Fett Helmet History

Well, here it is. Please note that this info is not written in stone. It is all the info we have researched and compiled TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. If you have extra info or see something that needs to be corrected/clarified, PLEASE let me know.

The original is far too large to post, so here is a link.

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/misc/...et_history.png

Amazing. Awesome work!

Thank you so much. This will make everything a lot simpler.
I realize that's a lot of work but I'm sure everyone will be very thankful.

Cool, I have always read bits and pieces of history, but never took the time to put the pieces together to become educated. This is awesome!

Oh, that's just phenomenal!! That's definitely getting saved as one of the most useful Fett resources out there.
Thanks for working that up!

Wicked! great work BB and fellow members that contributed...

You know what I have never understood. I hear it called 'cat eyes' all the time on the helmet. And to me, its not 'cat eyes' its 'eagle eyes'

The eyes are eagle shaped, and with the red on the helmet, looks exactly like a beak.

Just thought id throw that out there

Wow, fantastic detective work everyone!

I really want a t-shirt with all of this info on it.
Maybe an official TDH shirt with this chart on the back.
: )

You should make posters of that Art..lol

Originally Posted by Stormrider

You know what I have never understood. I hear it called 'cat eyes' all the time on the helmet. And to me, its not 'cat eyes' its 'eagle eyes'

The eyes are eagle shaped, and with the red on the helmet, looks exactly like a beak.

Just thought id throw that out there

I am RIGHT WITH YOU! I have always thought that the "Eyes" version of the helmet really looks like a screaming eagle or falcon.

Um, I was thinking instant Sticky, but that's just me. Mod's?

Hahaha... Maybe someday we could do a small poster run... something like an 18 X 24! There is more info I would like to get first and I'd really have to go back and try to get really good shots of each helmet.

Also, I know I probably sound like a broken record, but I just want to make sure that no one thinks I did all this research. This sheet is a compilation of the work of dozens of Fett fans and friends of TDH! I am afraid to start thanking people for fear of missing someone but I would like to acknowledge Tyler Durdern as I can't tell you how many nights he and I have sat up for hours and hours, with the phone in one hand, a mouse in the other (sometimes swapping out for a scotch or bourbon) and just bouncing ideas off each other, as we scoured 1000s of images trying to find connections.

Art, that is awesome! Thanks for taking the time to do this! Thanks also to everyone who has contributed hours and hours and hours of time scouring over pictures, casts, plugs and talking to people "who were there."

I agree that this would make a great poster! A t-shirt would be cool too.

I am afraid it would be so small on a shirt you wouldn't really be able to see anything clearly or read the text.

you're probably right there, I was thinking the same thing.

What if you take the text out and just leave the images of the helmets and the arrows?
TDH members would get it.
Or maybe just the names of the helmets.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

I am afraid it would be so small on a shirt you wouldn't really be able to see anything clearly or read the text.

I love the hero ESB Hero side......

Thanks for putting this together, really makes more sense over all. good stuff.

Very cool!

Oh if we do a shirt does it have a +25 Virginity (thought to be +10 cool) property?

Oh, ok.

I get it now!

...Finally! Lol!

Thanks everyone!

Truly awesome.

Very, very cool! Really makes a guy wonder where that lost PrePro1 has gotten to.

Great work and thanks for sharing this amazing info.

Originally Posted by Murphoid

Very, very cool! Really makes a guy wonder where that lost PrePro1 has gotten to.

I wonder that quite a bit... Did it become the ESB or PP3? Those are the only helmets it could have become because we know that it existed at the same time as the RotJ, Sandy, and PP2. If it did become the ESB or PP3, then there is another helmet out there that we don't know about and haven't seen. It it didn't (and I suspect it didn't and is still the "ears" helmet to this day), I really wonder where it is. The sad truth is, we just have no clue.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

If it did become the ESB or PP3, then there is another helmet out there that we don't know about and haven't seen. It it didn't (and I suspect it didn't and is still the "ears" helmet to this day), I really wonder where it is. The sad truth is, we just have no clue.

AHH HA!!!..I have always thought that.... good stuff.

Awesome work on the Fett family tree Art! Maybe I can send the high res file to my brother (501st member) in Illinois who works as a printer and he can make a few sample posters for us to review.

An absolutely STUNNING lineage & map of Fett helmet history Braks!!! Thank you so much for posting this up....hard to believe all this from one thread on the RPF so many years ago.

Again, thanks bud:thumbup

Now this finally clears up a whole lot of mis-understanding for me. thanks

Yes--Art--thanks for compiling this into an easy to follow graphic. Very interesting history.

Thanks a lot man. I may now be doing a PP3 instead of the PP2, since it's basically the same thing, with the ESB style paint job on the bucket. AWESOME!!

Fact of the matter is, the PP3 is the nicer of the two. I don't know if that is because the ESB took so much damage from handling (and now apparently) being recast, or what, but the PP3 is immaculate and probably one of the BEST preserved helmets.

Originally Posted by Banzai88

Yes--Art--thanks for compiling this into an easy to follow graphic. Very interesting history.

I am really hoping with a little more info and some comparisons, we can change where your helmet lies and can erase those question marks. At the moment, I tend to think it is most likely a casting of a stunt, but there is also the distint possibility that it is from the same molds as the stunts. Either way, super exciting stuff as we had never really even looked into the history of the stunts until your helmet came along. You made it possible for us to finally nail that whole section of the "family tree" down!

I feel the same. Also thanks for putting this together folks.

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You know what I have never understood. I hear it called 'cat eyes' all the time on the helmet. And to me, its not 'cat eyes' its 'eagle eyes'

The eyes are eagle shaped, and with the red on the helmet, looks exactly like a beak.

Just thought id throw that out there

I couldn't agree more Lee....considering the early art for the left shoulder bell clearly depicted a bird skull, I would think that the helmet also was intended along those lines of a "bird of prey"........

Ditto on the bird of prey stuff!!!!

Yeah, that history guide is really friggin cool!!!!! Thanx everybody that contributed, and thanx Braks for posting it!!
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What a neat read

To think it all started from 6 ,20+ years ago and how many thousands of helmets are out there.
As anyone done research on the history of Jangos helmet and design????
Was there any different "looks"/color scheme for his armor?
Thank you again for all the hard work in putting this history together.

Wow! Thats so cool! I really enjoyed reading that and seeing how the helms changed and what not. Thanks a lot guys for putting that together, that really helps me out! Does anyone know why some versions are wider than others???

"we are not worthy, we are not worthy!"

Hey Art,

The "Ye Olde Prop Rumor Mill" urban legend is that the Jango bucket was cast/scanned from a Boba Helmet in the archives.

If true, where would the Jango helmet fit in the helmet lineage? Any leads on which helmet spawned it?

Thanks,
OSK

Originally Posted by obi sean kenobi

Hey Art,

The "Ye Olde Prop Rumor Mill" urban legend is that the Jango bucket was cast/scanned from a Boba Helmet in the archives.

If true, where would the Jango helmet fit in the helmet lineage? Any leads on which helmet spawned it?

Thanks,
OSK

It is not true. I recently interviewed the person who sculpted the Jango helmet. They did reference a real helmet but he asserts that there was no casting at all involved which would put the Jango helmet completely outside of the Boba line. I am working on a second set of interview questions and plan to post the complete q & a when we are done.

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

Funny you should mention that...

Pics coming soon...

Well now, this should be interesting... Do you have conflicting info?

No...just saying I have a screen cast Jango helmet...Banzai has his helmet...so yesterday we did some comparison photos. Just waiting for Banzai to post them...

It was just funny OSK asked that because Banzai had planned to post them in this thread today.

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

No...just saying I have a screen cast Jango helmet...Banzai has his helmet...so yesterday we did some comparison photos. Just waiting for Banzai to post them...

It was just funny OSK asked that because Banzai had planned to post them in this thread today.

Sweet, can't wait..

VERY cool! Looking forward to seeing them! Perhaps when I come out in a month or so we can compare yours to Banzai's to the PP2. Should make for some great history!

sweet!

Looks like he posted them in his helmet thread. Here is the link to the album though where they are posted: http://picasaweb.google.com/Banzai88...ey=RrLTG1tC-Ag

That's awsome!!! Thank's BB Totally interesting

This looks awesome.... but, am I the only person who can't read it? I even tried saving it and increasing the size in my picture viewer. I can make out some of the spots with little text, but the areas with more text are just a blur. I don't think it's my monitor either, because we have a fairly new and fairly nice one here. Great job though. At least I can follow the pictures and the arrows.

Gypsyboy, Are you trying to enlarge the picture posted here, or the pic from the link just above the picture? As Brak's said, the original is way too large to be posted here, and he provided a link to the original, and posted a smaller version to tease us all.. Great work you guys! This'll make one FINE ´poster. Although, I hope you don't get mad at me for pointing out this, there is a small typo on the image. Just above the 'Lava' helmet, the description states helemt.. But, still, this work needs no critisizing, it is truly an art to behold..
Thanks, Ville

Doh! Nope. Not mad at you. Thanks for pointing it out! Will get it fixed later tonight!

Ok, so if there were originally six helmets, does that meant there was originally 6 sets of armour?????

There were six original suits, and I think it is reasonable to assume each suit had a complete set of armor.

Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

There were six original suits, and I think it is reasonable to assume each suit had a complete set of armor.

From talking with one of the archivist in charge of the boba suit at C4 she admitted to enough pieces to make 3 complete suits thought there were left over incomplete sets of armor. So I believe this to be true as well. Se described it as a crate full of armor pieces but didn't recall the number of each incomplete set.

But I would say 2 suits worth in the crate as the prepro armor walked away... since the ESB jet pack is in the archives (also confirmed this with her and another person) I would say one of the incomplete sets could be esb... but that may be wishful thinking. Sadly the JP is in a million peices though.

Guys this is very cool. Thanks to everyone that contributed to the information and the graphic.

What is known about the original helmet sculpt? Who made it? What happened to it? How many molds were made from the original sculpt? Were each of the six original white helmets pulled from the same mold?

And to complete the "family tree", would it be bennifficial to show a graphic representation of the sculpt at the top of the page with arrows to each of the white helmets?

What is known about the original helmet sculpt?
Not much.

Who made it?
Not 100% sure.

What happened to it?
Don't know.

How many molds were made from the original sculpt?
Based on the info we have, this is most likely the case, especially considering the low number of helmets.

Were each of the six original white helmets pulled from the same mold?
Again, we believe this to be the case.

And to complete the "family tree", would it be bennifficial to show a graphic representation of the sculpt at the top of the page with arrows to each of the white helmets?
If we had a pic of the original sculpt...

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

What is known about the original helmet sculpt?
Not much.



And to complete the "family tree", would it be bennifficial to show a graphic representation of the sculpt at the top of the page with arrows to each of the white helmets?
If we had a pic of the original sculpt...

Maybe just a picture of a lump of clay ?

Great questions Gator and helpful answers Braks!

How about the history behind the Bobamaker helmet line ? I didnt see a wavy brow at all in those shots.. i could have missed it though

Glad to see this; it's been a long time coming.

Love the lineage discussion. It's the single most interesting subject regarding Fett.

I would clarify which Don Post is pictured in the lineage with a disclaimer that the '95 suffered further shrinking. Looks like the helmet off the lifesize display, though I think some of the later Deluxes had the same look to it.

Great discussion.

Originally Posted by Rokeim

How about the history behind the Bobamaker helmet line ? I didnt see a wavy brow at all in those shots.. i could have missed it though

I was always under the impression that the bobamaker helmet was a mysteryhelmet variant like the Marrow Sun or Sgt Fang but I don't think that has ever been confirmed.

I'm also certain that BobaMaker sculpted the perceived "wave" into the helmet.

Originally Posted by shortimer52

We thank thee, oh Brak-Dent!

Haven't thought about that in a while!

really interesting, cheers for the work.

Cool image Art! Man... you've got a lot of time on your hands out in that desert huh?

Originally Posted by never_ending_fett

Maybe just a picture of a lump of clay ?

Nice one.

Thanks for the answers Art.

While you may not be 100% sure, who is the likely suspect?

Originally Posted by Gator Fett

Nice one.

Thanks for the answers Art.

While you may not be 100% sure, who is the likely suspect?

We are actually in talks right now with several people who were involved in the original project, trying to get that nailed down. Trust me, when we do, you will know.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

Haven't thought about that in a while!

Figured you would get a kick out of it

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

We are actually in talks right now with several people who were involved in the original project, trying to get that nailed down. Trust me, when we do, you will know.

Cool. 8)

Can i say to words?







1.- Thanks





2.- Amazing !!!




Alfredo

I was thinking about doing a poster for myself..


but then i though....


You deserve it because all your work...why dont you make posters and sell them?


Regards

Alfredo

This really helps to simplify all the terms and differents helmets. Great job !!

Joe Johnston painted the ''Eyes'' and then this helmet is unaccounted for... could it be that this helmet was repainted as the PP3 ?? They sure look similar to themselves but different from all the others... That would also explain why the ''Eyes'' helmet is nowhere to be found. Any thoughts?

sounds like a good theory. That would leave one of the original white helmets unaccounted for though, not shooting down your idea at all though, as it is a very good idea, just something to think about.

Wow, what an awesome family tree. Amazing detective work you guys.

Great work guys! It's nice to see this all layed out. Anxiously awaiting even more info.

So, what is the story of the Banzai helmet then? Which helmet is that in primer stage?

Best we can tell at this point is that the Banzai is related to the stunts and the ESB hero. I can't say anything beyond that for certain, but even that is a pretty huge deal.

You are a lucky man (and probably broke with that helmet purchase) Banzai!!!


Great find, wherever you found it! Thanks for sharing

Geo

Has it ever been determined why the helmet and/or armor was changed between ESB and RotJ? I've always wondered why that was done.

I don't think anyone knows for sure. There have always been rumors that the ESB suit was stolen, but in the past few years we have come to believe that the PP2 suit was originally slated to be the suit used in ESB and from all appearances it was stolen (at least the helmet and jet pack for sure). Also, there are indications that at least some of the ESB pieces were repainted RotJ colors, but we don't know why.

That is really sweet stuff man!!!!

Originally Posted by KaanE

Can we make another search thread about the armors? Or isn't necessary because we don't know too many things?

Tyler and I have been working on it, but right now we don't know nearly enough to make anything close to the helmet history layout.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

Tyler and I have been working on it, but right now we don't know nearly enough to make anything close to the helmet history layout.

Well, If I can help with something, please, let me know. And oh! I love the "Helmet History"

Does anyone have an updated larger picture of this so I can read what the words are?

Boba Fett Helmet History

Second to none my friend. :thumbup

What I want to know is...how many members have one of each helmet.

This is really awesome, Art! It would make a pretty sweet poster!!

Kody

I started on a poster sized image, but have just been too busy to finish it up. Maybe some day...

Awesome information!

Wow. I am realizing I know nothing.

wow that's pretty cool...lots i didn't know!

Would love to see this thread as a sticky - perhaps include it in a one stop sticky for those searching for helmet info (I had seen this thread once before and had been searching every now and again since).

Well, sign me up when its ready for print. For it is so very awesome, that I now have a tan just from basking in its glow of awesome, awesomy-ness.


............AWESOME! :P

Originally Posted by ART ANDREWS

I started on a poster sized image, but have just been too busy to finish it up. Maybe some day...

will some body post a helmate template, im in need of 1.

Without going into a whole huge story of everything, I will try and explain. The mystery helmet was based off one of the pre pro or production helmets, if I am not mistaken(forgive me, it has been forever since I recalled the history). So Sarges mystery is gonna be very close to the accurate size. The rubies helmet, a gawdawful helmet, is in no way an accurate helmet in size. I own quite a few helmets, one being a Don post, a SGT Fang, MLC and a Boba Maker.

The SGT fang is bigger than the rubies. Rubies is actually a shrunken down helmet. So, if you got a SGT Fang, you got one fine helmet. I don't have any exact measurements, I think TK409s site may have some more info on that.

this looks awsome

Originally Posted by Art Andrews

I started on a poster sized image, but have just been too busy to finish it up. Maybe some day...

Could someone aid you in this venture Art?
To maybe relieve some of the workload to get these posters off the ground? are there any guys capable of printing on this board?

I didnt know there was such history and drama behind the fett helmet