Hey Alex, did you use Caboose on the mandibles? Looks a bit brighter is why I ask
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Hey Alex, did you use Caboose on the mandibles? Looks a bit brighter is why I ask
and Yes and no...if that makes sense??
I used Caboose mixed with Rock Island Maroon...recommended to me by Steve the Swede.......I felt a little more saturation was needed.
remember I still have to weather and mist on top of that, which will start to darken the red. For that i will use straight Cabosse and Box car red.......some may not agree with that method or mixing of colors, I say stick to the ref photos, they tell you all you need to know.
Hope that helps Joe.
Yeah I'm a great believer in paint what you see, just curious as like I said it varied from the results I've got with the Caboose alone, thanks buddy
Its not about mixing colors, but the order and method of how they are applied.
I just wanted to put a note in hear about Rustoleum spray paints. They have a new Red colour in their line called Paprika and (as far as my eyes tell me) it looks almost EXACTLY the right colour for ESB Mandibles! It doesn't look like it from their website sample, but I did a test spray on piece of resin and compared it to pictures of the MR helmet and they match almost perfectly! (Deep Red with a hint of orange)
I will say however that the recommended colors are a good starting point, and it's up to the painter to remember that Ref material of the real fett should always be the standard...... besides, he asked me what I did.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 17, 2008 at 12:14 AM.
People need to remember that RS didn't pull these out of a hat, almost all of them came from Joe and Sandy, and that list is telling you what they did.
True, I was curious if you had used the Caboose as I noticed a difference between my results and yours, I'm not sure we'll ever get it dead on as the helmet colours may have faded somewhat over the years of handling etc, original photos, if any, are a good reference but it always comes down to the persons eye and whatever knowledge is passed on from the originals. I think we are all very lucky to have the insight offered by Lee and I for one intend on using all the base colours recommended, if at any stage during the weathering stage I decide something needs to be lighter/ darker then so be it, its all good
Sorry... I never got around to uploading these last week..
Last edited by Spideyfett; Oct 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM.
freakin stellar sir. i LOVE it. JB is gonna LOVE it. imagine how awesome it's gonna be when he's troopin and someone says "did u make that helmet?" and he says "no, but Alex from TDH did it." your gonna be a legend sir...especially with this amazingly well crafted paintjob. BRAVO!!
THE - MOST - ACCURATE - DENT -PAINT JOB
EVER !!! PERIOD !!!
I can't even describe how close you nailed it in words man. The depth for one. You can see just a subtle hint of the carbon scoring, UNDERNEATH, between the crater, and the "chipping" around the edge. I've NEVER seen ANY-ONE, pull that off. Just amazing <insert shaking head from side to side icon here>
I count about 6 layers on the dent alone <including the darkest carbon at the base, and the smoke damage> Maybe seven. How close am I ??
And the rest is looking fabulous !
Dude, props to you man
Holy smokes man, thats just incredible, Chris summed it up the best, I've never seen a dent like that, just perfect, and just as I was about to start mine!! At least now I have the BEST reference possible, well done Alex really well done!!
Spidey, I have a doubt about the left check. The ESB helmet has this scratch (the red mark)?:
I am glad to see you posted pics buddy
I am going to say it....
This is going to be the greatest paint job EVER!!!
let me address this since I am also painting some of JBs stuff
Some of this project is left up to the artist himself....we all know that when you see the fett costume on display that many of the scratches, damage etc happened after the filming of the movie.
However some of this damage we have all grown to love and is recreated on helmets today.
I for one did my entire paintjob of my personal MSH2 based on the C4 costume and the personal pics I took myself.
I can tell you that painting the armor has been very difficult since we dont have as many pics of the armor and in some situations I had to wing it....
In the end this is a recreation if ESB but each artist who is sculpting and painting will have decsions to make and add his or her own personal touch.
Example...MOW...the decal you see on the jet pack was actually sculpted in an raised by MOW. This was his personal touch and I love it
Alex and I have talked about the helmet and what damage would be placed on it. I think the decisions he makes will be good and the end result will be incredible.
I am trying like heck to convince Spidey to put the black marks near the kill stripes on it. For me this is my favorite damage
so in short...no need to doubt
this bucket will be awesome
I wanted to do more of a hybrid version on the paint job... a cross between the movie version and AOSW version.
Some scratches I like and some I don't......the one you were referring to proves that most of the intial paint job was layered, as the black simply chipped off.....reason i put that one on was because FP likes that one so much..
And as Darthmiller said, I will not be puting the Crack on the side of the helmet, or the black markings under the dent....I figured Jermey would remember that part of it and not be to fond of it....just my thought.
How bout I make a deal with you Kaan??? since you are the first one to notice, I will put a scratch on there just for you...one that is on AOSW and not on the screen version.......my treat for you...and NO Blue Marker!!
and for the record...there's 7 layers on the Dent...good eye though.
I love this helmet Spidey and DM! and You know It Spidey. So please, If you can add the black marks like DM has said...
And I love the work on the dent!
I think the helmet's looking great so far, but personally I would prefer it to be pure ESB.
Andy, is your helmet pure ESB?
if so can you send me pics... as I want to make mine movie as close to accurate.
or can you point out what not to paint.
eg. black marks near kill stripes.
You gotta put the black specs around the kills !!!!
My point of view is this ...
It really is subjective. There are certainly a few signature scratches that we can prove from stills that were not there in the production of the film. But seriously, 90 + % of them, cannot be . So we have the AoSW/C4 exhibit. It's what the majority of fans have come to expect is "canon".
It's only the hard core Fett fanatic that will know the story on this, sure. But for the sake of the most intricate costume that can be assembled for JB, the more detail the better IMO. As long as it can be pointed out on the "Hero" helmet from yesteryear, anywhere in it's history, (proven to exist on it), it just makes for more of an interesting piece, as highly detailed of a masterpiece as possible for posterity. Within reason of course. NO BLUE MARKER
Remember, there will be a lot of "Star Wars Fans" seeing this suit over the upcoming years (not just "Fett Fans"). Any hard core SW fan is all about George Lucas' vision of the galaxy after the fall of the republic and everything in it - old, dirty, beaten up, and worn. Going the extra mile with other scratches and damage we see on the helmet today on exhibit, adds more to the look and feel of the character.
Another thing to consider - when it was originally painted for the film, they never knew in a million years that it would be scrutinized up close and personal, by thousands of fans. It was meant for a few minutes in a movie for a tertiary character. So, given that perspective, some would probably be a little disappointed in seeing the 1979 ESB "Hero" up close and personal, when we've been looking at AoSW exhibit photos for 10 years or more Again, it just makes for a much more interesting masterpiece in the end.
Mr. Bulloch has sustained some of his own dents, dings, and gouges over the last 25 years, why should his suit not match ( all in fun Mr. Bulloch )
It will be PURE ESB when JB puts on the suit/helmet.
Great job Alex!!
Last edited by Gonzo Fett; Feb 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM.
The detail on that dent is AMAZING! WW!!!
Please keep posting pics of this Master Class paint job!
Great stuff Alex!
:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup Wish I was JB. That would make this my helmet.
I thought JB asked for it to be ESB, so unless he specifically said to add what ever damage you like and not to add what you don't I don't see why pure ESB is being denied here. Give him what he asks for.
Lets look at another angle ...
If he had asked for ROTJ - we would STILL b using MoM for reference. Right?
And the MoM helmet has gone through just as many years of abuse since production as the ESB "Hero" has. Who wants to be the guy, who's going to pick and choose, with what little "clear" screen shot reference there is for the ROTJ helmet, which dent, scratch, ding, or gouge ... was actually on the helmet during filming/production? That's a crazier paint job than the ESB. It's not sensible. We use, what we "know". What is "tangible".
In the case of the ESB differences between filming and exhibit ... there's maybe 4 or 5 signature scratches that could be debated between screen / exhibit. Other than that, it's all of the "little" stuff, that can't be proven either way because of lack of reference. So being that it's only 4 or 5 scratches, it is really pointless to debate. there is always going to be guess work involved. And judgement.
When you get right down to it, he asked for ESB. What this means is, the version of Boba Fett that is green, not the "Technicolor Terror". It's not as narrow of a definition as you're making it sound. If he had asked for Pre-pro, he would have received that version. And there is even LESS reference available for that one. There will always be creative liberties ... because in most cases, there is little choice. Again, lack of reference. That is why it is, "A Replica".
We may be TDH, but we don't have "ALL" the answers. Not yet anyway
So the simple answer to your question is ... because there is no " TRUE" ESB. If you show me one suit that has originated from this board that is 100% accurate to either version, I'll find a way to finance buying it. Because it probably isn't fan made, and came from a midnight run to the archives And I don't mean this as any disrespect at all to anyone. This only means, that there is no way any of us will achieve it 100%. At least not yet. It's only thanks to TDh that we've come this far. But we're not perfect.
So, I suppose I'm trying to say, that you're question really should be rephrased. After all, he's not being *denied* anything He said he'd really like to have a Fett suit of his very own. TDH stepped up to the plate, and asked "Which Movie Version" ? He said ESB. So, we're *giving it* to him Where is he being denied anything ??
Last edited by fettpride; Feb 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM.
JB is getting what will be the BEST ESB Fett costume to date....
every maker has revised...re sculpted and done a new version for this project
FP V3 and FPH and wait till you see the new Gauntlets
MOW...special custom jet pack and blasters
and the list goes on...
the painters...Superjedi, Slave1pilot, Spidey, Bobamaker and myself all doing the best work possible
will it be perfect...no...a PERFECT ESB is impossible...We dont have enough ref pics
bottom line...we need to celebrate this project!!!
We may not have enough references to make it a 100% perfect ESB helmet but we have ones like KaanE showed where some of that damage was clearly NOT on the helmet.
All I am saying is that it was said that he requested an ESB costume. From my understanding , you give customers what they ask for, not what you want to give them.
Wait a minute, Darth Miller, did you just PM me asking me to edit my post because you guys aren't doing what you said you were going to do? JB wouldn't be asking you if everything was going ok if it was being done right to begin with.
Even if it's volounteer work if you say you're going to do something, do what you say you're going to do.
I don't understand...
What's the issue here?
I've for one, have really tried to be cool with you man. I really don't understand what YOUR problem is here? It's like, you're not even reading our posts.
Here it is, plain and simple man. And I'm sorry I have to say it this way, but you have sort of forced the issue.
#1 - Jeremy Bulloch IS NOT A CUSTOMER dude? What part of that are you not getting here ? He is being graciously "Given" a suit. $6000 worth. At no charge to him. Why is it that you are pressing that this is a matter of bad customer service or something?
#2 - you most likely received a PM about your comments, because it was our hopes (including the administration of TDH), to keep this thread, and all others associated with the JB Project - clean and "heckle free", for posterity. These threads were going to be presented "TO HIM" with his suit in the form of a "Year Book", chronicling the build up of his suit . So you were being asked, not to convolute the thread, and stay "On-Topic". Which is a show off thread - NOT A DEBATE.
#3 - You, are not the one, who is putting the work into this, nor having to make the MANY decisions associated with every grueling step of this process / project. It's not as easy as you think. We're trying to put together a museum quality suit, that some take years to assemble (myself included) in a matter of 3 months, on top of our REAL work, and REAL life.
I for one, would really appreciate YOU having a little more understanding, and refrain from "calling people out" on things that you really have no control over anyway.
You know good and well that he PM'd you. If you've got a PM from him, He PM'd you That was an asinine thing to post. It's statements like this that send up all the little red flags, and sounds the bells and whistles, that you're "TRYING" to be a troublemaker for whatever the reason. You're making yourself look really bad now. I'm not sure what your ulterior motive is, but statements like you're making in light of the "charity" of this project, is bound to spark a nasty argument, and / or flame war, and I think you know that. If you don't think it's being done right, that is your opinion. And YOUR opinion only. You've made it clear that you don't agree. You should have left it at that.
Again, I'm sorry to sound this way, but your acting like you "don't get it" just isn't doing it for me anymore. I would have sent you a PM myself, but I see you're trying to cause trouble by making private matters public. "Outting" Darthmiller for his efforts to "diffuse" a possible flame war using the PM system, is in serious bad form. This is what the administration urges us to do. So here it is, for all to see
Last edited by fettpride; Feb 25, 2008 at 5:18 AM.
I'm speechless, this is a gesture, not just any gesture but one of the most incredible and intricate gestures ever, you've got a group of amazingly talented people coming together for a common cause, to present the guy who all those years back brought to life the character who forms the very basis of this forum, with his own suit made as I said before by the good people here who are giving up their own time and money to make it as fantastic as possible, its a great great thing and personally I think every individual artist who is contributing has his/her own license to lay down whatever they feel is right, I sincerely doubt Jeremy would ever turn around after all this and say 'yeh its good and all guys but your left off this scratch' Guys carry on doing what your doing, your making us all proud to be TDH'ers
Alex, this is one of the best paint-ups I have ever seen and if you and or others 'want' to put a little damage here and there as you see fit from MOM exhibit ref material? well you Jeffing well do it!
So lets get back to the 'show off' thread and get some more pretty pictures up Alex...
Last edited by Mojo-Fett; Feb 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM.
Can't we just all get along.
Best paint job i've seen in a long time!!
We had hoped to print up all of these threads and present them to Jeremy in a book form along with pictures of progress pics etc...
I did PM ZR..in hopes of having him change up some of the words he selected while trying to give feedback to us.
In the end we gladly accept feedback ,ideas and suggestions on this project...
I would hope that if anyone has issues with any "choice" we make or any honest Mistake that you could PM the artist in private instead of calling him out.
Hey..none of us are perfect
anyway...it is what it is
Alex...keep up the great work man!!!!
Alex that dent is perfect!! I kept hearing about this "awesome" dent paintjob, and kept checking this thread only to be disappointed by lack of pics It was certainly worth the wait. Saving those as reference pics. The only problem, is it makes me want to redo my dent now
WOW... I take the rest of the night off and look what happens ...
There really is nothing else I can say that hasn't already been said by Fettpride and Darthmiller that I completely agree with btw.....thanks guys.
I personally think some people are just of the tone of "sabatage" verses helping...BUT that should be left on another thread... maybe even another forum.
Don't get me wrong, feedback is great... and maybe even warrented in this case...I appreciate all the positive feedback, even the "well constructed" negative ones.
But there is a difference between feedback, and not knowing what you're talking about...and I mean that in terms of the JB Project itself.
Here's exactly what I mean.... AOSW, SE, PRE PRO, are all terms we've come up with here on this board, and the meaning behind those terms.
And when I spoke with Jeremy, as I do once a week for updates...I asked if he understood the differences in the costumes......and his answer to me was YES.....YES for ESB vs. ROTJ only, that's it.. Which means, as long as it has green Guantlets and a green pack, that's the version he wants...plain and simple.
I think FP said it best...in the end, not to sound like a self-centered j@erk, but I'M the one painting it.
and I think everyone that was chosen for the other items on this project, me included, are very capable of putting together the best of the best ESB costume ever...which is the reason we chose these other members, and is what our ultimate goal is.
Anyone who has been following the other threads would know that.
So based on PM's and how people have posted... I will now be doing a closer version to AOSW.......8)....per popular demand!!
The vote is in FOLKS, (not like it was ever up for one )...and AOSW wins.......minus the blue marker and crack on the side of the helmet is what I will be painting.
...and I will post more pics soon, to help get this thread back on track.
Thanks everyone for your comments.:thumbup
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 25, 2008 at 1:47 PM.
I'm waiting the pics Spidey 8)
"JB FPH Progress thread, Praise only"
Last edited by Spideyfett; May 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM.
The helmet looks amazing Alex, I'm blown away!!!!!!! :thumbup
Gang, I think everyone just needs to relax a little bit here. If criticism is asked for then it should be expected. However, if you are the one giving criticism, be very careful in your wording as a lot gets lost when you are simply typing words and people can easily get defensive and put their guard up. Be sure you are being "constructive" and not just "critical" in your criticism.
As for editing posts, there is no need. Eventually when you want to print this off, I can move whatever posts need to be moved out of the thread and it can then be printed. It's not a problem and people do not need to be asked to edit their posts
ALex - With the helmet nearing completion have you given any thought to the addition of padding to the inside for a perfect fit? Or is this something that will have to be done on site once its in the hands of JB? I ask because I was curious if there is a right way or wrong way to pad the helmet and maintain movie accuracy.
Another question, will it have the Chinstrap?
the paint app looks amazing! great job!... this debate is a matter of personal pref. You made a wise decsion. Also look at the reference material people there inst a awhole lot of close of detailed shots of ESB.
Plus this paint app looks awsome as is.
We have plans to do an MR finish inside....with moderate padding....just something nice and professional looking....and Yes, the Chin Strap is going in... that's what Jeremy knows.
He will also have a switch inside of his helmet to turn off and on his RF lights.... but nothing major, or even close to accurate.
Batninja has already come up with a Design for it...
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 26, 2008 at 4:37 PM.
Looks like with 66 votes so far http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f22/jb-project-screen-version-vs-aosw-nonscreen-version-24228/ ...as much as it pains me....ESB is the winner!!...
Congrats ESB guys.
Will be making the minor changes tonight.
Wow. that's amazing. I have a lot to learn about painting... well done.
Had time this past weekend to get one side of the back done, completed the dome too, just haven't taken pictures of that....going slow, and I find myself reaching for moments to paint...busy busy!...
I should be done with this by next week. ...and yes, more pics coming.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Oct 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM.
man....I cant even tell you how good this is looking....
I would like to officially vote you into the TDH PAINTING Hall of Fame!!
Nice work my friend, looks awesome!!
Simply, totally and completely stunning!
Spideyfett, this helmet looks unbelievable.
Can't wait to see more.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Oct 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM.
Yeah! It's really nice! How much time you have spent painting the rear?
STUN-NING! Great work Alex...
there are not enough words to describe how amazing that is alex. SPECTACULAR WORK!!! JB is a lucky guy.
I'm getting really jealous over here..
Outstanding, its great for me to have all these nice reference shots to look at whilst I paint mine You raise the bar so high my friend I'd need a jet pack to get that high
Man....you make me want to sand my helmet down and try again....
Great job Bro!! I cant wait to see this finished!!!
That looks great! It makes my eyes hurt just thinking about painting that.
Stunning work!! What colour did you use for the lighter areas within the silver by the way?
What? Thats a concrete helmet? (Thats Norman, best mate)
I used a very light blue/grey for those scratches...
Last edited by terminal fettler; Mar 9, 2008 at 3:52 AM.
Only three weeks away... plan to finish this bad boy by Sunday...8)
Still have a ton of weathering still to do.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Oct 1, 2008 at 11:04 PM.
Speechless....... it looks amazing buddy
Niiiiiice! And all this is for me? :o Thank you!
Oh... ok, isn't for me Good work Spidey
Topically painted to look like its been layered! VERY skillfull brushwork...
I bet this helmet would look even more stunning up close and personal....awesome job Alex!
Dang that is such a nice helmet. If I can get my paint job to look half that good I would be excited.
Well, the project is nearing it's end..... and we are in FULL Assembly mode.....
Unfortunately we have decided that no pictures of the FULL suit or Helmet will be posted till 04/04th the DAY before the event.
So this will be the Last few pictures I will post, until the event.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Oct 1, 2008 at 11:12 PM.
Ive got the be the kill joy weasel of the group and say......
Ya missed a spot rofl just kidding... i must say that the helmet reflects the love and hard work and dedication put into it, and although I am a RotJ purist, it makes me want to do one ESB
My Bucket and Anakin Wig are off to you, for your piece of art and artistic talent
Hey Alex, I'm sorry but I must of been living under a rock Could you please elaborate once again for me what the event is...
Alex, that looks fantastic!!!!
Totally awesome Alex... 8)
Best I've seen to date! hats off to ya, ya got some real skill there... :thumbup
Wow! That came out niiiiiice! Can't wait to see everything in person.
Ok ok pass the sand paper, I need to start again awesome work maestro
I´m totally impressed, not able to speak, just stunning...
Alex, you did a great job on this helmet and I´d love to be in Dallas at the Celebration-Ceremony when JB will get his suit...but Dallas is too far away from Germany....
Anyway, enjoy your work and send more pics, pics and pics, please
Best wishes to all involved TDH-members from Germany
HOLY ****! haha I'm new to these forums and this whole idea of making your own suit and seeing something evolve like this into an AMAZING helmet is so awesome! You do such good work Spidey! Maybe someday I can become one fo your guys project haha... That would rock so much
Again! Amazing work! I love it!