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    Aug 5, 2011, 5:28 AM - ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #1

    Greetings crew. I know there have been some discussions before, but thought for anyone interested, seeing as I am looking to do an ESB paint up of the screen displayed helmet, and not with the extra nicks and damage of the AOSW helmet, to document the areas that are differrent, and for anyone keen to add some input. These yellow highlighted areas are some main things I see as differrent, and there are the obvious black scuff marks not present on the screen used lid. I am also interested to see what people think of the orangy/rusty scuff marks mainly on the back of the AOSW helmet. There aren't that many hi-res close ups of the back of the screen helmet, but from what I can tell, they dont seem present on the screen one.

    my ideas so far (please feel free to add or dispute - they are not set in stone, only what I see) :

    Numbers as on photos (refferred to as left and right as if you were WEARING the helmet) :
    1. White scuff marks near dent not on ESB Screen
    2. Upper left mandible extra silver damage spot not on ESB Screen
    3. no 'line scratch' on ESB Screen
    4. ESB Screen has less silver damage in left mandible corner
    5. No 'little curl scratch' on esb Screen helmet on left mandible
    6. No silver long scratch on left upper cheek on ESB Screen
    7. No 'F' Looking scratch on esb screen lid
    8. Extra scratch on left lower cheek on AOSW Lid
    9. Extra silver spot of damage on lower left mandible on AOSW lid
    10. No white paint splocth on right upper cheek on ESB screen helmet
    11. No obvious black scuff marks on ESB Screen lid
    12. no crack/fix on left mandible under front killstripes on ESB Screen
    13. Possibly no orange/rust damage mainly on back on ESB Screen?
    14. UPDATE 6/8/2011 - "T" and circle decal fully intact on rangefinder ear on ESB Screen. AOSW it has almost worn away. (thanks to SuperJedi and Fett4Real for pointing that one out. )
    15. UPDATE 6/8/2011 (NOT YET ADDED TO PICTURE) - On the AOSW Lid, in between the silver damage spots that are on the right upper cheek and continue to the lower cheek, and the yellow #10 circle on the picture, there is an extra silver line scrape that does not appear on the ESB Screen lid. (thanks again to Fett4Real for that one)
    16. No blue marker marks on ESB Screen lid (a pretty obvious one..)

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    Last edited by Jayvee; Aug 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM.
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    Aug 5, 2011, 5:53 AM - Re: Definitive ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #2

    In ESB most of what you said is true....in ROTJ for the SE guys its not. All that stuff was there from what Ive seen of the SE pics and such
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    Aug 5, 2011, 5:54 AM - Re: Definitive ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #3

    I think that rust stuff is really rust also
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    Aug 5, 2011, 7:23 AM - Re: Definitive ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #4

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    In ESB most of what you said is true....in ROTJ for the SE guys its not. All that stuff was there from what Ive seen of the SE pics and such
    For sure mate, but this is probably a good time to clarify that one thing I do want to get across, was that the idea behind starting this thread, was to simply highlight the differences seen in the AOSW helmet (which will generally be very close to the SE version, if not almost exact), VS the helmet seen in the Empire Strikes back movie. It wasnt designed to spark a debate about what people do or don't consider the 'DEFINITIVE' esb Helmet, simply to point out what we do know - that yes, its the same helmet, but there ARE subtle differences due to mishandling, age, neglect etc between the two. And I just thought compiling a list, may give people that do want to do the ESB movie version as accurate to that time frame as possible, some solid guidelines to follow, while possibly helping to educate some people who may be new to the idea, or simply weren't aware. It also seems more common that people recreate the AOSW lid, particularly as there are more and better reference pics, but there may be some who want to enjoy the challenge of doing the Screen used paint up, and with far less reference and evidence, every bit of info we can get together helps. So enjoy people, and please feel free to include input! Peace
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    Aug 5, 2011, 11:11 AM - Re: Definitive ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #5

    I agree with you for sure, like it seems the repairs may have been made to the brow durring or before filming? There may or may not have been a crack on the right cheek area, I say there isnt video capture but some people claim they can see it.
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    Aug 6, 2011, 2:26 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #6

    true mate, those two you mention are very tough to pinpoint, although I know Spideyfett put some good examples of repairs which likely give evidence that the wavy brow IS actually there, and not just an optical illusion. I personally believe the wavy brow is present, and I think his pictues definately at least show there was work done to the area. Exactly how much of a wave, is going to be difficult to nail down. The right cheek crack - at first, I thought it was AOSW only, but on examining photos, there are some angles where it appears that it could indeed have been present in the movie. With both of these, i will wait to see if we get any more opinions, and will make neccessary addittions to the list based on what the majority think..
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    Aug 6, 2011, 8:50 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #7

    To add to the list:
    Screen used RF upper ear has little "T" marking under the big black arch. It's pretty much worn away on the AOSW helmet.
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    Aug 6, 2011, 8:55 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #8

    Yeh and the circle above the T is intact in the film as well like on the PP3
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    Aug 6, 2011, 9:39 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #9

    spot on fellas, thanks for that. will update the list..
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    Aug 6, 2011, 9:48 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #10

    net to #10 the blotch of silver on screen theres no curved line if u look at the two pics...the scratched off area is black on screen
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    Aug 6, 2011, 10:30 AM - Re: ESB Screen vs. AOSW helmet differences #11

    Quote Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    net to #10 the blotch of silver on screen theres no curved line if u look at the two pics...the scratched off area is black on screen
    Very good eye mate, that one I actually hadnt noticed. props to ya bud. Im imagining I don't really have to mention the blue marker, as its so obvious, and it seems most dont include it, even on AOSW paint-ups, likely as it just looks a little ugly. Ill add it to the list, but again, a pretty obvious one..

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