NEW!! Fettpride Bucket aka "FPH" !!

In talking with Lee at length he also said the same thing in regards to shrinkage..."less than the thickness of human hair"....I kinda didn't follow/ understand that whole theory??
Do you think way back when Lee's current Plug was made that "shrinkage" was even a concern for the makers of that mold?
And if not, then there would be a slight possibillty of what is known to occur in the prop community as some level of shrinkage, no?

I mean I know there are better products out now that can prevent any type of Shrinkage, but back then?? did they really consider all that?
I don't think its to ridiculas or to far fetched to make the assumption on the products they used back then that "MIGHT" cause some type of Shrinkage? It's Kinda a valid question when speaking in terms of exact accuracy....

Again I think Unless you've seen the real deal up close, I think most people would be surprised on how big it really was in person....

I say we go to London and do an "Oceans 11" and take the thing!!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

I say we go to London and do an "Oceans 11" and take the thing!!

Good plan!
All we need is 1 lb. of silly putty, a paperclip, and some ordinary garden shears. . . wait, that's McGyver--sorry!

Originally Posted by superjedi

Good plan!
All we need is 1 lb. of silly putty, a paperclip, and some ordinary garden shears. . . wait, that's McGyver--sorry!

LMAO!!..leave it to you Eric..

I think you mean Ocean's 12 since that is where they steal the egg thing. And if you remember correctally they got caught when they tried to do it at the museum. They stole the real thing while it was being transported. I some how doubt the Fett helmet is being transported in a backpack on a train.

Further I think the oppterunity to "Ocean's 12" it would have been at CIV. Really how hard would it have been to just swap out one of Justin's or Jason's helmets for the real deal? No glass and minimal security. No one would have noticed until it was time to pack the thing up. Call it an oppterunity lost my friends.

I'm with SingleSeat. As far as RS's plug is concerned... that's the damned closest thing to the original size as you'll find.

Originally Posted by Predatormv

Call it an oppterunity lost my friends.

Don't remind me..

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

In talking with Lee at length he also said the same thing in regards to shrinkage..."less than the thickness of human hair"....I kinda didn't follow/ understand that whole theory??
Do you think way back when Lee's current Plug was made that "shrinkage" was even a concern for the makers of that mold?
And if not, then there would be a slight possibillty of what is known to occur in the prop community as some level of shrinkage, no?

I mean I know there are better products out now that can prevent any type of Shrinkage, but back then?? did they really consider all that?
I don't think its to ridiculas or to far fetched to make the assumption on the products they used back then that "MIGHT" cause some type of Shrinkage? It's Kinda a valid question when speaking in terms of exact accuracy....

About "human hair," I'm not saying it because Lee said it. I'm saying it because the numbers and percentages say it. Higher math is the language of the universe and I'll trust it before I'll believe what you say about tottering on a foot stool next to the real prop and holding another bucket in the air. For your own sanity, just stop trying to discredit the guy's helmet. Be happy with the project you have going here.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Again I think Unless you've seen the real deal up close....

You're really wearing me out with that man (definitely need to hear a new chorus). It just doesn't hold up under a caliper and it really doesn't hold up with known dimensions to cross-check.

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

I guess that depends on what you mean by "shrinkage." If you sit two helmets beside each other and see differences -- that's what you can measure with a ruler. I think the MS1 and S/F mysteries are fairly safe in the qualities of their lineage -- however modified lineage they may be.

Where's Lee on this one? I know enough to vouch for now, that fortunately for RS, he had the best industry men on the job with this one (why wouldn't he?), so no, IF (and that's a BIG "IF") there was shrinkage it would be in the undetectable thousanths upon thousanths. We're talking less than the thickness of human hair. That plug wasn't just a bit of work from someone's garage, that much is apparent now. I heard that shrinkage rumor a long time ago, and not only do I not agree, but digital measuring instruments disagree too. That thing has been through so much scrutiny it's rediculous. When you add found parts, the measurements are identical. I'm a patient pefectionist type, and I've got to hand it to that plug, RS is a lucky dude.

I would love to hear Lees thoughts on that. Having never seen the plug, never seen posted measurments of the plug... I can only speculate. But I agree that Lee would know better as he has done a battery of tests and measurements on that thing.

WOW, did I hit a nerve or something???

Look, like it or not they are VALID questions....I don't see where I was trying to discredit anyone?? heck I even talked to Lee about the same types of things.....and trust me, it was more than a civil discussion....but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

When it comes down to it unless you have exhibit A helmet in front of you, VS. "EXHIBIT" B helmet....then WE will all never really know...

Again sorry that my valid questions bother you...but please for the sake of the thread please leave your comments TO ME directed in PM only.....as you never returned my last PM to you.....no point in ruining another thread SS.

Thanks SS

and for the record, I've actually seen the real thing, in person.

Originally Posted by evan4218

I would love to hear Lees thoughts on that. Having never seen the plug, never seen posted measurments of the plug... I can only speculate. But I agree that Lee would know better as he has done a battery of tests and measurements on that thing.

hmm. I thought it was posted around here somewhere a few years ago. Sure the plug is nice and all, but I don't want to pull the thread too far away from the FPH. nudge, nudge. I'm sure everyone would still like to see more mystery-comparison whenever possible.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

...please for the sake of the thread please leave your comments TO ME directed in PM only.....as you never returned my last PM to you.....

That's because you're the sole member of SingleSeat's vBulleten Ignor List, so I never received that PM after I told you to get out of my office the other day. I guess I couldn't hear you were still talking after the door closed, but, no, we're not going to PM anymore, and now I'm just going to stop answering you and let you exist peacefully in your own world.

This thread looks like fun.....can I find someone to argue with about my ****** scratch built helmet?
Rob

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

hmm. I thought it was posted around here somewhere a few years ago. Sure the plug is nice and all, but I don't want to pull the thread too far away from the FPH. nudge, nudge. I'm sure everyone would still like to see more mystery-comparison whenever possible.

Good point SS.

What as far as Mystery Helmets go is the closest to the real deal in lineage? I always believed that the MS1 was more so then the Sgn Fang. But I could be wrong. I just believed they came from different sources with the same origin. If that is true we want to compare this FPH to the MS1.

Originally Posted by evan4218

What as far as Mystery Helmets go is the closest to the real deal in lineage? I always believed that the MS1 was more so then the Sgn Fang. But I could be wrong. I just believed they came from different sources with the same origin. If that is true we want to compare this FPH to the MS1.

Impossible to say for sure. Both were simply bought off eBay by their "owners" with no true knowledge of their history.... If possible, compare it to both. No such thing as too much information or too many pics.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

Impossible to say for sure. Both were simply bought off eBay by their "owners" with no true knowledge of their history.... If possible, compare it to both. No such thing as too much information or too many pics.

Good point. From the comparisons I have done between the MS1 and the Sarge, the Sarge seems a tad smaller... this could be from sanding and remastering... and from additional generations of recastings... but no way to be sure. Once we get a pull of the final FPH helmet I will make sure we get some picks of it next to each of those.

Ok I'm here. Well uh errr where to begin. As Chris said forget the shrinkage thing the piece was cast in ultracal which has some of the lowest shrinkage percentage of anything you could have cast it from. Chris has a copy of my helmet (there I let the cat out of the bag) so he has looked it over. I think you guys did a gret job on this one and I'm very happy folks have another good helmet to add to their collections.

I thought your plug was bronze? Hmm... not sure where I herd it was bronze but oh well... that just means I was wrong. LOL Thanks for the info Lee.

It was coated with a copper spray to protect it.

Originally Posted by Rogue Studios

No sweat press on. Not the time for this anyway just get some paint on that thing now.

AMEN to that!!

Originally Posted by Rogue Studios

No sweat press on. Not the time for this anyway just get some paint on that thing now.

that's the spirit!

I good thread almost ruined!!

thanks Lee for jumping in!!

SS chill man....lots of people are afraid of Spiders...its OK man

We all know LEES Helmet is the BEST...its a cast off the original

and I think we all now believe FP's new bucket might be the BEST Fanmade....

so in short they are both awesome..end of discussion!!

now lets all go watch ESB tonight and remember its just STAR WARS not religion or politics we are talking about!!!

Everyone just chill..........

Now that everyone's chilled, we can return to the fawning and adulation...GREAT FRICKIN' HELMET!!

THANK THE MAKER I got my money back from amiadfilter (rookie mistake--I'd rather not go into it right now).

Where's the sign up sheet for the first run? Huh? Where? Where?

Originally Posted by maj. hassel

Where's the sign up sheet for the first run? Huh? Where? Where?

Yes back on track.

FP should be coming out with all the details soon.....
looks like there might be some addtional Exciting details that have yet to be mentioned with this new bucket....fingers-crossed!

More new news.... your killing me?!!

More new news.... your killing me?!!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

As Promised....


Terminal Fettler vs FPH




...Both AWESOME HELMETS!

Hey Spidey, what was your impression of the FPH compared to TF? I'm finding the picture confusing because in the first image the TF looks overall larger; the dome and Tshape, but the 2nd and third the FPH seems larger. looking at it in photoshop and superimposing the two, the FPH seems slightly larger overall with longer mandibles. Is that a true assumption?

Phil

Originally Posted by hellopike

Hey Spidey, what was your impression of the FPH compared to TF? I'm finding the picture confusing because in the first image the TF looks overall larger; the dome and Tshape, but the 2nd and third the FPH seems larger. looking at it in photoshop and superimposing the two, the FPH seems slightly larger overall with longer mandibles. Is that a true assumption?
Phil

In my opinion I think the TF is the closest thing to the new FPH in terms of details out of all the helmets we looked at...
Over all the TF is very close in size, not as wide, and slightly taller than the FPH..

And just for the record all the fan-made helmets we looked at are all great helmets, we just wanted to give people an over all picture of the size of the FPH based on what people currently have, nothing more.
...Heck I wish I could own all of them as a collector, but the wifey won't let me...

Wider then the TF, eh? Huh. The TF helmet is a big helmet. But I agree about what you said earlier- the real deal is a big helmet. I didn't realize just how big until I saw mine for the first time. I'm also happy to hear that the TF is closest overall to the FPH though. =)

Phil

The FPH 'almost' identical to the TF helmet, good job on it tho

Justin, did you guys do a BM comparison?

Originally Posted by hellopike

Wider then the TF, eh? Huh. The TF helmet is a big helmet. But I agree about what you said earlier- the real deal is a big helmet. I didn't realize just how big until I saw mine for the first time. I'm also happy to hear that the TF is closest overall to the FPH though. =)

Phil

What I meant was, the "details" like the mandible rim, most of the edges, the key slot box on the TF, are all similar and have very clean edges like the FPH helmet.
But over all the TF is ultimately Bigger because of it's hieght.....i have a ton more shots, some straight on shots. I can post those if you'd like.?? let me know?

Alex

Yeah....I'm going to have to go with "I want one" on this. Or maybe, "I need one" would be a little more accurate.

It appears (as of right now) that there will be machined aluminum ears (own sculpted ear masters for the FPH) made available at a VERY reasonable additional cost, if there is interest

I would be extremely impressed if you could offer a set of machined aluminum ears for less than what your selling the bucket for..

Why do I feel like the "monkey " has been lifted off my back??...thanks Chris for that post...bout time!!

And I told you there was another surprise..ALUMINUM EARS!!! WOO HOO!!....again the details have yet to be worked out...but I think most will be pleasantly surprised with the price on these...again fingers-crossed people.

Originally Posted by fettpride

Answers to other pertinent details, such as availability you might ask? Well, as with all of my projects, I will be recouping some of my R&D, and sweat equity. So I will make a few reasonably available if there is interest.

. . . Oh, I think there might be just the smallest shadow of interest from 1 or 2 folks.

Machined ears?? No..no one would want any of those. I mean why would they? That is just non-sense.

Just kidding of course! That is an awesome supprise! I for one will deffintally have the metal ears with mine please sir.

FPH= YES!
Machined ears= YES!

Color me interested.

Oh man. Sounds like it keeps getting better all the time. I cannot get on the sign up list fast enough.

Well when the MR ahelmet arrives all of your questions will be answered and you'll have a metal set of ears with it to boot. It's a laser scan off a real helmet.

Lee

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

And I told you there was another surprise..ALUMINUM EARS!!! WOO HOO!!....again the details have yet to be worked out...but I think most will be pleasantly surprised with the price on these...again fingers-crossed people.

Unbelievably Awesome!!!

**DOUBLE POST**

Originally Posted by Rogue Studios

Well when the MR ahelmet arrives all of your questions will be answered and you'll have a metal set of ears with it to boot. It's a laser scan off a real helmet.

Lee

Amen to that! I'm not too proud to say that I'll own an MR myself !


Speaking of, thought I'd get the party started on the gallery I spoke of earlier. The follwing is the first pic I took in the project. Or in the first set anyway. I had already cut the dome in one direction and put it back together, and started shaving the ears off. But it's as clear as day, that it's an MSH2 (Ears on version), the dent doesn't lie. Oh, and the overly wavey brow.



The rest of the images can be found here. they're in the process of uploading, as their is approx 200 of them. SO if they're not all there initially, they will be soon. Ithink I've even got more to come. I'm still digging around for all of them

FPH PICS


Enjoy

FP

Man Chris... why do you always have to do it to me? Make me NEED more of your stuff!

Awesome!!! I guess that means I can stop the campaign to bring back the MSH-2, That is a seriously great looking helmet, if there is ever a list please put me down

Originally Posted by Rogue Studios

Well when the MR ahelmet arrives all of your questions will be answered and you'll have a metal set of ears with it to boot. It's a laser scan off a real helmet.

Lee

Aren't the MR Ears going to be die-cast ears??


And Great Build up pics FP....!!

WOW, I just finished looking all the Build up pics, I think there are a few you never sent me Chris....Love those Pepsi Drink Cups!!

Truely amazing amazing work bro...:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup..you are a true Artist.:thumbup

I think all those Build-up pics should dispel ANY rumors..

Amazing work as always FP. However, you really should sweep up your shop floor. The butts are a bit distracting.

Question #5 - How are you going to handle the Borden Connector?

WOW, FP! I saw the build-up pics. That is one crazy FG jigsaw puzzle you've got there! Can't wait to see the final results.

Ok, when do you start putting the list together, and where do we pay pal? Big yes, yes, yes, can't wait to get one asap Spidey

Man, those progress shots were great!
Just amazing to watch something like this come together.

jeez chris I dont think you took enough pictures.

All of the progress pics are cool to see.
Again, Awesome helmet!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

WOW, I just finished looking all the Build up pics, I think there are a few you never sent me Chris....Love those Pepsi Drink Cups!!

Truely amazing amazing work bro...:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup..you are a true Artist.:thumbup

I think all those Build-up pics should dispel ANY rumors..

They are indeed die cast....

WOW!!

Those build up pics are amazing...true craftsmanship.

though i wish you had captions on some of them so we know what was going thru your head while remaking this helmet... it must have drove you nuts...lol

**I'm just finishing up my scratch made RF top, and i'm proud of it... i can only imagine what you feel!

put me on the sign up list!!

Nice buildup pics, Chris!

Can't wait to order one of these. Great work.

Wow, I´m interested in and the metal ears are sounding really good !

When these are ready, I am in for two of them!

That's looking real good. Nicely done!

Just keep coming back to this thread, still very interested!!! Easily the best fan made helmet (In my humble opinion) FP pm sent

I keep coming back, too, hoping for more info on signing up, price, availability, etc. Maybe one of these days...

Forgive my extreme enthusiasm, any updates?

Originally Posted by HeadlessHunter

Forgive my extreme enthusiasm, any updates?

Sorry folks for the lack of updates...
There has been some personal issues come up, but the Project is still a go.!.

Updates soon.

when ever you guys are ready. Please put me on the list.

Same here count on me

P.S. I know this question is out of the topic but... is there any news on the Boba gauntlets ??? (specially ESB :o:o:o...)

Same here, please let me know when this goes on sale.

Ditto!.......!!!

Originally Posted by SEEKER

when ever you guys are ready. Please put me on the list.

Please put me on the list. Can't wait to get this bucket!

That bucket is beyond awesome...

Bump
I keep worrying that im going to miss this, im not around here much at the moment, moving house isnt as simple as it should be

I'm in the same spot. I don't get to check this board much, but put me on the list for this. I was going to wait and go after a Master Replicas one, but we should find out about this one first. totally sweet!

It looks like I joined these forums at just the right time...definitely put me on the list for one. Wow.

When there's a list I'll be on it. This is a beautiful helmet and I love that it is coming from a collaboration of talented people here on TDH, a true TDH helmet. FP is amazing.

i'm definitely down for this!

So where is the magical helm?

When ever there is a list for this bucket I really, really want one. F.Y.I. Can you put me down for a bucket when they are offered for sale, thanks.
-Zane

Ditto..Love to be on the list when there is one..thanks jjv5150

How cool is it to be a Fett right now!! Outstanding work by all those involved:thumbup If this is indeed the thread to express a commitment please include me on the list
~Kevin

Originally Posted by Predatormv

I think you mean Ocean's 12 since that is where they steal the egg thing. And if you remember correctally they got caught when they tried to do it at the museum. They stole the real thing while it was being transported. I some how doubt the Fett helmet is being transported in a backpack on a train.

Further I think the oppterunity to "Ocean's 12" it would have been at CIV. Really how hard would it have been to just swap out one of Justin's or Jason's helmets for the real deal? No glass and minimal security. No one would have noticed until it was time to pack the thing up. Call it an oppterunity lost my friends.

Ya know, having the entire costume out there in the open, I can only imagine that a lot of fans ran a "gettaway" route through their head at some point during the viewing. I was in the room when Mr. Fett was being put into position, but prior to the unpacking it was clear that the helmet was arriving first class while the rest of the costume arrived crated. Here is a pic that I snuck while I was in the room.

So they just brought the whole shebang in in one huge crate??? That's pretty wild!
His face reminds me of a sideways version of Bele and Loki from that old Star Trek episode.
(Yes, I like Trek stuff, too. . . )

WOW..now that is a cool pic!!

Originally Posted by TK172

Ya know, having the entire costume out there in the open, I can only imagine that a lot of fans ran a "gettaway" route through their head at some point during the viewing. I was in the room when Mr. Fett was being put into position, but prior to the unpacking it was clear that the helmet was arriving first class while the rest of the costume arrived crated. Here is a pic that I snuck while I was in the room.

Yikes! Sorry to hear about the mishap, but. . .
Yaaaaaahoooooooo!! Great news!
My birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks. I know what I'd like to have!

Sorry to hear about the shipping problem! Was the package insured?

I think no insurance company can pay enough to cover this awesome project.
It´s like trying to calculating a price for the lost Atlantis.

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Sorry to hear about the shipping problem! Was the package insured?

Aww man! Why do bad things always happen to good(AWESOME) buckets? Well, thank goodness it was repairable! Thanks for the update FP!

Originally Posted by fettpride

The short of it is this ... while the helmet was in route back to me from Spidey's house, it had an unfortunate "accident" in transit with our uber reliable United States Postal Service. I took a few pics of the damage. To say the least, it was crushed. But not beyond repair I took a few pics of the damage that I'll post with the official update.

FP

Sorry to hear about the damage, but gald to hear that it's repairable and back on track.

Yeh thanks for the update FP, much appreciated

This is a work of art. And this is lookinmg like an expensive late summer/early fall for me. Has a price been determined for this bad boy?

Is it much bigger than the SgtFang? Need a bigger bucket for my melon....

Thanks for the update Chris....

and yes I wanted to cry when I saw the damage pics after sending it back to FP.........

Now EVERYONE STOP PMing me and filling up my pm box!!! I'm just kiddin....I , as well as FP will post updates as we can...


Peace..

Originally Posted by fettpride

Ya keep comin up with them


Ok, small update. Let's call it a "pre- update". I'll be posting a full write up tomorrow.

The short of it is this ... while the helmet was in route back to me from Spidey's house, it had an unfortunate "accident" in transit with our uber reliable United States Postal Service. I took a few pics of the damage. To say the least, it was crushed. But not beyond repair I took a few pics of the damage that I'll post with the official update.

The good news, is the project is still a go ! I wasn't sure for a week or so while I worked on repairing it, so we figured it best to keep our mouth's shut until it was clear as to if it could be repaired properly or not.

The molding process begins this coming week ... it should take me the better part of the week to do this between everything else that's going on. I've also had a couple of other commitments that were pressing as well, so the postal blunder just set everything back a couple of weeks. I just finished a couple of customer projects that were promised, as well as an interesting little "300 Spartan" project/collaboration with our very own "Seeker". There was a deadline involved, and it was promised quite sometime ago ... so I had to drop a few other "Balls" per say to get make that a reality.

So, stay tuned ... pics to come, I'll even take some pics of the molding process and make them avilable later on the site. Good time to do a casting tutorial. Although that could shoot me in the foot, teach the world to recast this new helmet? (just kidding)

Thanks for hangin in there guys and gals. And to those waiting on earpiece masters ... they're still comin. You know who you are


FP

WOOT!!!! Cant wait to see the pics bro. And thanks for the update.

Heya Guys !


Sorry it took so long - AGAIN Everytime I turn around something else grabs my attention ... I think I've got adult ADD !!

So here are the pics I promised from the end of this last week, broken helmet, broken heart

No bigee ... the very last pics shows what it looked like about 4 days ago, repaired and on it's way to a finish coat before molding commenced YESTERDAY !!! Whoo Whoo !!!

It doesn't look as bad in the lics I'm sure. HOWEVER ... it was BAD. Mainly because it was briken at the most important places, and in the hardest places to fix in th efashion that it was designed or intended before the post office whooops !



























So, more updates to come. I would have liked to have these ready for the DC goers to wear, but I think I've blown that now, there wouldn't be enough time to paint one up However, I may be able to produce a casting before then, that someone will be able to take with them there for the TDH croud to check out ... that's what I'm shooting for anyway !

Thanks for everyone's patience ... I'm workin as hard as I can given the circumstances and chaos

FP

Looks good FP! Thanks for the update!

Damm FP! That's a real setback...feel your pain bro. Good luck on the repair and thanks for the update though.

Stay safe,

Tim.