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Discussion on My Altmann\'s bucket... within the Boba Fett Helmet forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; Heres a couple of pics of my ALTMANN'S BOBA FETT.

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    My Altmann's bucket...

    Heres a couple of pics of my ALTMANN'S BOBA FETT.
    http://server2.uploadit.org/files/masonallerby-0f_1.jpg
    http://server3.uploadit.org/files/ma...rby-e0_1_b.jpg
    These are the ones it was advertised with...
    will be taking some extra nice pic's with my new camera...
    once ive sorted how to use it..LOL!

    heres a couple more pic's...
    http://server3.uploadit.org/files/ma...-bobafront.jpg
    http://server2.uploadit.org/files/ma...basideleft.jpg
    http://server3.uploadit.org/files/ma...asideright.jpg

    Mason.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    The green does not look very accurate on that bucket.

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    I agree on the green and the mandibles appear ... brown. Maybe it's just the picture, but that doesn't look like red paint...

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    I know mate..
    Its not the most accurate...
    but it is an official Lucasfilm endorsed one..
    and #302 of only 500 made...
    So I aint planning on changing it...
    I want it to hold some value...
    Plenty of other buckets out there to tamper with...

    Mason.

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    I think it looks terrific Mason and I'm sure you're just as proud of it as anybody else here is of their helmet, no matter what type it is.
    Hell, mine's probably not the exact shade of green either but I wouldn't have it any other way.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    cheers for the kind words darthbish...
    I've seen some very weird and wonderful versions in these forums myself...
    Not all are accurate remakes...
    many are variances of the owners own signature style...
    and who is to tell them they are wrong or right...
    Its thier's to enjoy!
    I never posted to say it the most accurate helmet available...
    just giving you all a chance to view it...

    Mason.
    Ps:...your right!...I do love just the way it is...LOL!

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    If I had 1 of only 500 helmets I wouldn't repaint it eather.

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    just remember mate........even if it's not 100% accurate, it IS 100% legal

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Ok, the Altmann's isn't that accurate in comparison to a MSH or a Marrow_Sun, but in any case a better helmet than a ugly DP 97 …

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Yeah, accurate or not, its still a really cool bucket...wish I had one

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Ya look awesome, only thing I do not like is it looks like the weathering on the red visored part went overboard, otherwise it looks good. the grrne could be bleached out from the flash.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    added a couple more pics to the top of the thread...

    Mason...

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    hope you don't mind me asking, but did you get it on Ebay or from a shop??

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    through e-bay, but the seller has a Sci-fi store in OZ...
    hence the shop background in the original pics...

    Mason.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    same place as you got the Vader???

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    nope...
    Vader was through a guy in Germany...

    Mason..

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...


    Master-Jedi-Allma wrote:

    through e-bay, but the seller has a Sci-fi store in OZ...
    Looks like you got it from the same guy I got my scout bust stand from:



    Cheers!
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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    It was mate!...LOL!...
    Nice bloke and great service from him...
    Ive seen a boba and vader stand like your scout stand mate..
    http://www.vegatransports.com.au/Aus...edisplays.html
    Those would be nice to get hold of!
    did you get the helmet off him too?...
    or just the base?...

    Mason.

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    Master-Jedi-Allma wrote:

    Ive seen a boba and vader stand like your scout stand mate..
    http://www.vegatransports.com.au/Aus...edisplays.html
    Those would be nice to get hold of!
    Mason.
    Er...I'm a little too anal for either.

    No, I got my scout off an RPF member ages ago.

    Cheers!
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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Why not re-paint the altmann's........lousiest paint job in history,and guys,believe me,these lids aren't going to go up in price anytime this century,as new companies no doubt,would take over the licence.
    Lemme say lads and lasses,if I sent my clients a lid that looked like the 'bloody ugly altmann's' paint job,I'd probably get beaten up.........
    I'd bloody well deserve it,too,if I sold a lid that looked like that!
    I own 2,one numbered #9 which is total ****,and a 'pre-licensed' boba,bought 10 yrs ago at Comics'r'us for AU$195,which is much more like the real thing.
    The rumor is,Steve got caught by LFL lawyers,and had to cough up the fees.......No idea if it's true,or not,but LFL has a looooooooong history of approving 'inaccurate' releases,so we can't blame Steve Altmann.........as usual,LFL can say 'mea culpa'........('i'm to blame',for those who didn't learn latin at school.....lolololol.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    funnily enough I got my pre-license Altman about then too. I always thought it was better than the licensed ones...It's certainly a bit bigger and more "flared".
    Having said that though, I still think that Mason has every right to be as "proud as punch" with the one that he's got.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    think I'd rather keep it original...
    than take your suggestions Ozfettmaker...

    I wasn't planning on making a fortune out of it...
    It's a keeper and a piece of lucasfilm licensed history.

    Like I said...there plenty of other buckets to tamper with...

    I have only ever seen 1 blurry small picture of this helmet on the "starwarshelmets" website and therefore posted it to show a better view of it...

    thank you for your opinion Ozfettmaker,...
    although, it has been totally disregarded...8)

    Mason.
    Ps: you own one?....if you dont like it...send it to me...then I would do a repaint job...on the spare one..LOL!



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    now is this an in your face post or what, is this the guy who pulled molds from the altmanns fett? then sold it on ebay? if you didnt like the fett helmet then why buy it???"steve" never got "caught" by LFL lawyers either, sounds like a personal beatup here.I know a local australian fan club did, trying to rip off "steves' helmets! as for the altmanns fett, I HAVE THE INSIDE EDGE HERE, altmanns sent a "fett" for approval,while they thought it was ok it wasnt close SO LFL said they would send over a "FETT" for altmanns to copy, the colors, the metal parts,the detailing, etc, once this was done the approval was done in two weeks, the total process was 9 months,from start to finish, so to those who attack the ones who do the hard work to bring something to the "public" .WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES AND NEVER..........NEVER... attack the opposition

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Hi,

    Pillbury, welcome to the board. I agree there is no reason to attack Steve personally. However, his helmet does come under harsh scrutiny because of the nature of the board: seeking accuracy in all things Boba Fett.

    While it is very clear that Don Post had access to real helmet while making the Deluxe Fett helmet, i.e. the dent is cast from an original, there are no parts on the Altmann's helmet that show that Steve had access to an original.

    Is there any proof that LFL sent Steve an original helmet? If Steve did receive a real helmet from LFL, I am almost certain he would have photographed it. Have you seen any pictures of they original helmet they sent him? I would love to see the pictures.

    I also would have expected the colors to be more accurate if Steve did have access to a real helmet. I've been around the Fett scene for awhile, and I've known about Steve's work for quite some time, but this is the first time I've heard that LFL sent him a real helmet. Without any proof, I'm skeptical of the claim.




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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    I like the helmet

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Also pillbury, an introduction would be nice. You show up like an authority figure, but nobody knows who you are. Welcome to TDH, let's hear a little about who you are.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    I thought the "rant" posted in response to my "look at my altmanns bucket" thread was at the time...
    completely un-called for...
    I have no problem hearing any thoughts on the subject by anyone...
    new or old member...
    Soooooooooooooooo.....
    If its ok for the goose (to attack with allegations)...
    then its ok for the gander (to defend allegations)
    isn't it?

    Hell it only supposed to be a thread to show people what the altmanns boba looks like...
    Nothing more than that...

    Not a...

    QUOTE" Lemme say lads and lasses,if I sent my clients a lid that looked like the 'bloody ugly altmann's' paint job,I'd probably get beaten up.........
    I'd bloody well deserve it,too,if I sold a lid that looked like that! " UN-QUOTE.

    in my eyes, this is not why people come here and completely against what I thought this forum/website was intented to be about.
    To be honest, his post offended me...

    Just my opinion on the post "I" started...

    Mason...

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    tylerdurden wrote:

    However, his helmet does come under harsh scrutiny because of the nature of the board: seeking accuracy in all things Boba Fett.
    Sorry TD but I have to take a degree of exception to this statement. I was not aware of this being the official or even unofficial nature of this board. After all, accuracy can be measured in terms of cost.

    Research time to achieve "accuracy" costs.
    Achieving the level of skill to create the MSH for example costs.
    Paying someone to make props for you costs.

    In the end, not everyone on this board has the currency required to achieve the ever elusive accuracy. We do our best with the resources we have - for some that means **** near screen accuracy but for others it simply means creating or collecting items which we love as they represent the things we love about Fett and the Mandalorians. IMHO, this board is about far more than accuracy. This board is a forum for Fett and Zam fans worldwide whether they have the time, skill, cash or even the inclination to achieve screen accuracy.

    I don't want to come accross as overly critical of your particular passion for accuracy but simply ask that you contemplate if that is the shared understanding of the nature of this board. If this "nature" is included in a statement by TDH hiomself or some other official statement then please accept my humble apology.

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    I'm gonna have side with TD on this one. Accuracy is the official purpose of this board. Accuracy is why we go to the ends of the earth to find that Borden device which was used as the "beauty mark" on the Fett helmet. Accuracy is why we have the threads broken down in different sections. It's also why we have the Boba reference CD. Whereas you are right when you say not everyone has the funds to create a "screen accurate" suit, in the end, the purpose of the board is showcase the Fett suit and exactly how it was made and what was used to make it. Everyone should be proud of the suits they have made, no question there. But here, accuracy *is* measured on the screen suit.
    Sorry to digress and get off track of this thread.

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    I agree this forum is about making fan made helmets/costumes as accurate as possible...
    sometimies expensively and sometimes in-expensively
    but...
    no amount of "screen accuracy striving"...
    should condone talk of violence ...
    (quote:should be beaten up :un-quote)
    for not meeting the standards of one member?...
    thats just not sane behaviour for such a subject I think...

    Am I wrong???

    Maybe it was just posted in the wrong manner and prevoked a response from someone taking it the wrong way...

    But does anyone else not think that the comment was a bit over the top?

    Mason...

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    MJA,

    Your quote is wrong. He said if he sold something with a ****** paint job, he'd probably get beaten up. He didn't say someone should be beaten up over it. It was a tounge-in-cheek comment. General consensus on the board is, the Altmann's Fett helmet is OK, but far from accurate. I don't think his comment was over the top.

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    Jango_Wes wrote:

    I'm gonna have side with TD on this one. Accuracy is the official purpose of this board.
    Wes
    Okay Wes, I appreciate your perspective but do not agree. Your reference to the "Borden Connector" is a great example - not everyone on this board gives a rip about whether thier helmets have authentic borden pcs in them. Just because those who seek accuracy above all else have done this quest does not show that the Board as a whole shares this passion.

    I just looked through the Code of Conduct and there is nothing about accuracy being the official purpose. Unless of course you are implying that the accuracy guru's comprise the "Board" and the rest of us are just guests? I know that's not your heart on this but it's starting to come across that way.

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    fair comment on it maybe being tounge-in-cheek Wes...
    just sounded a bit over-the-top and rude to me...
    enough said on the matter now i think...

    Mason.

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    Jodo_Kast wrote:

    I just looked through the Code of Conduct and there is nothing about accuracy being the official purpose.
    Jodo_Kast is correct. The purpose of this board is to provide ACCURATE information about the real costume and provide information regarding how to recreate the real costume as closely as possible. What each memeber decides to do with that information is up to him/her. As has been mentioned, in some aspects, accuracy can only be attained by copious amounts of time and/or money, things not everyone has. With that in mind, those who are striving for screen accuracy MUST be respectful of those who are more than happy with a relica that is not perfectly screen accurate. On the other hand, just because someone is willing to mortgage their home and children to attain the most screen accurate parts does not automatically make them "eltist"... crazy perhaps, but not elitist.


    This is not a competition and the choice of one is not better than the choice of another. As I mentioned in the Sarlacc Pit, respect of EVERY member is the key.

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    I think a number of comments by several of us, myself included, have been misconstrewn.

    In my earlier post about the "nature of the board," I meant that many TDH members seek a high-level of accuracy, hence the intense scrutiny of Fett item.

    I was not making any blanket statements regarding the official purpose or mission of the board, which is currently being discussed in the Sarlaac Pit.

    Everyone is free to persue their own level of accuracy, but we should be respectful regardless of which path each member takes.


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    That story about Altmann recieving a helmet from LFL goes completely against what he told me face to face a few years ago.
    He maintained that he had to do a prototype of each helmet he made, send it to LFL for feedback, and then make any adjustments they suggested.
    He then had to send the adjusted helmet to them etc, etc, etc until they were satisfied.

    Seems to me that the guy can't get his story straight.

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    darthbish, this what altmanns passed on to me , altmanns were sent helmets to take molds off, a fett was one, once altmanns had made a prototype from the molds TAKEN from the LFL helmet they then sent that one to LFL for aproval or modification,
    altmann were sent are fett, scout, red guard. all the others were altmanns own scuplts which I was told went back to 1983 when the first was done/developed,the only reference that altmann had back then was videos of the three films and any stills that were available,
    altmann also has the PANTONE colors for ALL the colors used on film productions, this included fett. altmanns get a book from LFL as part of the licence, this has all the PANTONE colors for each character, space ships,helmets, logos....blablabla.
    steve was interested in the LFL story about the lawyers and paying up "fees"? any more on that? and to sum up, darthbish hasnt got his story right as steve tells evryone about receiving helmets from LFL to take molds off which he is ALLOWED to do as part of the licence.
    If you know steve that well how come you dont know this to be true

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    if I can arrange to steve altmann on line here, anyone interested in a "meeting" ?, he is approachable.

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    pillbury wrote:

    altmann also has the PANTONE colors for ALL the colors used on film productions, this included fett.
    The Pantone Matching System is used in printing to keep spot colours consistent. How does that apply to Fett, or any other character, if you don't mind my asking?

    Cheers!
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    pillbury wrote:

    if I can arrange to steve altmann on line here, anyone interested in a "meeting" ?, he is approachable.
    I certainly would be interested! If he did get access to a real helmet and real colors, I'd be very interested in hearing what he has to say.

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    T.J. PANTONE is a complete color system and is used in lots of applications not just printing, LFL use it for their color reference in films. a film production has to have a color reference to color all sorts of things from helmets to buildings,vehicles, clothing,armour etc.
    Imagine your building a new house, you have to pick the colors for the inside .outside etc, you need a reference and pantone maybe one, its LFLs preference for colors, I saw the approval sheet for the altmanns red guard helmet and they were very specific about the pantone red!!!!!
    the book that altmann got has pantone numbers for everything
    if i can get him to come on line ,ask him

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    pillbury wrote:

    T.J. PANTONE is a complete color system and is used in lots of applications not just printing,
    I've never heard of it used in the film industry before. Interesting. So, then, what is Boba Fett's Pantone number?

    Cheers!
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    not sure about the pantone numbers, I will ask steve if he will devulge that and if he will come on the board,in a day or so?
    if he gives them to me sooner I'll post what he sends?

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    pillbury wrote:

    not sure about the pantone numbers, I will ask steve if he will devulge that and if he will come on the board,in a day or so?
    if he gives them to me sooner I'll post what he sends?
    Sounds good to me.

    Cheers!
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    here is what I got on pantones.
    helmet is 5487c, its a dirty sort of lightish green
    back of helmet and undercuts 330c, really dark green,almost black
    trim on helmet 491c,its a plum brown
    stripes are 142c its a orange yellow

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    I ain't saying a **** word.

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    whats does that mean Lee?...
    he's "bang on" or "well off" the mark?
    what is it?

    Pillbury,
    so someone like...
    http://www.colorite.co.uk/industries_aerosol.htm
    could match the colours up with just those codes then?

    Mason....

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    steve is on the way over, be herein about 20mins so ask him

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    wowzers...when was that posted pillbury?...
    is he available as i wanted to know about the boushh helmet and its non-production to?

    Mason...

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    It's nothing meant to be personal so I hope you don't take it that way I think you have posted a very interesting point. My response was sort of toungue in cheek based on the whole paint research thread.

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    I have read that thread of yours Lee...
    It is very in-depth and some awe-inspiring work you have put into the researching etc...
    I just wasn't sure which way you were leaning on the pantone codes...
    think i know now...LOL!

    Mason..

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    Re: My Altmann's bucket...

    Has it been 20 minutes yet?

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    more than 20 minutes an he is here now, birthday for his wife tonight got preference

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    well... "hello steve"...

    Mason.

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    Hi Mason, glad you like the BUCKET and thanks for staying on, I had a brief look at props replicar board I think it was, "pillbury" showed me some posts about the scout and the AA helmet,so I was little longer than I planned and I found an old friend that I owe much to......... for a minute I thought that the AA was Altmanns Armour.thats an interesting post about AA , I will watch with GREAT interest to see how that works out

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    is anyone there?

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    I am still here as well.
    i have a full apreciation of the time and work that goes into making and putting together a helmet like this.
    I would be interested to hear how you came into contact with LFL and obtained the licensing as well as a detail of your experience from start to finish.

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    yep im here now..
    Ive got a Boba and a Darth of the altmann range and are very happy with both...
    you probably already know about the comparisons of your helmets and the other helmets available elsewhere...
    would be interested in the infomationa asked above as well...

    Mason.

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    Hi,

    I guess a question about the color would be whether Lucas portrayed these colors as the screen used ones or the colors they would approve for use in the liscenced products. Looking at the film used ESB helmet that is on display, it is obvious that the color is not a plum brown but rather a rusty red. (referring to the trim areas of the helmet)

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    GEE< I think theres a "book" there somehow..........LFL.mmmm
    well "our "relationship started back 1983, I had made my first Vader costume, ended up doing appearances for the release of JEDI......made my first stormtrooper in 1986,met Dave Prowse with three stormtroopers I had made.great time!!
    Got into making the other armour, reference material was a joke, I was taking photos from a video to try and get it right.anything I could get my hands on, calenders are a great source!!. no LFL tours or Visual Dictionaries back then.
    I send this then type to you again

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    I too would like clarification that a REAL helmet was sent to Steve. I'd also love to know WHICH helmet was sent. Were any pics taken? I would think that surely if I had a real helmet in hand I would have snapped a few pics. Thanks in advance!

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    I think it goes without saying that Steve wont be able to clear up all questions and matters he's being asked here...
    I would take a very long time no doubt...

    so I just want to say...
    "any help/answers you can give is much apprieciated and thank you for your time and effort!".

    Mason...

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    will answer all questions but a little history first.
    1993or 94 I met Lucafilm Licencing at the agent office, from this I made star wars costumes for an asian tour , I applied for a licence ,the agent sent the wrong imformation so after about 2 years I rang LFL spoke to a lady in Licencing who said they had turned me down as they felt they had enough kiddy masks being made around the world.
    So I explained exactly what it was I wanted to make, she said the desicion makers would be back in a week and if I could get an item to her she would make sure this would be on the desk of that "descision maker" the following monday, I had about 9 days to get it there, that monday afternoon I had a call from the agent, "LFL said to sign you up!how did you do that?" the rest is history. I'll answer some questions now so give me abit of time to respond

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    I think Braks Buddys question was a valid one.
    Did LFL ever send you one of the origional screen used helmets from the films and if so, do you have any pictures of it? And which helmet was sent to you?

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    Thanks for that bit of history! That is VERY cool! Looking forward to hearing more from you!

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    I have to agree. These helmets are all such a complete mystery as to how they come about and every once in a while we have the honor of hearing their story.

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    as a licencee LFL send out a "source book" this has everything you need, pms or pantone colours, heights of characters, logos, even star patterns, if anyone has seen the carton that our helmet ship in the star pattern is specific, I had a choice of two,
    colours can change with lighting, in ESB Piet and Ozzle appear to wear grey uniforms but if you look carfully they are in field green or is it the light. I had disagreements for years about vaders mask being black and silver!!the patone references that pillbury sent,posted are correct according to the sourcebook and the helmet that was sent out. which was used to take molds for the helmet,metal "ears" and colour match, I was pulling my hair out with this one as LFL was taking far to long to send out this helmet............LOLOLOL..I rang the agent to get them to chase up the BOBA FETT helmet that LFL said they would send.
    the response was..........WHATS A BOBA FETT!!!!!
    From the time this helmet arrived to having it approved was two weeks, thats really going at it!!!the helmet was sent back for comparison and reference, you have to send all reference material with the item you want approved, thats how they do it and photos were the last thing on my mind, evryone new it was coming and the presure to get "out there" was just unreal.. all up... from the time I sent my first fett which was my own sculpt to the second casting from the LFL supplied helmet was 9months and it was great to get it over and done with.
    If I had any idea how armour would get so "huge" with the fans I would have done alot of things different but 8 years ago things were different,

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    Can you tell us anything at all about the construction of the real helmet?

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    Also, just to be clear, you did not actually cast the real helmet right? Just elements from it like the ears?

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    pillbury wrote:


    If I had any idea how armour would get so "huge" with the fans I would have done alot of things different but 8 years ago things were different,
    This may sound wierd but I'm kind of glad Fett is always a mystery. Did they use this or that to get it to look like this. Who knows!! Drives me crazy but I love it.

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    So this FETT bucket.... all I can say is, I vac formed over the helmet sent out so ours is a tad larger,the metal parts had silicone molds taken off them ,I then made resin castings with a resin that doesnt shrink, these were taken to a foundry were metal casting molds were taken, when the metal casting cools it shrinks so our metal parts are a tad smaller, maybe 1%, the helmet was pretty rough, looked to be fibreglass..........when I first saw it I thought YUK! NO WAY!, my colours were right I was THAT sure, this has to be wrong .......man it looked that bad!! an now I look back and think "how did you make that!" I made some helmets that I "see" some have aquired of the years, this shape and colour scheme is what I sent first .. if (I could I'd take a photo of the two together to show the difference

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    Wow, thats wild!
    Any photos would be immensly appreciated! I am sure all of us are on the edge of our seats wanting to see some of these pictures! That is awesome

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    Just clarifying.... You vacced over the real helmet to get your helmet replicas?

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    I pulled molds off all the parts including the helmet. I used to make my earlier version,non licenced withthree parts, the licenced version is vac formed in a single pull, the eye lense and "ears" are added, we cut out the pointers and insert a strip behind them whish is an orange and black.
    we used to use latex as a mask over the grey but found that dabbing the colour with a foam works well and is faster, we never intended the final item to be screen accurate but a fair representation of the character , as I said, 8 years ago attitudes were somewaht different
    I dont know if this was a screen used item,a stunt helmet or a spare, I do know that lots of helmets/costumes were made so if there was a breakage film could continue, if you look in star wars chronicles you will see I think ten sets of vader armour and parts on a table with a couple of guys haming it up

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    well as im sitting next to my Altmanns Boba helmet...
    and I have never thought the size and shape was a problem... it blows any donpost or rubies well out of the water...
    Really...
    the size and shape are great...although im no expert...

    I bought the helmet because...
    A: I liked it!
    B: It was sooooooooo much better than my Donpost Boba
    c: I had the Vader already...it makes a pair then...

    I think the main problem that has been discussed on this and any other forum was about the paint job...

    My thoughts were...
    If it takes as long as it takes most of these TDH members to make "one"...
    Then you will need to speed up the process to make 500 + helmets of several styles, Boba/Vader etc etc etc..
    Accuracy was always going to be a problem on high production volumes..

    Mason.

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    So.... do you still have the original mold you took from the helmet???

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    yes I vac formed over the helmet, packed the inside with clay, that was in a plastic bag so "mud" wasnt all over the place, Fett has enough to put up with,dont you think? had a "mask" that I use to protect the surface, getting the **** thing off the "mold" was a chore but figured it out so we could do a single pull to get the helmet, hardest pull we tackle is the royal guard, that a single pull,about 20 inchs or so, that also was pulled over a LFL hlemt but the worst was the scout, those helmet are made in six parts, the sides are glued together ,thats how the originals get that deepness in the side vents, the top/front plate which i call a "blinker cover" like you put on a horse, that two parts , that helmet was **** to get molds off and we met the LFL art approval guy here in OZ when he came out, Kumars Mogtardah, he actually apoligized for the helmet they had sent out for us to work with, it was that bad.......

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    I still have the original molds for fett

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    Someone Fed-Ex some fire extinguishers over to Braks' place. He's sure to have just spontaneously combusted!

    This is a great thread with some really interesting historical revalations. Thanks for taking the time to chat here, Steve.

    I'm sure there will be a lot of interest in your last post there! (understatement!)

    Si

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    pillbury wrote:

    I still have the original molds for fett


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    I can make a screen accurate helmet but whos got that kind of money. and which scene do you want done?I see people paying good money for a paint job itself.....&#36;150? is that about right? thats US&#36;&#36;? PLUS the helmet? our helmet cost &#36;400australian &#36;&#36;&#36; in the shops, thats about&#36;250-300US, depending on the exchange rate....
    we only did ten at a time, from start to finish,we have a "pattern" to follow and you will get variations no doubt about it but ........ if you think its a gun and it looks like a gun.ITS A GUN.. great thing about Fett, get dressed up, go out..... .anywhere..... and people KNOW who you are
    anything else I havent cleared up?

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    I think there would be a CONSIDERABLE market for a helmet made from unaltered original molds!

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    what happened to the boussh helmet?
    and whats instore for the future steve?
    thanks,

    Mason..

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    This is absolutely awesome!


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    YOUR WELCOME......... pillbury has told me about ozfettmaker?
    whats the thing there? envey? I started out like you guys BUT Ive been doing it since 1983.
    I remember walking out after the movie STAR WARS,went to see the 1 am show........ walking accross the main street in sydney, george st, I could NOT get VADER out of my mind, there was a group of us... I turned to a mate, I ended up being his best man years later.... I said I got to make a VADER!!! he was the only one who didnt laugh......... when Fett came along in ESB the character had a simlar effect, Jeremy said when he first put the outfit on and walked out on set everyone stopped and looked ,he new then the impact that the character would have .anyone met Jeremy, hes a great guy

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    I've never had the luck of meeting him...YET!
    I would love to get his autograph on my Altmann's Boba...
    How long's your arm Steve and I'll have yours inside there to...LOL!
    But I have been to that same theatre...
    I'm a kiwi but lived in sydney for a couple of years before moving over here in the UK.

    Thanks for all your info and whats in store for the future?

    Mason..
    (so glad i started this thread now!)

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    unaltered original molds...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. My rangefinder is up! very interesting information.

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    Boushh wont be licenced by us, its a great helmet but it would be to exspensive as its covered with leather over the snout, takes to much time to apply ,its just as detailed as fett,lots of scratchs,damage,resin pieces, multi cloured, has three main helmet parts that are glued together, I really enjoyed developing this .and for those who think they cant do anything, I do all the sclupting for the molds,work out how to fit things together, built my own vac former and I am not trained to do any of this,I just had a need strong enough that I found a way to do it, Ive read alot about the efforts that guys like you put in to your "hobby" and theres alot of talent out there, some advise that I use for myself, dont try to make everything you do/make a master piece, be happy with what you have done and leave it to be what it is, if you have to do "it" again dont rehash what you have already achieved, you will only repeat what you have done, if you start a new "it" and have the last "it" untouched sitting there to compare to ...you can only improve on it but if you go over it and wipe it away ..its gone for good
    when we started doing the fetts I practiced doing the "patch work" on a piece of flat plastic till i got it right but I kept the first trials to see how I got better or if I was getting better

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    The future,have considered selling the costume armour side of the company. have an itch to get back into auto work, flared guards, air dams or spoilers, car interiors,that sort of thing, I used to customize cars back in my younger days, airbrushed for ........jjeeezzzz that long, started that in 1972 doing motorbike gear, tanks etc, did artwork on vehicles, moldings......did a bit of car racing. any DATSUN 240Z FANS THERE!!!!! . worked in films and TV AND stage but star wars was where I was always headed. seemd like Ive been doing it forever..........

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    Do you still hold the license for the Fett helmet? If so, how does that work with Rubies?

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    Well good luck with that and thanks for coming on to answer the questions which have been raised since the thread started.
    You should become a TDH member yourself and help keep us like-minded people in the loop with thoughts and information from time to time...
    (as well as recieve copious amounts of offers on a recast from your fett mould ...LOL!)

    Once again thank-you,
    I personally love my Altmann's Boba and are happy to have been part of this online conversation about the piece.

    Mason.

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    Licenceing doesnt work the way most think it does, if a company wanted to import our helmets into say europe then they would get a licence to do that then we supply them. licence can also cover the type of shops you can sell in, different for a collector shop to say a large chain store like K-Mart, licence also covers a price range, low . middle and high end of the market. so we cover a middle range that wont impact on the low or high end of the market but one cant control what a outlet might put on an item, when our vader and stormtooper helmets hit the market in some outlets &#36;600-800 was the going price, the recommended retail was &#36;295 I think
    pillbury will keep me up to speed, we are "good mates" as we say in OZ, I have enjoyed the "evening" and did the fire extinguisher get to that guy ok?

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    After-thoughts anyone?
    I imagine you all must have an opinion about todays event and im surprised I have'nt heard the...
    "How do we know that was Steve?" arguement start... LOL!
    I found it very interesting and hell, I didn't even look at the helmet pointers that closely to realise it was cut out and a coloured slide is stuck behind the holes for the painted illusion...
    Which is true...as I looked at it closer and can see it now!

    Mason...

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    Thanks again for your time Steve!

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    If he had an original mold then why waist the time of vacing the outside like he said he did? and if it's casting of an original why was that never used? but instead he uses a cruddy casting of helmet with an unknown background that was even the wrong color. Heck if it was me I would be pulling some original castings and not fooling with vacing.

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    Perhaps the "original" helmet LFL sent him was a prototype of some kind. Perhaps it was actually a heavily modified helmet that could be liscenced as is. The fact is, although I kind of like the Altmann's helmet, if it is an authentic reproduction of the helmet LFL sent him, then that original helmet could not have been a screen used bucket. I like the helmet but a blind man could see that it doesn't match the real deal in size or detail.


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    What, what, what?

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    any news?

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    Quote:darthbish hasnt got his story right as steve tells evryone about receiving helmets from LFL to take molds off which he is ALLOWED to do as part of the licence.
    If you know steve that well how come you dont know this to be true
    Well Pillbury, has it ever occured to you that the reason my story differs from yours is because HE DIDN'T SAY THAT TO ME!!!
    If you wanna call me a liar, go right ahead...I've been called worse, and at the end of the day I'll STILL know that that's what he said to me.

    and I never professed to "know Steve that well", merely that I had spoken to him on a few occasions and that THAT was what he'd told me.

    Geez man, don't take it so freakin' personally



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    Oh, and he might like to update his website. It still says..

    Quote:with many more being developed, including: Bounty Hunter Boushh™

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