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    Sep 28, 2004, 2:56 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #51

    WOW ... this thread has deviated quite a bit since the last time I checked it (about post 4).

    I see both sides of the, but would have to agree with what I believe the majority is saying. I'm a part supplier, but am well known (and griped at) by those that know me, when it comes to charging for my time. When I designed the FettLights, I asked other engineers I knew what THEY would charge. The suggestions I had ranged from $200 - 300, based on typical mark-ups for time, investment, skill, etc. I came back to TDH, and had a few people say they'd be willing to pay it. When it all came down to it, I was more than happy charging $100, because I knew more people could afford it, and now there are alot of people proudly displaying my work on their suits. At the time, there were few options for chest lights. Could I have charged more, sure (based on supply/demand). But could I have charged less? Sure again ... I just wouldn't have, because my time/skill IS worth something.

    With that said, I know people who repair electronics and charge $40+ PER HOUR. Personally, I can't see charging that myself, but wouldn't fault someone who does. If that's what his time is worth, great. If no one pays that, will he be out of business? Not likely. I've had customers damage circuits made by me (they acknowledged the fact that it was their fault, not a defect). What did I do? I repaired the circuits for free, or for the cost of parts, depending on the extent of damage. One of these repairs took me a couple of hours due to the extent of the damage, but I didn't charge for my time. Point? The guy that paid what I asked (which I didn't think was too much) put his faith not only in my work, but in my services. Because of this, I've done free repair jobs,as well as being approached about fixing the work of others.

    Personally, I believe that if you can do something yourself, go for it. If you can't, and can afford it, pay someone to help you out. But if you can't afford someone's work AND don't have the skill to do it yourself, you shouldn't insult them ... people charge what THEY feel they deserve for the work. They have a skill/talent/part that others don't. And if people are paying for the services/product, then there are others who agree.

    Thanks for letting me be long-winded.

    EDIT: Just wanted to say thanks for posting the prices as requested in the original post. I have a painted "Mystery" helmet that I hope to keep, but may *have* to sell ... and had NO idea what they were running for these days.


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    Sep 28, 2004, 3:13 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #52

    [qoute]Your car has a big nasty scratch on it, you can't fix it your self so it goes to the auto shop for a respray

    now do you choose

    A) The professional sprayer who, know's what to do, how to mix the paints ,get the right colour match and blend in the paint layers so you wont see the scratch anymore

    or

    B) Choose the little apprentice fresh from college who's only read how to do thing's in a text book and never faced the practical problems that will be thrown at him . i.e paint reacting to something, we've all been there


    you would choose the "A" option, no one would go for the apprentice, apprentice's are nothing but tea boys and floor sweepers.


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    and they will fork over $800 to fix that scratch with a smile on their face
    i worked in autobody for just over 10 years, took the college classes (funny thing is i remember doing more work than reading)and started as the tea boy and floor sweeper, worked my way up and am now manager/painter in a custom shop. i can see the point as 99% of the college kids cant make the transition from doing a job in 2 semesters to now do it in 2 days. now i feel i have more knowledge in this subject than 99% of the people here. I have given my advice in several threads here with quite abrasive feedback mostly to what kinda filler, primer, paint. anyways, as to could i paint a helmet, most definatly, would i do my own, nope. The painting i do to the layering on a helmet is totally backwards like inside out compared to inside in (if that makes sense) i would probably drive myself to the nut house trying to paint a helemt. i will convert an old construction saying here "dont let a car painter work on your helmet and dont let ahelmet painter paint your car. but if you feel the need od some ghost flames on your helmet lol

    back to the topic i seen some real good lookin painted mystery helmets on ebay for around 400
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    Sep 28, 2004, 5:00 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #53

    I can't help but ask myself why some of these "fantabulous" fee-charging painters don't put up a few detailed tutorials saying what paint/colour/technique they use and how to achieve various effects??
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    Sep 28, 2004, 5:16 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #54

    i have a fiberglass mystery helmet , and i painted it myself to match my armor.......i have under 3 bills in it ( 300 ).........and its NOT for sale.....you can see it on the 501st web site.....i'm BH4889 !!.......or on the ohio garrison web site......www.ohio501st.com.......again, bh4889
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    Sep 28, 2004, 5:18 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #55


    DarthBish wrote:

    I can't help but ask myself why some of these "fantabulous" fee-charging painters don't put up a few detailed tutorials saying what paint/colour/technique they use and how to achieve various effects??
    Eh?
    I've only been on the boards for around 8 months and in that time I have seen several threads listing everything from which paints to use, what colors and what techniques are best. Could we do with more, of course, you can never have to much information. But to gripe about them not providing information seems to me not only unfair but also unjustifiable.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 6:54 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #56


    DarthBish wrote:

    I can't help but ask myself why some of these "fantabulous" fee-charging painters don't put up a few detailed tutorials saying what paint/colour/technique they use and how to achieve various effects??
    I have, ask Jedi-Bob.... His bucket came out awesome using my guides!! I remeber others saying my guides have helped in the past as well and asking me how I do it.

    I have posted many times in threads in past in several threads wether it be being in my own threads, or others.

    Others have too, I have used Rouges Studios techneques he has freely posted here several times to show to do it.

    So don't go saying there arn't tutorials floating around when they are. Sure, they may not be on "one localized place" but they may be mixed in with other thread topics, but they are there none the less.

    Lynn

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    Sep 28, 2004, 7:01 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #57


    DarthBish wrote:

    Ohhhhhhhh don't be such a freakin' "drama queen". I never said give your service away for free.
    I just suggested that everyone should be more reasonable with what they charge.
    I never said you did, but if I charged less then what I feel is worth my time and effort I may as well as do it for free and thus is not worth my time to do the project.
    It is that pure and simple, I name my price the people say yes or no and it is that simple, I have never been turned down because my price was too high.

    Lynn

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    Sep 28, 2004, 7:54 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #58


    DarthBish wrote:

    I can't help but ask myself why some of these "fantabulous" fee-charging painters don't put up a few detailed tutorials saying what paint/colour/technique they use and how to achieve various effects??
    Lynn has, on SEVERAL occasions posted very detailed info about how he does his helmets. Lynn's a super guy, with incredible talent. Finding those two traits in such a combination is rare. It seems to me that you've come to expect something for nothing. Another product of our country's latest times.

    Making a Fett costume is within ANYONE's grasp. Having a top-notch, almost perfectly accurate paint job that looks as good at one inch away as it does from 30 feet, is NOT in everyone's grasp. Some can do it themselves if they have the time and talent. Some can afford to have a pro do it for them. Some can do neither. Simple as that. (And believe me, I'm a person who has spent PLENTY of time in the "neither" category, so I speak from experience.)

    What kind of car do you drive? We drive a Ford Ranger (me) and a Dodge Grand Caravan (my wife). They do the job for us. Can we afford something bigger/better? Not really. Does that mean that instead of settling for what we can afford, we should bitch and moan for the car manufacturers to lower there prices on the luxury cars so that we can get those? No. Heck no. That's ludicrous. (By the way, your definition of what constitutes a "luxury" item was vastly incorrect, as already pointed out.)

    The bottom line:
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    <LI>If you think the price is outrageous, don't pay it.
    <LI>If you think the price is fair, but can't afford it, start saving your pennies or bartering services/goods.
    <LI>If you want to do it yourself, there are PLENTY of threads here with EXTREME detail on how to do it yourself. Use the search feature or start reading through the threads. It's that simple. Really.[/list]
    Bitching about prices and demanding that prices be lowered so that "it can be within the reach of anyone that shares the same love of the character that we do" reeks of socialism and turns my stomach. Instead of bitching, do something. Or ask for help instead of demanding it.

    And you still haven't answered the question about what you think "fair" prices are for the helmet and the paint job.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 8:18 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #59

    Thanks Wayne!

    I too am still waiting to hear on "Mr. Bish" as to what he thinks is a fair price as he has been asked.

    Lets talk a Vader helmet, if you took it to a autobody shop to do it, as some have, you will pay any where from &#36;100-&#36;300+ for it depending on your area and the body shop.

    Would they guilty of "ovecharging" you for painting your bucket, NO, because they will becharging you what it would be like to paint a car.

    Is that a fair price to paint a Vader bucket? HECK YES!! Black has got to be one of the most bitch colors to paint because if it is not done right, every little defect will show on it when finished.

    Sure you can do it yourself and have it come out great, but it still will take alot of work to do it right and if you take it to someone else to do it, you'll pay for it.

    Lynn



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    Sep 28, 2004, 8:44 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #60


    DarthBish wrote:

    I can't help but ask myself why some of these "fantabulous" fee-charging painters don't put up a few detailed tutorials saying what paint/colour/technique they use and how to achieve various effects??
    My friend, I give you one of the most comprehensive color list and technique threads on painting an ESB Boba helmet that is on this site:

    http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...c=6556&forum=2

    This is but one of the many tutorial threads on this site. Oh and Rogue Studios does paint helmets as well. Is it worth the price he charges for the paint job? Well, I have seen many people that have been his customers and no complaints as of yet.

    All you need to do is jump on the search feature of the site and look through the painting threads. THere is a wealth of tutorials on here.
    www.starwarshelmets.com has a pretty darned good one as well.
    I hope this helps you in your search Bish. Helping each other out is what it is all about on this board. Just don't begrudge the man/woman that charges for their time and services. If it is too expensive for you, don't buy it. If you can't do it yourself, give it your best shot till you can afford what you deem reasonable.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 8:51 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #61

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    And as for it's price....Well, licensing costs money dude, need I say more??
    That just drives my painting price point even more!! Thats all the more reason that justifies the prices of the fan bucket prices and painting cost because they are cheaper, in most cases, to get a fan bucket with pro paint job, and even cheaper if you do it yourself, verses a high collectable DLX Fett from DP or Rubies that is inferior.


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    Sep 28, 2004, 11:03 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #62

    Oh my god! It's been a long time since I posted here but DAMN, I just couldn't let this one go by!

    Darthbish, what you have said here (over and over again) is without doubt the biggest insult toward prop artists I've ever encountered since I joined the scene. I think your worst attacks are directed toward Lynn which by the way is a well respected prop builder/painter both here and over at the RPF.

    You clearly have no idea how much time, money and efforts that goes into the making and painting of an accurate ESB Boba helmet! Just like Lynn I have offered my building and painting services over the years, so far without any complaints. I ALWAYS go to extreme Lents to make sure my customers gets the most accurate and well made products available. That takes time! Just stop for a second and think what actually goes into making an ESB Boba!

    First you're sent a raw fiberglass helmet. This sucker needs to be cleaned, cut, filled and sanded. This is not something done in a flash! During this proses you're also working with materials that are VERY bad for your health.

    Then you need to research, collect images and carfully study them, make up plans how to tackle the project and so on. Do you think this is done over a night?

    Then comes masking, painting and weathering. Ask anyone who's made a screen accurate ESB helmet and they'll tell you what a cute little project that is!

    When I charge people for my service it's always based on how long time I think the project will take to finish. My last Boba helmet which I made for a friend as a trade for he's services took me more then a month to complete. Sure, I only worked on the evenings since I too have a daytime job. That was a month were I spent almost ALL my free time to make this bucket as good as I possible could. In fact it took so much work that I will never accept another ESB helmet. If I by any means should change my mind I would easily charge &#36;400 for the job. Why such a ridiculous high price? Course that's how much a month worth of my evenings costs! You actually think I (and other painters) are gonna give that to you for free just because you like Star Wars too!?

    Also, your whining about people not sharing their secrets are also complete BULL! "How to's" are all over the web but you actually have to make the effort to search for them, not everything gets served on a plate. I've put up "how to guides" for almost all my projects. I also spend countless of hours in front of my computer answering e-mails from people who ask for tips and help. I do that because I think it's fun to be able to help others who share my hobby.

    Here's the last Boba helmet I made:

    If you like it my tutorial it can be found here:
    http://www.starwarshelmets.com/

    If you don't think you're up to it send me a MSH helmet plus 400 bucks and I'll CONSIDER making it for you.

    Steve.


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    Sep 28, 2004, 11:39 AM - Re: Helmet Prices #63

    You said it Steve.

    Do us all a favor, try doing a helmet yourself, and then come over here and bitch about people's prices.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 1:24 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #64


    Geo wrote:

    Back to point/ original question asked...

    How much for a mystery helmet painted?...

    How much for unpainted?...

    Ballpark for the guys/gals, no rants.
    Last I knew an unpainted one goes between &#36;200-&#36;250.
    I paid &#36;200 for the I had 2 years ago.

    Lynn
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    Sep 28, 2004, 1:35 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #65

    Very good Steve!
    You hit the nail right on the head....

    Time is money, my time away from the family and shorter sleeping nights to get stuff done just dosn't happen for cheap, it ain't worth it.

    I miss doing the work for others because I love to hear how they love it when they get it and I enjoy helping people out, but I barley have time to do my own stuff anymore much less tackle on others work.

    Lynn
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    Sep 28, 2004, 1:52 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #66

    I paid &#36;400 for an ESB fiberglass, painted mystery something or other. That was maybe 4 months ago.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 6:26 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #67

    I think the bottom line should be that you can't put a price on someone ELSE'S time.

    None of those mentioned do these offers as a full-time job. While the prices may seem unreasonable to some, I'm sure the wives and significant others of those doing the painting (and other services) would put an even higher price on time spent away from family and other events.

    If the price is too high, shop around. You may find a cheaper price, you may even find a better paintjob. That simply means that THAT particular artist does not put as high a price on his/her evenings and weekends. It's not a fault, or a flaw in their thinking, per se, but a choice. It is THEIR choice as to the pricing, just as it is YOUR choice to agree to let them do the work.

    I would imagine that the busier an artist is, the higher the price of their free time. And there is no way in heck that the artist is going to lower that price simply by having others grumble about it. The artist would simply not offer their services to those doing the grumbling. I would think that the only reason for an artist to lower their price is if they receive enough negative feedback on the quality or time involved. (There it goes again: speed, quality, budget).

    I've enjoyed reading this thread, as it has given some insight to both sides of the arguments. My opinions are my own, of course.

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    Sep 28, 2004, 6:38 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #68

    Well said Batninja!

    Lynn
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    Sep 28, 2004, 6:41 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #69

    I just hope ALL of us keep up the real artistry, work and helpfullness and not let bitterness sway us from our dreams and helping each other out.

    Keep up the great work guys, what I have seen albeit affordable and unaffordable is inspiring!
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    Sep 28, 2004, 7:25 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #70

    I think it's a little funny how some people are sharing their feelings and thoughts but Bish has not come back in a while. I think we are all in agreement for the most part. That's pretty cool. I was waiting for this to get a little ugly and it really didn't. This may not mean much but I wanted to say thank you to all who posted and kept it civil and grown up. I work with a bunch of irresponsible, childish people. Coming here is a great change. So again, thank you.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 7:56 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #71

    Gee, TERRIBLY sorry Laan........It's a little thing called the international time line, and another little thing called sleeping.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 8:11 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #72

    lets make sure this stays civil fellas and within the ambit of the CoC

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    Sep 28, 2004, 8:17 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #73

    The fundamental point that I'm trying to make is that for any newbies out there, don't let some people here make you think that the only way you'll have a good suit is by forking out big bucks to "X" for "Y".
    Have a look at this http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...=10218&forum=2 I am completely STUNNED that the painter of this helmet would be embarrassed. It's beautiful, and yet he apologies for it's shortcomings.
    This is the mindset that worries me. "That something is not good enough because it hasn't been painted by a "professional"

    It seems to be quite difficult for some of you out there to accept that a person can have this opinion and HEAVEN help him/her if they express it.

    Laan, your last comment was obviously tainted with a certain "He must've gone into hiding" edge, and to be referred to as "insulting" by others, when I'm merely expressing an opinion is equally as rude.
    For a bunch of people, the majority of who seem to live in a land that supposedly upholds the value of "freedom of speech", you've certainly discouraged me from ever wanting to post again.




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    Sep 28, 2004, 9:04 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #74

    The Almighty says, "Quit stalling and answer the frickin' question!"

    Seriously Bish, how much would you charge for an accurate ESB paintjob on my MLC-1?

    If you're thinking <&#36;100 then you'll be a busy man from now on. If your only talking about &#36;25 or &#36;50,then I don't understand the indignation.
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    Sep 28, 2004, 10:29 PM - Re: Helmet Prices #75


    DarthBish wrote:

    I am completely STUNNED that the painter of this helmet would be embarrassed. It's beautiful, and yet he apologies for it's shortcomings.
    This is the mindset that worries me. "That something is not good enough because it hasn't been painted by a "professional"
    Actually I find the humility refreshing.

    I am by no means a professional but I think people appreciate mine and other peoples work none the less. The people on this board go above and beyond whats necessary to make Noobs (myself included)feel welcome and appreciated. I think Bish may have us confused with another forum.

    Thats just my 2 cents.




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