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  1. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    Mar 27, 2014, 7:18 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #26

    I custom sized the templates with much trial and error, skewing, and such to get the Raf templates to fit the panels perfectly. I am going for a pretty much dead-on look for the FPH2. I'm allowing myself a little leeway on the Budget bucket though.
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  3. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    Apr 22, 2015, 10:13 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #27

    Necronaut's Necro-thread back from the dead!

    My ASOK Budget (the one I was doing as an AOSW paint job) got a really bad warp and crack in the middle of both cheeks from the steel bracing bar I epoxied. Funny thing is that I epoxied it in to prevent the cheeks from warping in or cracking!?
  4. RafalFett's Avatar
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    Oct 2010
    Apr 23, 2015, 1:34 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #28

    Wow! Your paint job looks great and almost all those small details are in the right place and shape. There are 2 areas that have missing details:


    Keep up the awesome work!
  5. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    Apr 23, 2015, 8:37 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #29

    Thanks for pointing those out! I did see that I missed them once I uncrossed my poor eyes.
  6. superjedi's Avatar
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    Jul 2003
    Apr 24, 2015, 2:09 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #30

    Excellent! That right rear panel is a killer.
  7. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    Apr 26, 2015, 10:05 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #31

    Done the panels!

    This is what I think is an old Budget Fett helmet, possibly made by ASOK years ago. Its got a cold cast finish. It takes all of the AOSW ESB helmet scratches really well! I'll do the rust stains and ink stains on the helmet as finishing for the helmet once its got all its paint.

    My FPH2 helmet. I'm going for the screen used ESB look.

    Next, I'm going to follow Ponte's layered paint-up recipe for the rest of the helmet. I'll be airbrushing the rest of the helmet in Model Master Acryl LichtBrau RLM 76, to create the base gray. After that, lots of printing and modifying existing Raf templates to mask off the base gray in prep for Humbrol 11 silver.
    And don't mind the purple spot in the middle right of the pics, they're bad pixels or something on my camera.
  8. thebeans's Avatar
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    May 2012
    Apr 27, 2015, 7:28 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #32

    Like a pro!!!
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    Oct 2012
    May 21, 2015, 9:27 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #33

    Aside from some major work related events, duties, etc., I have been working slowly and steadily on both of my helmets. Both helmets had their rear panels masked off, then were sprayed with the MM Acryl LichtBlau RLM 76.

    Then, I first took Raf's ESB templates and used Inkscape to custom resize each template to both of my helmets. I resized and saved only the full color shot of each template, custom sized to each helmet. This took lots of measuring, cutting, and even some trial and error.

    Once I was satisfied with the templates and their alignment marks and points on the helmet, I went about scribing on the primer blue layer. Each helmet took about 2-3 days to scribe and fill in the masking. It was masked off with Humbrol Maskol.

    Here's both helmets, moments away from receiving their Humbrol 11 silver. You can see the color of the LichtBlau base paint layer.

    On the left is the FPH2 in its LichtBlau paint. The Budget bucket just got its coat of Humbrol Silver 11.

    This is a close-up of the Humbrol silver paint, under incandescent lights.

    Here's the FPH2 a day after getting its coat of Humbrol Silver 11. I have my trooping GMH bucket, painted topically by hand, mostly using superjedi's paint list. The silver on the GMH is the piston silver acrylic from PollyScale. This pic was taken in the early evening outside. The sun was behind some trees.

    A close-up of the FPH2 and its Humbrol 11 silver.

    I gotta say, it looks pretty gray. It only has the slightest hint of pearlescence and metal fleck. I know I whined about this in my ESB 2.0 thread : but I really do want these to turn out as stellar looking as possible.

    I do have another different tin of Silver 11. Should I crack that one open and try to re-spray these helmets? Or is this what it is supposed to look like?

    This is my test bed of these two colors. You should be able to see where I masked off a bit of the blue under the Humbrol 11 silver.
    Last edited by Necronaut; May 21, 2015 at 9:41 PM.
  10. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    May 21, 2015, 9:42 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #34

    BTW, I am totally willing to take more pics if you all want other lighting conditions.
  11. May 22, 2015, 3:16 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #35

    Not sure if its my computer or not, but I'm finding it really hard to see silver, grey maybe but not silver....I'm sure it's just my computer....
    Great paint up so far, loving it
  12. superjedi's Avatar
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    May 22, 2015, 6:46 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #36

    Been working hard on these I see!
    Don't know if it's just my screen, but that silver does look pretty gray...

    What do you think of the acrylic piston silver? I picked up a bottle a while back but haven't used it yet except for some small color tests. I think it looks pretty good, but it doesn't brush on as smoothly as the enamel bright silver.
  13. May 22, 2015, 7:09 AM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #37

    I must have two faulty screens just looked at it on my iPad and it still looks grey....

    Im a big fan of Floquil silver, paints smooth, and sprays like a dream..... Hard to find round these parts(NZ) what I call a treasure, because when I do find some I hoard as much as I can for a rainy day
  14. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    May 23, 2015, 7:48 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #38

    Let me preface this post by giving a very serious and well-deserved shout-out to all the talented helmet painters out there, whether you are working on their own helmets, and/or doing commissions for others.
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    That being said, I am going to be referring to what Ponte had to say about his latest ESB helmet paint-up, one of the best ESB helmet paintjobs I have ever seen. It is jaw-dropping, gorgeous, and a standard I hope to merely approach.

    If you've read my last post, you know that I have some problems with the Humbrol Silver 11 I tried to lay down on my helmet this week. Rather than a pearlescent sparkly silver, it came out gray. Now in all honesty, it looks a little like that reflective high-visibility material on safety vests, running clothing, etc... just a defective version of it. It looks like it would be highly reflective, if only the light would hit it at the right angle. Alas, here isn't an angle it will suddenly 'pop' at. For the TL;DR version, "It's just not working as a proper silver. At all."

    Scouring the Web, around 2013 people started posting some negative feedback about the new formulations of Humbrol enamel paints, silver being one of the ones receiving a lot of this flack. Apparently I wasn't the only one getting gray out of their Silver 11 tins. Right on the money, it was about April 2013 when I bought the silver enamel I am currently trying to use for my two helmets. The results of airbrushing that silver (I really should have trusted my test cards!! Lesson learned.) speak for themselves, just see my previous post.

    In general, we in the prop and costume community are looking for realistic looking metal finishes. The current "unicorn chaser" in the SW community in terms of metal finishes would have to be the upcoming Captain Phasma costume (how the heck are we going to do that?!). In fact, at a troop this morning, I was consulted by almost everyone there about what we should do to achieve that finish. I guess they think I know what I'm doing, when it comes to paint and weathering? Please! It's just happy accidents!

    In regards to the Fett costume, Ponte (and others, I wish I could give you appropriate credit here) have remarked on a couple separate occasions that the screen-accurate metal/silver paint on the original Fett armour and helmet appears to be a metal flake paint.

    With modern paint formulations and techniques, we can now easily achieve a very seamless metallic look with a simple rattle can. The key to its success, and the issue with this paint that kind of renders it a surprisingly poor choice, is that it dries ultra-smooth.
    Because it has a very smooth surface with little tooth, it becomes highly reflective. Yay!
    Because it has a very smooth surface with little tooth, it doesn't take subsequent paint layers very well at all. There's nothing for the new paint to bite into.

    Because of the screen-accurate suggestions on the metal paint being an older metal flake sort, and my previous and well documented issues with trying to get new paint layers sticking to a smooth modern metallic paint, I don't want to use a modern metallic paint. I'm going to go for something that still has a little tooth and texture to it, and will ultimately be more screen accurate. I want a silver metal flake paint. I want an alternative to Humbrol Silver 11. And I think I found it:

    This is Testors Auto Lacquer 'Diamond Dust' silver paint. It's got sparkle. It's got shimmer. It's got that pearlescent tone (at least according to the plastic cap). The fleck is about the same size as the Humbrol.

    Here it is on my test card, and a small shot of it on some spare wood in my paint booth. It is most definitely silver! And it's got sparkle! This is under fluorescent light.

    Here it is in direct sunlight, laying at an angle to the light.

    Here it is outdoors, in the shade.

  15. syllander's Avatar
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    Sep 2013
    May 23, 2015, 9:34 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #39

    Looks pretty good man. Might have to try it myself. I'll be watching....just finally got my airbrush so I'm reading everything I can now lol.
  16. Member Since
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    May 23, 2015, 10:11 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #40

    Upon further testing, I have found the following based on the presumed or theoretical color/color of the tin cap of the Humbol Silver 11...

    The size and quantity of the metal flake seems consistent between the Humbrol Silver tin cap and the Testors Diamond Dust.

    The color of the pigment mixed into the paints is different though. The Testors tends towards a very slightly blue tone, while the Humbrol tin cap maintains a white or ghost gray tone to it. It is a very minor difference in color tone.

    In my opinion, it's pretty much not noticeable except in a side-by-side comparison of the two metal paints. If this is of consequence to you, I suggest you steer clear of the Testors and find yourself a vintage bottle of Humbrol 11. However, if you want a slight pearlescence in your silver paint, you should expect to see some actual blue, red, and yellow reflection and refraction tones in your paint. You may be able to explain away the really only a very little blue tone in the Testors as a mere variance brought on by the metal fleck shifting the light and color values ever so slightly.

    TL;DR: Not an exact match, but once you look at it in a finished and properly weathered helmet I doubt anyone could tell the difference.

    IMHO: Looks good to me, so I coated my Budget helmet with it already. It's drying as we speak. I will post pics of the Budget helmet soon for feedback.
  17. Member Since
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    May 23, 2015, 10:18 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #41

    An overall pic of the rear dome...

    The keyslots up close. Hopefully you can make out the fleck itself.

    Both pics were taken outside near dusk. No flash. Hence the slightly bluer than normal tones.
  18. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    May 24, 2015, 11:48 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #42

    Ok, the drama's over. They're both painted silver, and buffed smooth with some 0000 steel wool. You can pick out the base gray damage around the mandibles and the dent in this pic. Happy happy!

    It'll be a while before another update, I think. Between two helmets and a 5-day business trip to SoCal this week, I expect 2 or 3 weeks to stencil in and mask up the gray.
  19. catbread's Avatar
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    4 Weeks Ago - May 27, 2015, 11:47 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #43

    That testors looks like a spot on alternative to the Humbrol 11.
  20. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    3 Weeks Ago - Jun 3, 2015, 10:48 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #44

    Still plugging away at the silver masking, in prep for the gray...

    Suggestions welcome! Cheers!
  21. Member Since
    Oct 2012
    2 Weeks Ago - Jun 15, 2015, 11:17 PM - Re: Necro's FPH2 and Asok in ESB #45

    Progress on the old ASOK lid:

    I sprayed this helmet with Model Master Euro Gray 1 enamel from a rattle can (the hobby shop had no enamel bottles) about a week ago. I peeled the masking off tonight, but I still found the paint a little soft and smelling of solvents. We've had some kind of humid and wet weather over the last week, so that may have something to do with it. Here in the Canadian Prairies, it's usually pretty dry in and around the summer though. Some scratches are through the green or maroon paint and go all the way down to the silver; I left those masks on.

    This helmet will still get a couple weeks to cure up the gray enamel before I start masking it up for the dome and cheek green. I'm learning from my mistakes on this one then applying the lessons learned on the FPH2. I have finished masking the scratch at the top of the dome and working my way from the back towards the cat-scratch over the right eye.

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