JB Project/ FPH Helmet

**Spideyfett** · 01-02-2008, 03:21 PM

Didn't want to bog down the Jeremy Bulloch thread with progress pics.. http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=23257 ....so I thought it would be best to start a separate thread.

I'm in charge of the helmet for this project and will be painting this piece using a Topical method.

Trust me, it was a hard decision after many hours of going back and forth between layered and topical

. Ultimately to get every scratch "perfect", topical was the way to go!

..It pains me to admit that.

Although I won't be posting "how too's" on the work I will be doing, I will only be posting completed phases. This saves me allot of typing, and I also have other peices that need painting for this project.... have to move fast yet accurate...a mid March deadline will be here before you know it.

Anyway here is the first pic...

Wetsanded, prepped and primed FPH, with fitted aluminum ears. (Jeremy's getting all the good stuff.

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Enjoy.

**superjedi** · 01-02-2008, 04:47 PM

Aaawww yeah!! Here we go.

**cojake** · 01-02-2008, 05:02 PM

I can't wait to see more of this! :thumbup

**Sixxgunn13** · 01-02-2008, 05:14 PM

What # is his helmet ?

**never_ending_fett** · 01-02-2008, 05:23 PM

I love the stand with the TDH Dent logo on it! That's pretty cool!

**Spideyfett** · 01-02-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sixxgunn13

What # is his helmet ?

#2

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**DarthMiller** · 01-02-2008, 07:00 PM

TOPICAL!!!!

YES!!!

**mrgr8ness** · 01-03-2008, 08:42 AM

What are you using for the rf topper? If hollow, I could probably put together a circuit.

**Spideyfett** · 01-03-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by mrgr8ness

What are you using for the rf topper? If hollow, I could probably put together a circuit.

that would be GREAT bro!!! PM SENT!!

**fettpride** · 01-03-2008, 09:37 AM

And so it begins eh Spidey

Watching in much anticipation !

This suit is gonna rock !

If you need me to host any pics bro, lemme know. I have a ton of bandwidth that I'll never use in a million years

FP

**Spideyfett** · 01-03-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by fettpride

And so it begins eh Spidey

Watching in much anticipation !

This suit is gonna rock !

If you need me to host any pics bro, lemme know. I have a ton of bandwidth that I'll never use in a million years

FP

Thanks Chris..:thumbup
I got some paint on it yesterday too

...had to redo it, cause I started layered

, I will take some pics and send them to you tomorrow.

**fettpride** · 01-03-2008, 09:48 AM

You got it my friend. Just e-mail them to me and I'll post them here for you !

FP

**DL44 Blaster** · 01-03-2008, 01:24 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing the progress. I agree that topical is best way to get things "perfect".

Can't wait 'til the pics start rolling in!

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-03-2008, 02:59 PM

Hey Alex you done yet?

C'mon..........

**samlynn79** · 01-03-2008, 05:50 PM

Progress pics!!!! Gimme!

**987654321a** · 01-03-2008, 07:01 PM

Yea! Progress pictures. We Need Them!

**Spideyfett** · 01-05-2008, 04:16 PM

Oops ...forgot to post this one last week...

Base colors applied....8)

sorry for the lighting issues...

**987654321a** · 01-05-2008, 04:29 PM

Wow, looking good! I would hate to add battle damage to that baby!

**DarthMiller** · 01-05-2008, 05:06 PM

nice....I need to come over and see this in person

are you going to do the BACK first????

**Sixxgunn13** · 01-05-2008, 05:07 PM

Did you paint the interior black? Looks great.

**SEEKER** · 01-05-2008, 07:43 PM

Awesome. Maybe you should send him every picture of process when completed, that way he'll know that he's getting all the goods stuff and all the great work that you guys went through.

I'm sure he'll enjoy seeing the process as much as the finished suit.

good stuff guys!!

**stormtrooperguy** · 01-05-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by SEEKER

Awesome. Maybe you should send him every picture of process when completed, that way he'll know that he's getting all the goods stuff and all the great work that you guys went through.

I'm sure he'll enjoy seeing the process as much as the finished suit.

good stuff guys!!

that's a great idea... include a photo album with it!

**Spideyfett** · 01-05-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by tk7602

that's a great idea... include a photo album with it!

Way ahead of you guys..

..and great Idea.

**Spideyfett** · 01-06-2008, 05:11 PM

UPDATE:

Added the rest of the base colors with a tad of wearthering at this stage.
Also added the killstripes with weathering..
Base color for the back is added, along with some additional weathering...
And finally!!! Spideyfet/Evan4218 Aluminum Ears painted with the base colors..

I'm done for today....will start back up on Tuesday..

Cheers.

**DarthMiller** · 01-06-2008, 05:13 PM

WOW!!!!

incredible!!

**fettpride** · 01-06-2008, 05:51 PM

Oh man ... the excitement is building

There is "something" about that 1st pic bro ... the angle, something ... I dunno .. but it's a striking resemblance to the real helmet

I'll see if I can dig up the one I'm talking about - unless someone beats me to it

Oh my ....

Looking superb so far my brother ... I can't wait to see this progress. Whuddu I need to do to keep a fire lit under your booty to keep plugin on this

FP

**bobamatt** · 01-06-2008, 05:54 PM

uhh... wow!

Now, please excuse me....

... I need to go wash my pants.

**Spideyfett** · 01-06-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by fettpride

Oh man ... the excitement is building

There is "something" about that 1st pic bro ... the angle, something ... I dunno .. but it's a striking resemblance to the real helmet

I'll see if I can dig up the one I'm talking about - unless someone beats me to it

Oh my ....
FP

You mean this one??

**DarthMiller** · 01-06-2008, 07:43 PM

now that is a great comparison pic!!!!!

**Jango's kid** · 01-06-2008, 08:42 PM

WOW THATS NICE!!!! That is gonna be one slick bucket!!!! Keep the pics rollin!!
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**superjedi** · 01-06-2008, 08:43 PM

Woo hoo!! That's what I'm talkin' about. Looks great!

**Myles** · 01-06-2008, 10:28 PM

Kandosii'la ner vod!

**Scoutleader** · 01-06-2008, 10:44 PM

Does anyone know if Mr.Bulloch is a member on this site?

**fettpride** · 01-07-2008, 03:55 AM

WOW!

Yah, that'll work !!!

I suppose that IS the one I was thinking about 8)

It looks like the FPH wasn't tilted back quite as far in your pic, which affected the green cheek areas a bit, BUT since you weren't even trying for that perspective for a comp, it's bordering CREEPY

Great Job man !

FP

**Gypsyboy** · 01-07-2008, 04:52 AM

Not only is this an awesome project, but the fantastic paiting progress pics are just what I need to guide me through my own paint job. Fantastic!! (did I already say that?)

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-07-2008, 04:59 AM

My thoughts exactly, Alex I feel your pain bro I started my FPH by spraying it silver then remembering I was going topical so i had to start again, Ive just got my base colours down and am starting to detail the cheeks, mine however is not even a tenth as pretty as yours, YOU the man :thumbup

**Gypsyboy** · 01-07-2008, 05:07 AM

I've been seeing a lot of "topical is better" and am wondering if this is the general concensus. I wanted to paint mine from the inside out, as it were, but since I've been seeing a lot of topical supporters I'm starting to wonder if I should change my mind. If so, what are the main reasons for this?

**webchief** · 01-07-2008, 05:41 AM

There's no definite option that is better. It's a matter of personal preference. Topical allows you a bit more control with how exact you are with your scratches but layered gives it more of a realistic damage look. The real helmet had both at the same time so it's really up to you.

**Spideyfett** · 01-07-2008, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by webchief

There's no definite option that is better. It's a matter of personal preference. Topical allows you a bit more control with how exact you are with your scratches but layered gives it more of a realistic damage look. The real helmet had both at the same time so it's really up to you.

exactly..

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I used to be a "strictly Layered guy"...but when you end up seeing Topical results come out the same, or even better than layered...that's one of the reasons we changed for this project.

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-07-2008, 07:57 AM

Same for me, I was so impressed with Superjedi's FPH which was done using the topical method, except the back I think? I thought I'd give it a try myself, so far so good, really must get some pics up!

**superjedi** · 01-07-2008, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Gypsyboy

I've been seeing a lot of "topical is better" and am wondering if this is the general concensus. I wanted to paint mine from the inside out, as it were, but since I've been seeing a lot of topical supporters I'm starting to wonder if I should change my mind. If so, what are the main reasons for this?

I think the biggest reasons I like the tropical method is because you can just hang out on the beach in the warm sunshine, sipping a pina colada while. . . oh. . . topical--
Nevermind.

**fettpride** · 01-07-2008, 11:30 AM

Psssssst .... <he says softly, as he gestures with his finger for you to come a little closer ... >

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I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A TOPICAL GUY - I TRIED TO TELL YA BRO !!!! Glad you finally came around

FP

**DarthMiller** · 01-07-2008, 08:17 PM

YES..I have been telling him the same thing....glad he finally came around to our thinking!!!

Originally Posted by fettpride

Psssssst .... <he says softly, as he gestures with his finger for you to come a little closer ... >

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I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A TOPICAL GUY - I TRIED TO TELL YA BRO !!!! Glad you finally came around

FP

**MandalorFett** · 01-07-2008, 08:26 PM

Great progress, and great idea. Way to go Spideyfett and friends!

**Jango's kid** · 01-07-2008, 10:58 PM

Think I'll chime in here real quick on the topical vs layered topic.

Yes, we know that the real screen used helmet had both tchinques. However, from my recent research, I am under the impression that the real deal was mostly topical. SO...IMO it comes down to what you are going to be doing with your bucket & how accurate do you wanna be.

Topical is great, BUT...In my experience, a layered job looks way more realistic in person if you are close up & oogling over a persons costume!!! (remeber, when the original was painted it was intened for screen use) On screen or in pics, a topical job looks killer, and if you are a master painer like Spidey, DM, or FP, then you can match the original scratch for scratch. BUT, for many of us, (myself included,) its tough to make a layered job look realistic looking when viewed in person, Many topical jobs I've seen have a dabbed on look. (No offence meant guys...I'm pretty shure the real one looks like that in person too!!

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So really, something everybody should consider when painting their new buckets, is how are you gonna use it???? If you are an active 501st'er & have tons of people getting in your face for pics etc, you may wanna lean towards layered for realisms sake. If you are a an accuracy freak & wanna get as close to orignal as possible, you might wanna lean more towards topical. Either way is fine IMO. I really haven't decided which way I'll do my next bucket. In a perfect world, it would be nice to have two helmets...one really accurate topical for the display, and one real looking layered for troopin. but that aint gonna hapen for me.

Sorry to veer away from the thread topic Spidey. Again, superb looking bucket!!!!!
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**webchief** · 01-08-2008, 06:58 AM

I'm of the club that you do what you're comfortable with and in the end as long as you're happy with the results than that's all that matters. With me, when I painted my MSH2 I didn't have the ability to do the layered... people weren't making stencils for other people to use and it was a lot more work to do. I chose the topical method. However, when I got my FP2 armor I was able to use stencils (which helped a ton) and painted the armor layered. In the end I was happy with the results, I've got tons of compliments and had a great time.

It's all up to your individual choice. There is no right or wrong way to do it.

**Spideyfett** · 01-08-2008, 12:15 PM

..Both well said Webchief and Jango's Kid..

Everything until now has been topical on this helmet...
the back does have a layered step that I always use regardless if I do ALL topical or ALL layered..

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used masking fluid and added the dark bluish green color on the back...
also had time to start painting the ears...yes, ALL paint, no decals...even the white part. Now that was tricky...
And well I took this pic for kicks..8)....thought it looked cool.
Thanks for the great feedback, more updates coming.

**KaanE** · 01-08-2008, 12:30 PM

WOW Spidey! Incredible, seriously. All HAND PAINTED, topical, FPH, ... Something more?
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Ah, yeah! ALUMINIUM EARS!!!

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-08-2008, 12:31 PM

Ive said it before I'll say it again YOU the man!!! Great work Alex and those ears look amazing!!

**Geo** · 01-08-2008, 12:41 PM

Man it is SO hard to type with drool ALL over my keyboard!!!!

Beautiful job FP and Spidey!!!

Geo

**Mojo-Fett** · 01-08-2008, 12:41 PM

Alex.. you do have some awesome skills bro... :thumbup

*goes and practices some more*

**fettpride** · 01-08-2008, 01:31 PM

Hee hee

Lovin it ! Glad you kept that fire lit

FP

**mrgr8ness** · 01-08-2008, 01:40 PM

Looking fantastic!

**Gypsyboy** · 01-08-2008, 02:06 PM

Wow. I didn't think there would be this much input on the topical vs layered question. LOL Sorry to have caused a chunk of your thread to be somewhat off-topic spideyfett. On the other hand, thanks all for the great input. I want my helmet to be a look good in-hand, up-close job, so I think I'll go with my original plan, which is to go layered. Not tropical - er, topical.

That being said, this is still an awesome demonstration of how to paint a Fett lid... no matter what method one chooses to use.

**SD68** · 01-08-2008, 03:34 PM

Awesome! Simply awesome! I never get tired of the paint ups especially of this magnitude. I always seem to learn a new technique or shortcut from you guys. Jeremy is going to be stoked. Keep up the awesome work Spidey.:thumbup

**AFettFullofDollars** · 01-09-2008, 03:13 AM

MAN! That is SWEET looking, Spidey!

**DarthMiller** · 01-09-2008, 05:40 AM

WOW...just when I thought my skills may be catching up to you....I am then humbled by your abilities....

Spidey you are a MASTER JEDI PAINTER!!

I need you to teach me more!!!!!!

**Stormrider** · 01-09-2008, 06:24 AM

So FP, Did you give him the helmet numbered #1, or did you keep that one for yourself?

**Simon Fett** · 01-09-2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Sixxgunn13

What # is his helmet ?

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

#2

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

So FP, Did you give him the helmet numbered #1, or did you keep that one for yourself?

He gave up #2 to JB so I guess #1 is his to keep!

**hansoloway** · 01-09-2008, 08:57 AM

Well done spideyfett! Between the top notch quality of the helmet and the expert paint up, this is a bucket that will do Jeremy proud!

**fettpride** · 01-09-2008, 09:21 AM

I'm more humble than that, I don't even have one for myself yet

Actually, Evan4218 has #1. It's not numbered, but it was the very first pull. I started numbering them at #3

Jeremy's will be numbered and signed by "The Master Jedi Painter" when complete

Can you imagine that? Instead of Jeremy signing a helmet for a fan, a "Fan" is signing a helmet for the "Man" ! How cool is THAT !! 8)

Thanks for all the great comments on the FPH guys !

Spidey, you rock man ! I can't wait to see this thing finished !!

FP

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-14-2008, 11:48 AM

Updates Alex we need updates

**Spideyfett** · 01-18-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by HeadlessHunter

Updates Alex we need updates

Sorry, I should have posted these last week...

Did some work on the Ear Cap....
and did some work on the Dent, "a Fettpride request"
The back started to...

**HeadlessHunter** · 01-19-2008, 12:34 AM

Awesome!!! Welcome back bro

:thumbup

**DarthMiller** · 01-19-2008, 06:39 AM

WOW....the back is freakin awesome!!!!

**fettpride** · 01-19-2008, 09:39 AM

Oh man ... that's beautiful

The back is CRAZY. But I just love that dent so far ...

FP

**MandalorFett** · 01-19-2008, 09:44 AM

Wow Alex, you've improved even more since the last pics I've seen of you painting a bucket!!! You were amazing back then too!

**Drake** · 01-19-2008, 09:50 AM

Awesome work!! 8)

Can't wait for more updates with nice pictures!

Keep up the good work.

**Mojo-Fett** · 01-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Alex.. that Dent and back section looks spot on! great progress and great purpose...

**jedi.paramedic** · 01-19-2008, 03:13 PM

That looks awesome. The pictures are great for reference.

**Gypsyboy** · 01-19-2008, 04:08 PM

In fact, this thread is my main source of ref pics for the paintjob.

**DL44 Blaster** · 01-20-2008, 07:34 AM

This is quite simply nothing short of jaw-droppingly stunning

The bucket, the paintjob, the ears

Jeremy will have a "better" suit than what he wore in ESB&ROTJ. Better being a relative term, of course8).

**Jango's kid** · 01-20-2008, 10:24 AM

Doesn't get any better than that!!! Outstanding!!
D

**DarthMiller** · 01-26-2008, 08:19 PM

I want an UPDATE in 5 minutes!!!

**Spideyfett** · 01-26-2008, 08:23 PM

Well... I'm back at it.

Got bored with the back so I applied a few more scratches on the dome, and applied the gray..

...still have a ways to go on the Dent...but heres the latest.

thanks.

**fettpride** · 01-26-2008, 08:24 PM

Does that mean that there will be an update coming in 5 ? I'd bet on it

FP

**DarthMiller** · 01-26-2008, 08:31 PM

he did it in 4 minutes....LOL

Originally Posted by fettpride

Does that mean that there will be an update coming in 5 ? I'd bet on it

FP

**DarthMiller** · 01-26-2008, 08:32 PM

Spidey...WOW...incredible

I am going to say it....this will be the BEST EVER!!!!

**Mojo-Fett** · 01-27-2008, 01:13 AM

That dent looks wicked Alex...! Love the additional shading you have put in there, gives it a real dented metallic look?

'does that even make sense'

- Just mean it looks stressed... (I'm gonna just stop typing)

I'm currently using this as my painting template... :o

**fettpride** · 01-27-2008, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

he did it in 4 minutes....LOL

He sure did didn't he !!!

Hadn't even clicked submit on my post, and the new pics were already there !!

That is saweeeeeeet !!!! The "cat scratch" looks beautiful! And I can see where you're going with the dent .... heh heh ... niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

And I think you NAILED the rusty dirty grime in the "Turn Signals" ... it looks just like the AoSW exhibit !
Anyone else notice that "subtle" first trace of weathering spatter going on there? Alex is even doing that in stages ... that's probably #1 of about 10 !

FP

**Geo** · 01-28-2008, 08:17 AM

***!!! Spidey that is fantastic!! :thumbup

This is a beautiful helmet in progress!

Geo

**Spideyfett** · 01-28-2008, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by fettpride

Anyone else notice that "subtle" first trace of weathering spatter going on there? Alex is even doing that in stages ... that's probably #1 of about 10 !

FP

Shhh, you're giving away my "secrets"...

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no really I think it's best to work in stages, before the final weathering effects go on...

Thanks everyone for the comments so far.

**Mojo-Fett** · 01-28-2008, 09:22 AM

All your secrets indeed... there isn't that much time!!

The weathering is great so far Alex, keeping a very close eye on this one...

**Spideyfett** · 02-01-2008, 06:03 AM

New pics tonight!!

**Mojo-Fett** · 02-01-2008, 06:09 AM

*Rubs hands together feaverishly*... can't wait to see what you've done next! 8)

**DL44 Blaster** · 02-01-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

Spidey...WOW...incredible

I am going to say it....this will be the BEST EVER!!!!

Seconded

**Wes** · 02-01-2008, 08:56 AM

Spidey, you use templates for any specific scratches?

**Spideyfett** · 02-01-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Delta75

Spidey, you use templates for any specific scratches?

Certain ones ...YUP...

...doesn't everyone now a days???

..so I hear..

Courtousy of Count Dookie... and a few others:thumbup....plus I have my own tricks I still like to use.

However there will be somethings that will still be hand painted that I just can't get around....like the Right Ear cap for one...hand painted...and other areas..

Why, you like???

**Wes** · 02-01-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Certain ones ...YUP...

...doesn't everyone now a days???

..so I hear..

Courtousy of Count Dookie... and a few others:thumbup....plus I have my own tricks I still like to use.

However there will be somethings that will still be hand painted that I just can't get around....like the Right Ear cap for one...hand painted...and other areas..

Why, you like???

Yea it's looking really good.

I just started making some ROTJ templates for a few spots myself, some that are just a real pain.

**HeadlessHunter** · 02-02-2008, 06:24 AM

where can I find a good template for the cat scratch in the left hand side just above the visor? Pics my man Pics!!!

**jodo** · 02-02-2008, 07:47 AM

You sure thats not photoshopped?

**Mojo-Fett** · 02-02-2008, 08:25 AM

Joe... email sent bro...

**HeadlessHunter** · 02-02-2008, 09:25 AM

Message(s) received, thanks guys, I love this place

**DarthMiller** · 02-03-2008, 08:21 PM

Alex....POST those pics of the FINISHED DENT my friend!!!!

**Mojo-Fett** · 02-08-2008, 07:36 AM

Any updates Alex... show us the 'Dent' *group chant*

**Spideyfett** · 02-08-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

Any updates Alex... show us the 'Dent' *group chant*

I took a ton of pictures, just haven't gotten around to uploading them

.... I know I promised, just seems to be lots to do... the whole project is really coming together..

**Mojo-Fett** · 02-08-2008, 09:40 AM

Cool.. look forward to seeing them bud!
Are you keeping some of the stages during painting *secret* not wishing to show all your cards?

**DarthMiller** · 02-08-2008, 01:24 PM

just wait till you see his FINISHED dent.....I cant even begin to tell you how awesome it is......

Alex...get those pics up buddy

**Mojo-Fett** · 02-08-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

just wait till you see his FINISHED dent.....I cant even begin to tell you how awesome it is......

Alex...get those pics up buddy

I liked what Alex had done with it so far... all those little details/shades of Silver and Grey's to highlight distressed metal?

Nice touch. 8)
So that said... Get em up Alex...

**Silver Fett** · 02-09-2008, 09:17 PM

That helmet looks AWESOME!!!

Jeremy bulloch is one lucky guy.

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