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    Apr 13, 2008, 1:30 PM - Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #1

    Well I've finally gotten around to making some progress on my Sgt Fang helmet. It's been lying around for so long just waiting to be worked on I thought it was about time I pulled my finger out!

    After all the basic prep work I gave it a good coat of silver. I've always preferred the layered effect when it comes to painting, even though it does take a lot more time and effort.

    After the base coat of silver had dried properly after a day or two I got out the old liquid mask. Using a wealth of reference material and the templates created by Count Dookie I started to mask off the silver areas. I found the templates really useful but couldn't get them to print out to the right size so just decided to use them as an additional point of reference.

    After the mask had cured - and with a nice new airbrush in tow! - I sprayed on a couple of coats of humbrol 79 lightened with 64 enamels. I sprayed it all over the dome and cheeks and allowed to dry for a day or two.


    Next step was to remove the mask and then reapply the next layer. After this I started applying the main green colour. (Humbrol 73) Again I left it to dry for a couple of days before coming back to remove the mask.



    Disaster struck! As I picked up the helmet the texture of the paint didn't feel right and as I started to remove the mask my fears were confirmed. The green had gone on too thick and was lifting the grey as the mask was removed. I also realised that I had used a base coat of ACRYLIC silver and then had put enamel on top.


    So I sanded down the dome and cheeks. Most of the green had come off and brought the grey with it already but I gave it a sand to remove any excess and went back down to the primer. I then re-primered the helmet and have now ordered some ENAMEL silver for the base instead. I've also re-ordered the grey and green but this time in acrylic to see if acrylic over enamel will work better than the other way round.

    Fortunately I had already painted the rear of the helmet and that had come out fine so no need to go back to that, as it had already taken me ages! I'd also already got the ears pretty much done and dusted so only a bit of weathering required on those now.


    So right now I'm waiting for the new paints to arrive before I can get back on track. Please post your comments and I'll keep you guys updated. I should hopefully have some more updates next weekend.
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    Apr 13, 2008, 1:40 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #2

    'em ears are lookin' real tight there, good job!

    cant wait to see more progress
  3. Apr 13, 2008, 2:27 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #3

    What Humbrol silver are you going to use for the base coat? I've found no. 11 works better as opposed to the metal cote alternatives which can leave a powdery finish and subsequent layers can lift...
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    Apr 13, 2008, 2:51 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #4

    I used no 11 too. But i used the acrylic and an going to try the enamel this time round!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 2:52 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #5

    Wow!
    Are you layering this whole thing?
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    Apr 13, 2008, 3:14 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #6

    Quote suspect86 said: View Post
    Wow!
    Are you layering this whole thing?
    Yep. Start off with the silver and build up on top of that
  7. Apr 13, 2008, 3:34 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #7

    Its interesting to see how your helmet's progressing as i'm doing exactly the same thing as well! I've started with the light "flint" grey as the base colour then the silver then dark grey(no.79) etc...Its proving to be a nightmare as each layer dictates the next and there's little room for error...
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    Apr 13, 2008, 3:35 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #8

    layered painting is the only way to be. cuz it rocks.
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    Apr 13, 2008, 3:49 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #9

    Quote terminal fettler said: View Post
    Its interesting to see how your helmet's progressing as i'm doing exactly the same thing as well! I've started with the light "flint" grey as the base colour then the silver then dark grey(no.79) etc...Its proving to be a nightmare as each layer dictates the next and there's little room for error...
    It is a nightmare I agree! But I'm hoping it will be well worth it eventually!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 3:49 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #10

    Quote saint_nasty said: View Post
    layered painting is the only way to be. cuz it rocks.
    Gotta agree with you mate!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 3:54 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #11

    Quote saint_nasty said: View Post
    layered painting is the only way to be. cuz it rocks.
    Layering is OK. . . for a cake.
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:03 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #12

    Quote superjedi said: View Post
    Layering is OK. . . for a cake.
    Now now ladies... paint fairly?!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:14 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #13

    Spring must be in the air Dan. I have literally just started painting my TF

    Yours looks great and i admire you for going totally layered. I bottled this time and am ging 50/50 layered and topical.

    Keep us updated mate
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:16 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #14

    Which is better Layered or Topical, theres only one way to decide!!

    FIGHT!!!!!!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:18 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #15

    layered paint can have a strong influence on the weak minded
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:20 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #16

    Quote HeadlessHunter said: View Post
    Which is better Layered or Topical, theres only one way to decide!!

    FIGHT!!!!!!

    Trust you Joe...

    Any news on ears?
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:53 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #17

    Quote HeadlessHunter said: View Post
    Which is better Layered or Topical, theres only one way to decide!!

    FIGHT!!!!!!

    Love it!
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    Apr 13, 2008, 4:53 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #18

    Hi.
    Do you guys have a complete list for the Humbrol enamels that you use on the helmet? I have a difficult time getting a hold on testors model masters for my helmet.
    -Morten-
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    Apr 13, 2008, 5:28 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #19

    Quote KoRn3000 said: View Post
    Hi.
    Do you guys have a complete list for the Humbrol enamels that you use on the helmet? I have a difficult time getting a hold on testors model masters for my helmet.
    -Morten-
    here you go (Terminal Fettler list )

    ESB HUMBROL COLOUR LIST

    -Base grey all over helmet: 79
    -Upper cheeks: Black 33
    -Dome and cheeks: Green 78
    -Red on mandibles and trim: 73
    -Purple on mand. and trim: 73+104
    -Back of helmet: Cream/Green: 28+103 / 76+96
    -L/H ear: Red/ Grey/ Green: 60/ 28/ 78+159
    -Kill stripes: Yellow 154, fade to Orange 82 on
    back.(very slight fade)
    -Black marks by kill stripes:62+33 mixed whilst
    painting on with 00 brush.
    -R/H ear: Sand 94
    -Light blue/Grey all over helmet: 23
    -Weathering: Splatters/misting, very thin mix applied
    with airbrush with low pressure and flicked from
    cotton bud: Black 33/Grey 79/Beige 103/ Brown 72.
    -Glue blobs(applied in layers) and general
    discolouration all over helmet using brush and cotton
    bud depending on required effect: Windsor and Newton
    ink: Sunshine Yellow.
    -Scuffs: Black 33/ white 34: use 00 dry brush on.
    -Putty crack repair: 28 + 94 mixed while painting on
    -L/H cheek grey area near L/H ear slightly green:
    79+(76+96: back of helmet colour)
    -sand coloured grime on top of brow and in arrows:
    94 thinned with spirit applied with small crappy
    brush, dabbed with rag
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    Apr 13, 2008, 8:34 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #20

    that's looking great. i personally really prefer layered, so i'm glad to see you went that route!
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    Apr 14, 2008, 2:08 AM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #21

    Thanks Ronin677.
    -Morten-

    here you go (Terminal Fettler list )
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    Apr 14, 2008, 2:47 AM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #22

    Cool!! I've never seen anyone paint the grey on as an undercoat, for me, that's always been the top coat over the green! I agree that layered is better.
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    Apr 14, 2008, 9:21 AM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #23

    Quote GCNgamer128 said: View Post
    Cool!! I've never seen anyone paint the grey on as an undercoat, for me, that's always been the top coat over the green! I agree that layered is better.
    i do it this style on my rotjs... i figure the grey is meant to be primer, so it would make sense for it to be underneath.
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    Apr 14, 2008, 10:22 AM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #24

    WOW man nice layered job so far you are a very brave man!

    I must say I have always been a layered man myself but after seeing superjedi's topical and the Jeremy Bulloch's topical done by spideyfett I now know that a good topical will make you forget that it is just that, topical!
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    Apr 14, 2008, 12:58 PM - Re: Mandalore697's Mystery Helmet Progress #25

    I just don't think I have the skills to do a decent enough job on a topical job!

    Maybe I will have to try it out after finishing this one! If I can stomach it! This is my fourth Fett bucket now

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