Marrow Sun Painted Helmet !!!!!!

**DarthMiller** · 08-31-2005, 08:26 PM

As many of you know I was the lucky winner of the MARROW SUN painted helmet on EBAY last week. YES I know some of you think I am crazy to pay $1300 for a helmet. Let me first say that I truly admire MARROW SUN and his artistic ability. I also know he is a well respected member of the TDH.

now...the helmet...WOW....MARROW SUN is the freakin MAN!!!! I can not even begin to describe how incredible this helmet is. I personally feel like this helmet is worth $2000. This type of paint job takes not only incredible skill but it also takes TIME!! I can't even imagine how many hours went into this helmet. I think MS said if you take the price I paid and divide it by the hours he put in on this project it comes out to about $9.00 an hour. In my opinion I am the one who got a great deal.

I just wanted to thank MS for this piece of ART. He did a INCREDIBLE job and I feel truly lucky to have this helmet!!

OK...here are some additional pics of this MASTERPIECE!!!

oh and by the way in about two weeks the rest of my costume comes in from MAN of WAR including his ROTJ jet pack!!!!

**Nekhar** · 08-31-2005, 08:43 PM

Just........wow. Worth every penny, and many more!

If indeed you were crazy to pay that much, it's only because you received a crazy awesome helmet.

**stormtrooperguy** · 08-31-2005, 10:33 PM

wow...

so, will you be wearing this, or making a display?

i can't imagine risking someone whacking me in the head with that thing on!

**shortimer52** · 08-31-2005, 10:46 PM

Shoot!!!

Every time I see that thing I have to change my paints. Just saw it on the SG boards, now here. Running out of paints.

**Master-Jedi-Allma** · 09-01-2005, 01:17 AM

Its a great bucket!

Why the ROTJ jet pack when its an ESB bucket?
Or is there no difference between jet packs?....

Mason.

**RBF** · 09-01-2005, 04:09 AM

AoSW style (ROTJ SE)...

ESB is all green... almost all green...

**Christo Fett** · 09-01-2005, 06:11 AM

Helmet is obviously incredible. I can imagine how happy you must be to own this piece of art. And art is what it is. Like all art, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Let's not forget that this was an auction which means that someone else, who didn't win the auction, was willing to pay just under $1300. Congrats to both you and MS, who is the happier party?

**DarthMiller** · 09-01-2005, 06:12 AM

you have to see it in person..the pics do not even come close to the real colors. something about the camera and lights really makes the colors look different!

Originally Posted by shortimer52

Shoot!!!

Every time I see that thing I have to change my paints. Just saw it on the SG boards, now here. Running out of paints.

**DarthMiller** · 09-01-2005, 06:14 AM

it will be for a display...but I might wear it on a special occasion!!

Originally Posted by tk7602

wow...

so, will you be wearing this, or making a display?

i can't imagine risking someone whacking me in the head with that thing on!

**DarthMiller** · 09-01-2005, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Master-Jedi-Allma

Its a great bucket!

Why the ROTJ jet pack when its an ESB bucket?
Or is there no difference between jet packs?....

Mason.

In the STAR WARS visual dictionary they have pics of a FETT with the ESB helmet and ROTJ jet pack. Looks really cool so I decided to do that version

**superjedi** · 09-01-2005, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by shortimer52

Shoot!!!

Every time I see that thing I have to change my paints. Just saw it on the SG boards, now here. Running out of paints.

LOL, the first time I read thru this I thought it said "change my pants"

But I could see that, too.
Eric

**Dentedarmor** · 09-01-2005, 02:19 PM

That, is most...incredible! Now thats something to show the grandkids!

**DarthMiller** · 09-19-2005, 12:28 PM

I am really excited that my helmet is now featured on STAR WARS helmets!!

check it out!!

http://www.starwarshelmets.com/

**Darth-Malevelus** · 03-22-2007, 11:47 PM

I just nabbed a marrow sun helmet, in raw unpainted condition. Lets just say I knew what I was getting, and Although Im glad to have a helmet I can start on, the craftmanship, was far lower than I expected.

I have alot of work to do!

**pennywise** · 03-23-2007, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Darth-Malevelus

I just nabbed a marrow sun helmet, in raw unpainted condition. Lets just say I knew what I was getting, and Although Im glad to have a helmet I can start on, the craftmanship, was far lower than I expected.

I have alot of work to do!

How do you know it's a MS did you get it from him, his buckets have always come VERY clean with minimal clean up and practically ready to paint with the exception of cutting out the T-visor area. IMO his are the best available and that includes BM AND SGTF! I really have to question the source of your information because I have a MS and it is a true work of art. Would you care to post some photos including the inside, I can tell you if it is a MS or not.

**NikNak_aka** · 03-23-2007, 08:47 AM

Also, really unnecessary to resurrect a 2 year old thread for that comment...

**Prymer13** · 03-23-2007, 10:07 AM

...unreal...and uncool...

I own a MS_1, and an MS_3 and I couldn't be more impressed with the quality and craftsmanship.

**MandalorFett** · 03-23-2007, 10:30 AM

I've got an MS3 and it was ready to paint (after removing t-visor area). Totally clean. I think you've got something other than an MS original. MS signs the inside and numbers it, so if that's not there, it'd be suspect.

**mrgr8ness** · 03-23-2007, 10:46 AM

MS does not = Mystery helmet recast on ebay

**pennywise** · 03-25-2007, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Darth-Malevelus

I just nabbed a marrow sun helmet, in raw unpainted condition. Lets just say I knew what I was getting, and Although Im glad to have a helmet I can start on, the craftmanship, was far lower than I expected.

I have alot of work to do!

No pictures hunh? Do you even know what your really talking about?

**slave1pilot** · 03-25-2007, 07:10 AM

Got 2 MS2's myself.
Top quality & far better than anything else I've gotten a hold of

**Darth-Malevelus** · 03-25-2007, 09:18 AM

Jeeze ppl, I wasnt looking for a verbal scolding here, I am, like all new members starting a new costume, going on what I was told/read/or saw first hand. Im sure Im not the only one in the forum whom has received something not quite what you expected, especially online. Still either way, its what I have, my only concern now is wether I can get into a decent trooping helmet. So sorry for being naive on this, but with all of your guidance, I can get better.

Well, here are the pics I was talking about

Here it lays next to a 3.5 inch floppy in all its tilted glory

Lots of notes and scribbles all over it. saying add here, flatten there, remove curve ect.

The diamonds on the brow are uneven and you can see the huge void in the visor opening to the right of the pic (possibly a recast of of a MSH?)

No serial anywhere inside, lots of clean up needed in here.

Me wearing it dont laugh

Even with my small button nose, Im nearly touching the front of the mandibles.

There are notes all over the mask, saying add 1/8 inch here, or add 1/4 there. So its obvoiusly needing to be lengthened.

Ok, now that you see my 30 dollar helmet, what do you think? I know it needs alot of work, but is it right, for the size? I see lots of helmets that the faces are small inside, like the paris expo. ECT, where Im basically filing mine up.

I was told by the person I bought it from that it was the "original mystery helmet" And that it was a marrow sun helmet. On a positive note, I dropped it while I was working on it, and not even so much a scratch resulted. Ill give it one thing, its darn near bullet proof, I think the glass is somewhere between 1/4 to 1/2 thick in most areas.

If this in fact some sort of recast, off of a marrow sun, I apologize for saying bad things about them, as I said I was going off of what I was told, so I was only going off of it. Again, my first fett, so Im trying to figure out what to do now! Given my extremely limited budget, its what I have to work with, So I may use WOF's templates and mock up helmet to see what the size/dimension differences are, and make them correct (if possible)

**batninja** · 03-25-2007, 11:07 AM

Well, that is definitely NOT a Marrow_Sun helmet, so you were given false information. As I recall, MS numbers and initials all his production helmets, so unless yours is marked as such, you don't own one.

I think the guys were a little harsh because a) you opened a 'dead thread' to b) bash a highly respected member's work. It happens, so don't take it personally. Just remember to check the post date before you resurrect old threads.

To me, the helmet you have appears to be a casting of a Don Post '95, which is ALOT smaller than the Mystery Helmet.

If you want to upgrade to an actual Mystery Helmet, contact MS or SgtFang directly, so that you know what you're getting.

As for the helmet you have, yes, there will be quite a bit of work involved, but it can be made into a nice display piece with some patience and hard work. Good luck!

**superjedi** · 03-25-2007, 02:59 PM

Agree with Batninja. That is not an original Marrow Sun. But for $30, it's a lot better than some of the "ebay mystery" helmets I've seen.

**SingleSeat** · 03-25-2007, 06:10 PM

Let me weigh in guys. Yea, I guess you got dog-piled here so probably best to start your own thread next time. I'll bet my bucket that this cast or recast is every bit of MarrowSun/Sgt Fang/Lava origin.

The mis-matched triangles are a "mystery" signature. Their shape is good, but they are mal-alligned indicating a cast that was halfed together vice ear-to-ear seam lines like MS and SF make.

Then there is the bottoms of the ear moldings. The upward cant of the corners are also unique to this cast.

Then you have the the dent in the right mandible at the level of the cheek mole (borden connector) -- also unique to the mystery line.

The cheek corners are round, common to all 1st-gen mystery models.

The bottom of the left cheek (the bottom edge) is bowed out just a tad instead of straight...just like the MS and SF.

The underside view shows a little bit of the asymetry around the back sides common to mystery helmets as well.

The last arguement I have for the MS1/SgtFang is the dome shape that is gives a taller appearance since it squares off above the left ear and doesn't pull away from the right ear cap enough. The side view is spot-on, but the frontal view of mystery helmets always have this dome irregularity (best seen in the last picture looking face-on).

While MS might have numbered all of his MS2s and MS3s, I can say for certainty that my MS1 (circa 2005) is not numbered at all (sorry batninja) and if this helmet came from MS, it is already certain to be an MS1 based on the ears and dome alone.

However, the dent does look a little weak, even for an MS or SF, so maybe it is a recast. Or someone piled on a lot of paint and primer (chrome layers can build up fast and distort fine details). Also, the left ear looks like something bad happened to it, so that'll take some work to fix that melty concavity.

In any case, I think that helmet is perfectly ok and, much like batninja said, any mystery helmet in the right hands can come out great!

**DarthMiller** · 03-25-2007, 07:09 PM

NO KIDDING....thanks for reminding me how much this bucket cost me

I do however wish you the best on your new helmet!!!

Originally Posted by NikNak_aka

Also, really unnecessary to resurrect a 2 year old thread for that comment...

**Darth-Malevelus** · 03-25-2007, 08:39 PM

Thank you ss,

Youve explained alot, I didnt mean to high jack an old thread, I looked for something wih the same topic to reply to.

I am a composite technition for the US Navy, and this is more time than effort for me, So I figure while Im roaming the seas, Ill work on this and possibly make a WOF designs one as well.

I am concerned on wether this size wise will ever make a decent jango helmet though. It may be a movie trick, but the jango seems alot larger to me. Then again I am 6'2" tall at 200 lbs. Maybe Im just too big for IT :-)

Oh the dent is weak because Ive been working on it, and sanded it down some.

**pennywise** · 03-25-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by batninja

Well, that is definitely NOT a Marrow_Sun helmet, so you were given false information. As I recall, MS numbers and initials all his production helmets, so unless yours is marked as such, you don't own one.

I think the guys were a little harsh because a) you opened a 'dead thread' to b) bash a highly respected member's work. It happens, so don't take it personally. Just remember to check the post date before you resurrect old threads.

To me, the helmet you have appears to be a casting of a Don Post '95, which is ALOT smaller than the Mystery Helmet.

If you want to upgrade to an actual Mystery Helmet, contact MS or SgtFang directly, so that you know what you're getting.

As for the helmet you have, yes, there will be quite a bit of work involved, but it can be made into a nice display piece with some patience and hard work. Good luck!

What Batninja said.

And I apologize for being harsh.

**Darth-Malevelus** · 03-26-2007, 12:57 PM

No problem,

I could use any link or resources you guys are willing to share on measurements to get this lil buger correct. I am at least going to try and make this a jango. But if its just not feasible, It wil turn into a long boba project. When it comes to accuracy, I can get pretty rediculous. And that paint job wil probably take me a year or more with my schedule.

BTW, would a rubies Jango be a decent gauge to use, to get all the ridges, and overall size correct? Like say if I nabbed a cheap rubies off of ebay?

**pennywise** · 03-26-2007, 03:13 PM

Have you considered keeping your mystery helmet for a future Boba project you could display and buying a BKBT bucket for your Jango? PM me if you don't know who BKBT is and I'll let you know(he's supposed to make a very nice Jango).

**shortimer52** · 03-26-2007, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

NO KIDDING....thanks for reminding me how much this bucket cost me

I remember when you won that bad boy. But it still was worth the money.

**MARROW SUN** · 03-26-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Darth-Malevelus

I just nabbed a marrow sun helmet, in raw unpainted condition. Lets just say I knew what I was getting, and Although Im glad to have a helmet I can start on, the craftmanship, was far lower than I expected.

I have alot of work to do!

Hey Darth Malevelus, if you just nabbed this helmet I highly doubt its one of mine since I havn't produced that style of helmet in years nor have I sold anything in months. Also I wouldn't let anything that POOR quality out unless a buyer was looking for a deal on a "Seconds" casting. You can feel free to PM me on who supplied you with this helmet. Perhaps it came from my "Graveyard" years ago. Otherwise I think you've been decieved into buying a recast of a MS helmet.

AND THIRD and MOST IMPORTANT! DARTH MILLER! Give Me BACK MY HELMET......I Miss Her

Ahh... my first post in months.... feels good

**superjedi** · 03-26-2007, 07:55 PM

It's MS!

Yay!

**evan4218** · 03-26-2007, 07:57 PM

Good to see you posting agin brotha.

**Mr Fett** · 03-26-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Darth-Malevelus

I am concerned on wether this size wise will ever make a decent jango helmet though. It may be a movie trick, but the jango seems alot larger to me.

I've seen SEEKER's Jango helmet (which is from the casting of the movie Jango mold that FP has) right next to his Boba helmet and the Jango helmet IS smaller in size than the "movie sized" Boba helmets are.

Welcome back Marrow Sun!!! "code name Jordy"......

Good to see you around again.

**Spideyfett** · 03-27-2007, 08:01 AM

Well I've seen a ton of MS1 from Marrow Sun in my day....
And I could tell as soon as you posted this that this was a RECAST of an MS1....but as others have said, with love and allot of prep you can get a good finished product....good luck.

And it's GOOD to see you post again Jordy!!....I miss your "fiberglass" MS1 helmets...

. I still want one....

**Ripcode** · 03-27-2007, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

And it's GOOD to see you post again Jordy!!....I miss your "fiberglass" MS1 helmets...

. I still want one....

Yes, it is nice to see MS posting again!

Alex, I have an MS1!

Love it!

**pennywise** · 03-27-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by MARROW SUN

Hey Darth Malevelus, if you just nabbed this helmet I highly doubt its one of mine since I havn't produced that style of helmet in years nor have I sold anything in months. Also I wouldn't let anything that POOR quality out unless a buyer was looking for a deal on a "Seconds" casting. You can feel free to PM me on who supplied you with this helmet. Perhaps it came from my "Graveyard" years ago. Otherwise I think you've been decieved into buying a recast of a MS helmet.

AND THIRD and MOST IMPORTANT! DARTH MILLER! Give Me BACK MY HELMET......I Miss Her

Ahh... my first post in months.... feels good

Speak of the Devil

Welcome back

**FettOfficer** · 03-27-2007, 06:01 PM

Who's MS?.....Just Kidding bro!8) Nice to
hear and jump on the threads again.

**DarthMiller** · 03-27-2007, 08:02 PM

MS...for a SMALL FEE you can have your helmet back

Originally Posted by MARROW SUN

Hey Darth Malevelus, if you just nabbed this helmet I highly doubt its one of mine since I havn't produced that style of helmet in years nor have I sold anything in months. Also I wouldn't let anything that POOR quality out unless a buyer was looking for a deal on a "Seconds" casting. You can feel free to PM me on who supplied you with this helmet. Perhaps it came from my "Graveyard" years ago. Otherwise I think you've been decieved into buying a recast of a MS helmet.

AND THIRD and MOST IMPORTANT! DARTH MILLER! Give Me BACK MY HELMET......I Miss Her

Ahh... my first post in months.... feels good

**Darth-Malevelus** · 03-29-2007, 11:07 PM

Its amazing what alittle paint will do.

This is the same helmet!!!

Not bad looking despite the bad paint job! Yeah it was a batch job involving no sanding, just quick masking, and spraying with the paints I had on hand. The green is krylon fusion, thats about 4 years old lol. The paint took about 3 hours to complete, 90% of it was waiting for thepaint to cure while i was prepping my vader for the ECCC event on this Saturday. Dont frett, I know the ears are the wrong color, I just wanted to see what it would look like with some paint on it. LOL

**Wes** · 03-30-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Darth-Malevelus

I just wanted to see what it would look like with some paint on it. LOL

Now you just created a huge headache for yourself. Good Luck

**pennywise** · 03-31-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Delta75

Now you just created a huge headache for yourself. Good Luck

...

**Darth-Malevelus** · 04-02-2007, 10:30 AM

Actually I traded the painted helmket at the Con for a 300 dollar cooling vest with 4 cooling vest sticks for it.

I left it on the table at the convention, I guess the paint worked.

**iruss71** · 11-08-2009, 04:46 PM

Wow! Nice paint job, and no... you're not crazy!
Now you have a collectors item...

**saint_nasty** · 11-09-2009, 08:30 PM

psst... four year old thread, new guy. i think DM paints helmets at that skill level now.

**GoneRebel** · 12-07-2009, 12:20 AM

Phenomenal job on that one! always nice to see a unique but still movie-esque manner!

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