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An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ! Another Photo Found! 02-18-03

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    An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ! Another Photo Found! 02-18-03

    While browsing through some Fett pics for comparative purposes, I noticed something that I had previously overlooked. Check out this still from Chronicles:

    fett-barge-chrn-jpg

    Now at first, I thought what I was seeing was simply an ROTJ stunt helmet, which is still an exciting find for me. However while comparing the weathering marks, I noticed an ESB white "decal" (decal not necessarily meaning sticker) on the left ear-piece. Also note the helmet "stripes" are yellow. And the weathering on the helmet matches an ESB helmet. Soooo there ya have it folks!

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    -edited to update image

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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    Hey Tyler amazing find. Can we see the entire still to get an idea of which part of the film to look for it.

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    That's where Boba is jumping off the sail barge...I'm not sure you see that exact shot in the movie or not (someone has my movies at the moment ).

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    Well it's clear Boba wanted to die with his best looking helmet on, so he switched real quick.

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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    OOOOOOOH! Tk-Fett and I were chatting a little on this topic. TK brought up a good point.....can Team ROTJ claim this helmet as theirs now?

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    That's exactly what I am going to check when I get the ROTJ dvd in. Max is right on. It's the still in Chronicles when he ready to jump off the barge. I'm curious to see if it pops up again anywhere in that scene.


    MaxPlague wrote:

    That's where Boba is jumping off the sail barge...I'm not sure you see that exact shot in the movie or not (someone has my movies at the moment ).
    The detail isn't very visible, but this helmet might also be an ESB-styled helmet.

    fett-ex-skiff-jpg

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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    SWEET PICTURE!

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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    Tyler, fantastic find! However, I wanted to point out a few things... First, that picture is not in the movie. Perhaps it was an early idea for having JB run across the deck of the Sail Barge to take off whereas in the final cut we seem him take a few steps and then the Jet Pack ignites. Second, after checking out a number of clips of that scene, I can't see the ESB helmet anywhere although at times it is too blurry to see. However, I don't think the ESB was seen in RotJ until the SE. Still a fantastic find although you have to ask yourself why such a devout ESb fan was looking at RotJ refs....

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    Maybe it's from a stunt-shot when he crahes into the sailbarge?

    Just an idea..

    -Mikael

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    Since I don't have a copy of the Chronicles (yet), what year was it printed (before or after the Special Editions)? If it was after, then this is my theory. As most of us know, the ESB helmet was used in the added scenes of Fett. I suspect that this was possibly a shot from a scene they were going to add to RotJ/SE, but ended up on the cutting room floor. As BB noted, there is no conclusive shots in the original RotJ of the ESB helmet.

    By the way Tyler, nice find! Who wants to make a nice, hi-res, 8x10 photo paper copy of it for me?

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    Hey man, I'm thinking that might be a stunt suit after all. Look at the left gauntlet, looks kinda funny to me. Also, he seems to be missing the cloth belt pouch on that same side. Does anything else seem off?

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    .... You ROTJ party poopers!

    I just got the DVD's in today, and I'll have a peek myself. Though I am not expecting to see the helmet in the film, anyway.

    Funny you should mention that point about the Chronicles book, BF. I was wondering when it was published for a slightly different, though related, reason. While gathering more information about the "additional weathering" on the AOSW -believed ESB Hero- helmet, notice the page that has Fett in a close up from the Executor bridge and two shots of the helmet on a pole to the right. Well, the two helmets in those photos are the same hero helmet, except that the helmet on the pole has the added weathering to the hero. My best explanation is that the scratches were added for the SE. So would that mean the photo is from the SE, meaning that there could possibily be SE content in the Chronicles book?

    About the suit, you can see the left gauntlet practically half-open. And if I am seeing the picture correctly, is there a button closure on the visible ammo pouch? Didn't the SE suit have the ammo belt with the button closures, ala ESB?
    The helmet is not the SE/ESB hero, though it could very well just be a stunt ESB.

    And as much as it pains me and makes my eyes bleed to see ROTJ stills, I have to remember that ESB can learn from ROTJ, and ROTJ can learn from ESB. We're all chasing the same character. I just can't help it if your suit is butt-ugly.

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    I've got Chronicles at home . . . I'll check the publish date on it when I get back if no one else chimes in before then.

    It would be ABOUT the time of the SE's but . . . just going from memory, I don't RECALL there being any SE content in it, but, it has been awhile since i've looked through it.

    Jer

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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    The Japanese version of the SW Chronicals was published in 1995 and the USA version was done 3-4 years later however.
    There is no SE stuff in the Chronicals book.
    Both books contents are identical except that one is in Japanese and the covers are different.
    The Japenese version also cost $325 where the USA version cost $150.

    I have both versions, I first bought the Japanese version, then I got the USA version so I could read it.
    Lynn

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    micke wrote:

    Maybe it's from a stunt-shot when he crahes into the sailbarge?
    Just an idea..
    -Mikael
    Mikael,
    You are right on. When they built the barge the only finished one side. If you look at the still he is heading towards the barge not away, and is standing on a spring board. This picture is most likely the stuntman jumping into the barge.
    Mike

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    MaxPlague wrote:

    Hey man, I'm thinking that might be a stunt suit after all. Look at the left gauntlet, looks kinda funny to me. Also, he seems to be missing the cloth belt pouch on that same side. Does anything else seem off?
    Yeah, the jet pack looks funny.

    Either, it's rubber, and wobbling forward...or a cut + paste altogether. Too cropped and faded looking.

    I think it's a stunt, also.

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    Are there any other Fett pics like that in yer chronicles book?

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    I just watched ROTJ again, and still-framed the "bounce" scene. Definitely looks like the ESB helmet, and the pack is rubber. Everything falls apart when he hits the barge. Looked like he could have been hurt by the rocket hitting him in the back of the head, too.


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    Rodann, I have to agree with you. After watching the "take-off" from the barge scene to the "land on the skiff" scene, before the Luke cutaway, I believe it is an ESB helmet. And you can see that same rubbery, crooked-ass tip on backback that is in the Chronicles book.


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    The real question here is....

    if Boba's jet pack was rubber, why did it ignite??!?!

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    Your right! A rubber jet pack could never ignite!!!

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    bfett81 wrote:

    The real question here is....

    if Boba's jet pack was rubber, why did it ignite??!?!
    It DIDN'T ignite. Watch it again, frame-by-frame. The "ignition" was animated. Poorly, I might add.


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    Re: An ESB Helmet...in ROTJ!

    Did they have any stunt helmets for the ROTJ helmet?
    I've only seen 1 stunt helmet and that's the one in the Lucasfilm archives book. Perhaps they just decided to use that one. people don't really notice it's brief appearance anyway..Except for us geeks

    The Jet Pack is in Steve Sansweet's possession i believe. I recall some photos on his site and the text stated it was a stunt version..I'll check it out.
    The ignition was animated on i think.

    -Mikael

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    which ignition are you talking about being an animation? In the bucket head it shows fett attached to a cable and a small explosion takes place and they lift him via cable. Also, notice his right gaunt his just tape up with electrical tape. Either this was right before a unused stunt, or it's just a last minute publicity shot before they took off the gear.

    Check out the pic of him hitting the skiff. His rocket is bent beside his helmet.

    I love that pic too. I was thinking, we weather our gloves by leaving them in the sun. You guys think the ESB gloves weren't stolen with the suit and they just faded in Yuma? Random thought..

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