #70

    Hey Mardon, finally, come on in...
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    Feb 15, 2003, 12:26 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #71

    Hey Mardon, dont really know you but im sure if your friends with Rex and MMM your a good guy and thus a friend of mine. Thats one mighty fine lookin helmet youve got there and im glad you decided to share it with the rest of the board and not just make yourself a kicka$$ helmet. The rest of us DP97 owners are in your debt.
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    Feb 15, 2003, 12:34 PM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #72

    WOW, she keeps getting better & better as the days pass - GREAT JOB!!
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    Feb 16, 2003, 1:27 AM - Re: New Helmet Maker on Scene-** Updated** #73

    Here's the latest update. It has more of a ESB squint added.

    Due to time constraints, this is it for now. Mardon's workload w/ his livilhood will be taking over. A small number will be produced next week. The next batch won't be until June.

    If you're interested, please PM me for more details.

    The stalk will be cast in fiberglass and hollow, to allow wiring to run up inside it, into the rangefinder, for leds. You'll have to do this work yourself.

    take care all,

    -Rex


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