FP Helmet on EBay right now. Does anyone think it might be a recast?
FP Helmet on EBay right now. Does anyone think it might be a recast?
If its the white one where it doesn't say FP in the description but says "If you know this helmet then I've already said too much" then yes it is. It's a recast of the budget kit sold to ASOK I believe.
Looking at the guys name on ebay, he is a banned member here....he had Multiple accounts which he trolled many people and now it looks like hes recast a helmet his feedback says hes sold a few of them
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I informed FP and will be telling asok as he owns the mold...but hes saying theyre the real thing...
I believe another member posted pics of one bought from that guy and the structural weaknesses of his poor materials were VERY apparent. You could shine a light in the helmet and see thin spots. Not a good thing if you're planning on trooping with it and it takes a fall. Not to mention warping.
I am also aware and I don't think there is much I can do about it.
Asok, I think it sucks that people are selling very poor copies of your mold. I think the best we can do is to tell new members to stay away from eBay (other than MOW), hopefully people will listen.
This recasting sucks, i seen this on ebay yesterday and was very tempted to bit on it, just shows every member should consult this place before making silly mistakes
. great to see truth will always win out.
Did you buy one personally? You speak as if you are holding one of these helmets in your hands at the time of writing this post. Basically this entire thread is just saying recast sucks blah blah blah - kind of pointless and done to death. I did buy one of his/her helmets and it was pretty decent, perhaps their technique has improved thanks to critiques like yours? I also received the helmet in 2 weeks, unlike the usually 2 years some other 'sacred cow' sellers here.
Not supporting the recaster, but would rather buy off of him rather than the BS from the other a-holes who act as if they are doing their customers a huge favor buy selling to them. If the recaster is such a problem to them, then they should up their game a bit.
Welcome to TDH CarlJohnson. Hopefully you can turn this around
The simplest way I can describe it is this: recasting thing is about respect, or lack thereof.
Fettpride sculpted that helmet, made a mold, and sold the mold to Asok. Asok provides good quality helmets to people at a fair price.
To recast Asok's helmet is disrespectful to him.
I don't care a bit about any of the other grey-zone complaints people raise about LFL intellectual property, derivative work, etc... No matter what sort of words you want to use, it is disrespectful to Asok to copy something he makes without his permission.
I am really upset that you gave that sarcastic thumbs up, that is so against the rules of conduct in regards to respect. And then you allude to my surname as a penis, ouch! I won't be able to sleep after that clever jab.
I did read the rules and I don't think I broke them by questioning the authenticity of JodoKast's claim that the recast helmet was poor quality as if he had personally seen one.. Nor did I break them by buying a recast helmet. It seems that every forum like this has the same MO - say only what the others say and if you say anything to contradict that sentiment, then you get dogpiled. Seen it before, not interested. I was just giving my opinion and if it gets your panties in a twist, tough ***** for you as a 39 year old man.
Stormtrooperguy, yes, you are right, it was disrespectful to Asok if it even true - has anyone really proven this definitively? And no, FP didn't sculpt the helmet, he recasted a MR helmet with a few small mods. That is specifically mentioned in the rules of conduct, which seem to not apply to some.
Who was being sarcastic? I'm sure you will ingratiate yourself to the TDH community quickly.
Again Karl, welcome.
Please feel free to use the search function which may answer your questions.
Oh, Hey! Dinner and a show! (Hey, 1,000th POST!)
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CJ, way to introduce yourself to TDH. With that kind of attitude you will not make very many friends here.
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ok, putting on the mod hat for a moment. the op was simply asking about the possibility of a recast helmet found on ebay, this isn't a discourse about the pros and cons of recasting. now i'm as guilty as anyone of going off topic in this thread, but lets get back on the original topic, or at least keep it light.
Setting the record straight, again …
The helmet in question was in fact an MR Production Helmet, that 'I' purchased directly from MR when they were still doing business, and put a CONSIDERABLE amount of time and effort into attempting to correct the garbage mistakes that they made with it. It sat on a shelf for more than TWO YEARS, while everyone else and their mothers, exploited the very same helmet, while MR was still in business might I add. I decide, ‘AFTER’ MR went out of business to share the work that I put into it. My very first recast in 10 years. Wow? I’m SUCH a dirtbag, right ? Thinking that people might appreciate my interpretation of the helmet that had been sold to death by everyone else without a single modification, and most cases without even as little as a corrected visor pinch. I offered my interpretation of this helmet at a time that if you didn’t have your own interpretation of it, you were no longer a helmet maker, because sculpts and mystery helmets weren't going to cut it anymore. It was supposed to be THE definitive helmet. I offered my interpretation of it, and for some reason, people preferred it? Go figure? Yet some four years after the fact, I still get my balls broken for it. Again, go figure.
Before this, every other piece and component I’ve ever offered, including helmets, have either been my own sculpts, or purchased rights from private individuals. Always above board. when NO ONE ELSE was, or had ever been. Still seeing pitchforks raised at me some four years later is just ridiculous. I’m so damned tired of it. Get over it. I said it before, I wasn’t the first to recast it, and I certainly wasn’t the last. But I was certainly the ONLY one ever to be vilified for it.
In regards to the topic of this thread, hell yes I had a problem with it. Partly because it’s sad to see it exploited by some anonymous dirt bag. I sold the mold, of MY interpretation of the helmet, to Asok. Gray area or not, argue it amongst yourselves until you’re blue in the face, there was still hard work invested, MY investment. My purchase of $450 from MR, MY many hours of modifications, MY time and materials to make the mold. And it was passed on to someone that I made arrangements with to continue producing it. Therefore recasting it becomes a disrespect to Asok.
But that isn't event what pissed me off the most. Where I took the most offense was the fact that the re-caster kept the ‘FP’ seal on the front of the helmets and worded his auctions as if though HE were ME, or and agent of ME, tricking unsuspecting customers into thinking that they were buying directly from ME. Anyone would have taken issue with this if they were in my position. He eventually modified the wording of his auctions (still quite deceiving), but kept the FP seal. And yes, it still pisses me off. Does anyone here want to argue that they wouldn’t have felt the same?
CarlJohnson, - it sure does sound like you’re another sockpuppet for the ebay dude . But that’s up to the administration to sort out. If you’re not, you’re obviously just ‘another anti-fan’. If you are him, let’s get it right man. Maybe YOU should have gone out and spent $450 on your own helmet , invested some of your own man hours into conjuring up your own interpretation of the helmet, then spent a couple hundred bucks on making a ‘proper mold’, after having possibly first taken a few JC molding and casting courses before using the public at large as guinea pigs while you learn the trade. Recasting like this is still considered riding the backs of ‘others’, and their hard work. I generally don't talk trash about other members works, but those castings are down right embarrassing.
Lastly, cut out the shots about GMH’s still taking 2 years. It’s getting old. GMH back log’s have long since been tied up. And with only a handful of misc regular backorders left to be filled, I've practically returned to normal business. It was a bad chapter for everyone. Mistakes were made. Explanations and apologies have been given. It was a bad year and a half. Most everyone has moved on. It’s **** like this that has made me bitter enough to not want to spend any time here anymore.
Happy belated New Year, to all
Last edited by fettpride; Jan 3, 2013 at 2:45 AM.
While I totally understand where you are coming from Chris, and completel agree, why you would even bother going into that much detail towards someone with a post count of less than 10 is beyond me. Everyone whos been around here long enough knows the story, and everyone has moved on. We all understand the deal with recasters, and henceforth, is why we basically just ignore them. Not coming around here much anymore is your own choice, but it just seems the only time you do post anymore is either kinda angry or explaining yourself. I love all the hard work you do for the community, and I guess would simply love to just see you come back here again for the reason you started : for pure enjoyment of the hobby. Im having a lovely aged Tequila on the rocks at the minute mate, so ill give you a quick toast to finding your enjoyment for all things Fett again in 2013
I too have your back Chris. You did the work and when someone else tries to take credit for your efforts, you are well within your rights to get angry. The noob is probably bitter about buying a POS bucket and is trying to defend his purchase. If he would have done even a little research, he could have gotten a much better lid.
I know this is going off topic and probably beating a dead horse, but the whole GMH thing is in the past. Hopefully that whole experience as not fostered such bad feelings that you leave the board. Everyone here knows the work you put in and noobs like myself need people like you to provide the services that you provide as well as the knowledge of the hobby. All I ask is that you try to let bygones be bygones, come back to the boards more often and keep making kick ***** products. And to anyone that is still fuming over the GMH thing, get over it. Don't let something like that sour everyone's experience with this hobby.
And like Jayvee said have a drink, take a deep breath, and look towards a new year