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    Nov 9, 2006, 9:25 AM - My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #1

    Many thanks go to Alan for his templates and to Honus for the inspiration that a cardboard bucket can be done, and done well.

    The work you see here in the first post was all done in a few hours on a saturday. I'll try and explain step by step what each picture is and how it was done for those who have never attempted a scratch build with Alan's templates and maybe it can be used as a "how to" guide to go along with Honus' guide.

    * FYI to help match things up, descriptions of each picture will be below the photo


    I made the mistake of using packing tape for most of the helmet, which you will see in most of the pictures. In this case I would recommend using tape because this inner form gets removed later, using tape made it easier to take out.



    A top down view of the same step: both of which show the helmet base and the inner form.



    Inner surface and dome base attached. To curve the pieces, first I attached them end to end, then I rolled them like a newspaper, if that makes any sense.



    angle 2



    angle 3



    angle 4



    outer surface attached, inner surface cut into to make room for the cheek, 1 piece of the cheek attached.



    angle 2



    angle 3



    learning from the first side, I traced the cheek onto the inner surface to be cut out before attaching anything.



    inner surface cut out.



    attaching the outer survace



    continuing to attach the outer surface




    outer surface attached, cheek attached.



    angle 2



    brain surgery, Hannible Lecter style. Needed to open the lid to ge the other parts of the cheek in.



    removed to bottom, leaving a ring to hold the form, removed the inner form pieces, which folded and popped out easily due to the fact that I was using tape. attached the 2 pieces of the cheeks together and attached it to the upper cheek area and to the bottom ring.



    angle 2



    without the flash to see the 3D form a little better w/o flash washing it out.



    looking down through the top



    dome form cut and attached, Kinda. I made a second dome base, so that the dome and the rest of the bucket are seperate pieces, to make working on the inner parts easier.



    angle 2



    here you can see the 2 seperate pieces



    my formerly headless manaquin now has the start of his head.



    angle 2



    angle 3

    I have since completed the dome, taking pictures along the way of course. Pictures have not been uploaded yet.

    More to come.
  2. I helped at SDCC '08 Jimmy BufFETT's Avatar
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    Nov 9, 2006, 10:42 AM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #2

    Awesome job so far. Can't wait to see the pics of the dome.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 10:49 AM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #3

    That just freakin amazes me.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 10:54 AM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #4

    Wooooooow good job man.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 2:44 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #5

    very cool
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    Nov 9, 2006, 5:13 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #6

    Great helmet.

    Nice background too.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 5:16 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #7

    That is exactly the way I did my mock-up!! Nice work!! Thanks for setting up a tutorial, I don't know when I'll ever get to it!!

    Alan
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    Nov 9, 2006, 5:27 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #8

    nice job
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    Nov 9, 2006, 6:18 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #9

    thanks for the comments guys!

    on with the dome



    this may not have been the best way to do it, but here's what I did: I taped the 3 pieces together then started attaching the triangles starting at the front on piece 1, all without being attached to the dome base or the dome form.



    angle 2



    angle 3



    finished and resting on the rest of the helmet.



    the inside view: As you can see, there's just the one piece of tape on the inside, I did all of the taping on the outside. I have since gone back and hotglued the seems, the dome base and the dome form, then removed the tape carefully and smeared elmers white glue over almost the whole outside of the dome.



    angle 2 of the inside



    and one shot of the helmet with dome resting on top, unattached, on the otherwise headless manaquin.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 6:19 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #10

    Quote wizardofflight said: View Post
    That is exactly the way I did my mock-up!! Nice work!! Thanks for setting up a tutorial, I don't know when I'll ever get to it!!

    Alan

    Good to know that I'm following along how you did yours. Thanks for the comments!
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    Nov 9, 2006, 6:21 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #11

    Quote COPENHAGEN6 said: View Post
    Great helmet.

    Nice background too.

    thanks, that's just one wall of my Star Wars room! Maybe one day, I'll get around to posting pics of the whole room.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 7:59 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #12

    Great work so far! Gotta love cardboard....
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    Nov 9, 2006, 8:07 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #13

    Great work on the dome. Gotta question for ya: do the traingles all come to a point once they are placed bended? In a few of the pictures, it looks like the top of the dome is pointed, but in the "angle 3" picture, it looks smooth. Just wonderin' if I am seein' things or if you made an adjustment.
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    Nov 9, 2006, 8:14 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #14

    Thats sweet. You've got some talent. Keep us posted
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    Nov 9, 2006, 10:17 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #15

    Quote Jimmy BufFETT said: View Post
    Great work on the dome. Gotta question for ya: do the traingles all come to a point once they are placed bended? In a few of the pictures, it looks like the top of the dome is pointed, but in the "angle 3" picture, it looks smooth. Just wonderin' if I am seein' things or if you made an adjustment.

    It did come to a point. At least at first. I put a piece of tape temporarily at the center on the inside to help bring it all together. The top now very smooth after the dome form pieces were glued into place, or once the top was glued to the form, depending on how you think about it.

    I'll get some shots of the inside of the dome with the forms in place when I get the chance.

    I haven't worked on the helmet for a few days, so I haven't taken any additional photos. If you have an specific parts of the helmet you want me to photograph, let me know and I'll try and get them for ya.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 5:34 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #16

    ****UPDATE****



    here you can see the dome section before i started coating/sealing it with Mod-Podge, which you can see in the picture. The dome form pieces have been glued in at this point which flattens out the top making it less pointy



    more of the same, with less flash



    started sealing it. The stuff goes on white and dries clear.



    Here I've cut off the outer surface around the back to get the ridge, however the cardboard I used was not thick enough to create the ridge



    very washed out view, but i'm inserting 2 more layers of cardboard between the inner and outer surfaces to get a bigger ridge



    adding the layers



    sealing the helmet



    No details in this shot due to the flash washing it out, but i was going for the outline anyways, to show the form of the top of the dome: no point.



    I couldn't find an exact shape of the dent, so I kinda winged it (that would be something to add to the templates Alan, the location and shape/size of both the arrows and the dent.) I took the 25mm by 25mm measurements listed on tk401's site and the general shape as shown in the painting stensils progress photoed by AFettFullofDollars traced it onto the helmet in my best guess location. Then I poked a hole in the center, and cut from the center to the corners. After that I just stuck my finger in the dent to push it in then started using hot glue on the outside and inside (not shown) let it cool a little then rounded it a little with the cap of a sharpie pen.



    angle 2



    dome resting on the rest of the bucket



    angle 2



    angle 3

    I am currently adding more layers of Mod Podge to seal it, Mod Podge is sandable so once I've got a good number of layers built up, I can sand it and prime it

    I also still need to make the keyhole section as well as the ears. I would also like to put a metal ring on the inside of the rim as well as the base of the dome to help keep it's shape.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 7:46 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #17

    I feel as if I'm there adding layers of Mod Podge with you.

    Don't keep me in suspense......

    Keep up the good work.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 8:04 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #18

    Great work. I think the dome is just a tad too high, though.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 10:09 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #19

    Quote TeamFett said: View Post
    Great work. I think the dome is just a tad too high, though.

    that may be the case, or it could be the camera angle...

    i'm not sure what i could have done wrong if it is too high... the dome is already a good 1/4 inch smaller than the rest of the helmet all the way around, so if i shrunk the dome template any more that ridge would be even bigger.

    how too high does it look to you? I'd rather change it sooner than later.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 11:12 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #20

    ****UPDATE****



    keyhole setup started



    from the pictures I've looked at, it looks like the keyholes slant inward into the bucket the farther towards the bottom, i wasn't sure how to do this with the pieces in the templates so I made 2 skinny triangles and a skinny rectangle to attach the whole thing to the inside of the helmet to give it that slant



    with the keyholes installed into the helmet



    slightly different angle after everything dried



    the ridge and the rangefinder side w/o the ear, i had to build it up with layers of cardboard. I think I used about 6 sheets or so cut to the correct shape then hot glued together and into place



    angle 2 from the front



    the dent and the top of the dome filled in and ready for sanding/primer



    a view of the inside



    another look inside with the dome attached



    hopefully this will help determine if the dome is too tall



    tape measure in front

    i neglected to take a shot of it from the sides with the tape measure. i'll get those taken tomorrow. after that, some final touches and then primer.

    I appreciate all the feedback I can get. This is the first time I've attempted anything like this so if i'm screwing something up let me know so I can fix it now. That's a big part of why i'm documenting it so much so I can get the feedback so things can be adjusted along the way.

    Thanks for looking and that's for the feedback. More to come pending hight correction if needed.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 11:36 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #21

    man that thing looks awesome. keep up the good work!!
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    Nov 11, 2006, 11:49 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #22

    unfortunately it looks like teamfett may be right



    i took one of my pictures with the tape measure, scaled one of batninja's photo's of his sgtfang mystery, made his transparent and put it over mine. I hand traced (badly) the edges of the cheeks, the corners of the visor, the arrows, the dent and the top of the dome green on mine and red on the mystery. The scale of the photos looks pretty close judging by the visor, the angles they were shot at may be a bit off, but my dome is definately about 15mm too tall.

    i was thinking it might have been, back in the back of my mind the whole time, thanks teamfett for pointing it out and making me think about it and analyze it this much. I'd rather catch it now than later.
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    Nov 12, 2006, 11:44 AM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #23

    ah i see now, but that extra 15mm could hold all sorts of fans and stuff. lol.
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    Nov 12, 2006, 11:55 AM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #24

    I have to say it again TALENT pure TALENT.
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    Nov 12, 2006, 1:10 PM - Re: My scratchbuilt progress: cardboard *PIC INTENSIVE* #25

    Wow! That's looking great so far!

    Does the mod podge make the helmet any stronger or harder?
    Last edited by Dustfinger; Nov 12, 2006 at 2:42 PM.

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