Converting the GMH to an ESB AOSW...

**Spideyfett** · 07-30-2011, 09:40 PM

Was asked recently if I still painted Fett helmets… it is rare, but yes.

So I decided to take one more project when I was asked to see if I could convert a GMH to an AOSW ESB hero helmet. Most “Fett aficionados” would think that was blasphemy, to take a real casting from a real Pre-production Fett helmet and change it into a completely different version. But the thought was that the GMH IS a real Fett helmet, so “size wise” it is considered spot on.

Those that have the GMH and a MR or a MR FP know that it is significantly smaller than both helmets and narrower. It also has a very significant shape that makes it the PP2 helmet. So I hope to show how it can be converted... and maybe help those better understand the differences between the helmets... probably won’t post step by step painting, but more so the finished product.

**So PLEASE post any thoughts/pics on what needs to be the next step once each step is completed… Thanks

Step #1, THE BASICS: Cutting the Visor, Ear-install, Key Holes… otherwise known as, “Prep”.

**Spideyfett** · 07-30-2011, 09:45 PM

...Visor cut and Ears attached...still has the PP2 scratches.

**Scott Kaufmann** · 07-30-2011, 11:00 PM

That is some crisp and clean prep work. I'll go ahead and apologize for those key slots.

**AFettFullofDollars** · 07-31-2011, 05:50 AM

Are you gonna 'wonk' the visor?

**superjedi** · 07-31-2011, 05:50 AM

Sweet! A Spidey thread. It's been too long, Alex!

What are your plans for the physical damage on the helmet?

Oh, and just slightly off-topic, how well does that "pistol" style Dremel tool work? I was thinking about picking one up a while back.

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by AFettFullofDollars

Are you gonna 'wonk' the visor?

Hey Paul, long time no post.. and yes I had plans to, can't remember if there are any good pics of that?

Originally Posted by superjedi

Sweet! A Spidey thread. It's been too long, Alex!

What are your plans for the physical damage on the helmet?

Oh, and just slightly off-topic, how well does that "pistol" style Dremel tool work? I was thinking about picking one up a while back.

Thanks Eric, I will prob bondo it up today to fill in all the PP2 style damage... The Visor, as AFFO$ pointed out, is the issue. I'm sure you know but the mandibles (mid visor section) on this cast "taper" in at the top and the bottom, whereas the ESB flare out... so I was thinking of heating up the mandibles and slowly bending them out a tad.

And yes, the pistol Dremel is a gift from heaven!!!

**Fett 4 Real** · 07-31-2011, 06:47 AM

I know this guy who filled the scratches and nicks in and did the same thing...I think its gonna turn out really good. Without much work besides filling and adding new damage

**AFettFullofDollars** · 07-31-2011, 07:00 AM

This is gonna be SWEET!!!

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

I know this guy who filled the scratches and nicks in and did the same thing...I think its gonna turn out really good. Without much work besides filling and adding new damage

Well I wanna make it AOSW.. so once I fill in the scratches, still need to add some for ESB. And as AOSW will prob put the crack and the "wavy brow" too.

**slave1pilot** · 07-31-2011, 10:05 AM

Nice work Alex.
i think I'll be converting my GMH over to ROTJ, so I'll be doing some filling myself.

**Fett 4 Real** · 07-31-2011, 10:26 AM

wavy brow oh gosh here we go

**clonecollector** · 07-31-2011, 10:31 AM

I think it would be nice to see this as an ESB next to a MR or MR FP. I'd like to see the size difference and I'm sure others would too. It might help people decide which will be a better fit for them.

**Fett 4 Real** · 07-31-2011, 10:33 AM

Slave1pilot has put them side by side bud its not a HUGE difference, theyre close just different

**fettpride** · 07-31-2011, 02:15 PM

Great start Alex. I can't wait to see where you take this !

In regard to the GMH and it's "significant" size difference" , I do want
to make sure there is some clarity there so no one is inadvertently
mislead.

There is indeed a size difference between it and other helmets.
But this should not be misconstrued as a "bad" thing. Statements like
this can be turned around and exploited by others. It does make
some difference of course in choosing a helmet that is right for "you"
when considering wearing and trooping, but I don't want to have this
accidentally snowball into a new written "commandment" up here that
it's size difference exists for any other reason than the fact that the
"REAL" helmet is smaller than people have always thought. It's very
important to me, as well as others, that nothing be detracted from the
fact that the GMH IS an ILM helmet, not a fan sculpt, or dodgy
3D scan. It has been calculated to a concise 3% smaller than it's ILM mother
master helmet. This is considered "negligible", and quite simply, astounding.

Also, let's not forget that EVERY helmet version started life from the same
mold. The only differences between any ILM helmet, are differences that
are side effects from trimming and assembly, filming / handling and neglect.
"Converting" a GMH to an ESB helmet, isn't implying that it is a different
helmet from any other. The ESB Hero was broken and repaired at least twice
that we know of during filming, and was mistreated in the archives for years.
Effectively changing it's over all appearance compared to any other helmet.
"Converting" a GMH (with the exception of filling in Pre-Pro scratches) refers
to mimicking some of that neglect. As has been done my myself, and other
makers throughout the years in our own fan pieces.

No nit picking or anything. And I certainly don't want to derail a great new
progress thread. Just making sure anyone that might be new here, is well
informed

The following is a statement I made in other threads that highlights the
differences between some of the known helmets. I will continue to copy
and paste it whenever I feel clarification may be neccesary

Originally Posted by fettpride

With regard to the GMH, there is a distinct size difference between it, and other known helmets.
Those that I have any knowledge or authority in :

"The Mystery Helmet" (MH) :

In most respects, The GMH is "different" from a Mystery Helmet. Meaning, larger in some areas, smaller in others. The reason is quite clear. The Mystery Helmet is still a bastardized idealistic interpretation by Don Post Studio's, half way between the real Pre-Pro 2 helmet, and the DP Deluxe. What that company did to it is shameful from the perspective of a preservationist. It shouldn't even be debatable.

"Movie Sized Helmet v.1 / v.2" , Fettpride Helmet (FPH) :

The GMH is smaller than an FPH, an original MSH or MSH2 for one very simple good reason. They were fan sculpts based on an idealized vision. A mere interpretation. And partially due to misinformation given us in 2003 about the size of the real helmet given by a so called "authority" on the matter as well as some mis interpreted laser measurements.

"Master Replica Helmets (MR) :

The GMH is smaller than the MR genre because Master Replica's "upsized" the helmet after their digital scan. Some reports said up to 12%. This was in consideration and anticipation of the manufacturing process and
shrinkage". Unfortunately, whatever number they started with, it was too much, as the MR series has been measured out to about 7% larger than an original ILM helmet after manufacturing, production, and recasting.

Fact : Screen accurate Boba Fett Costume components are MUCH smaller than anyone gives credit. Maybe it's because we want to believe different, or because we ALL want to fit in the suit. The truth is, only a fraction of us could actually pull off the suit. Remember how much "beefier" Don Bies looked in the suit compared to the ESB actors in the pic up shots of SE ? Has anyone met Don Bies? He's not a big guy by any stretch. Though, like me, he has broadened over the years lol And let us not forget, that Jeremy Bulloch, although actually standing 5 ft. 10, was only approximately 145 lbs during filming of ESB.

Best,

Chris

**HeadlessHunter** · 07-31-2011, 03:42 PM

I dont think its blasphemy at all, in fact when I get mine I'll be doing the exact same thing

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

wavy brow oh gosh here we go

ha ha, I knew you would like that comment..

Originally Posted by clonecollector

I think it would be nice to see this as an ESB next to a MR or MR FP. I'd like to see the size difference and I'm sure others would too. It might help people decide which will be a better fit for them.

I'll take some shots and post them up, no prob.

Originally Posted by fettpride

Great start Alex. I can't wait to see where you take this !

It does make
some difference of course in choosing a helmet that is right for "you"
when considering wearing and trooping, but I don't want to have this
accidentally snowball into a new written "commandment" up here that
it's size difference exists for any other reason than the fact that the
"REAL" helmet is smaller than people have always thought. It's very
important to me, as well as others, that nothing be detracted from the
fact that the GMH IS an ILM helmet, not a fan sculpt, or dodgy
3D scan.

Also, let's not forget that EVERY helmet version started life from the same
mold. The only differences between any ILM helmet, are differences that
are side effects from trimming and assembly, filming / handling and neglect.
"Converting" a GMH to an ESB helmet, isn't implying that it is a different
helmet from any other. The ESB Hero was broken and repaired at least twice
that we know of during filming, and was mistreated in the archives for years.Effectively changing it's over all appearance compared to any other helmet.
"Converting" a GMH (with the exception of filling in Pre-Pro scratches) refers
to mimicking some of that neglect. As has been done my myself, and other
makers throughout the years in our own fan pieces.

Best,

Chris

Very well put FP... 100% agree.

I was extremely surprised once I made the ness modifications on how much the helmet started to look like what we all know as the "hero ESB"... just kinda did it on its own.

UPDATE NEXT

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 04:51 PM

Here are some updated pics:

Applied the bondo to fill in the PP2 scratches.
Heated and bent out the right inner upper mandile and the lower bottom left.. just a tad.
And of course added the "wavy brow" by using a piece of the fiberglass cut-out from the visor, then bondo and sanded.

More Updates Next....

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 05:23 PM

Ears added, and the "ESB AOSW Scratches", almost ready to paint...

Enjoy and please critique it... I can still make changes...Thanks.

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**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by clonecollector

I think it would be nice to see this as an ESB next to a MR or MR FP. I'd like to see the size difference and I'm sure others would too. It might help people decide which will be a better fit for them.

Here you go.. added one with an FPH..

**DarthMiller** · 07-31-2011, 06:41 PM

Saw this bad boy in person today.....nice work so far Alex.

**deadland** · 07-31-2011, 07:03 PM

Wow Alex that is just gorgeous I can't wait to see this bad boy all painted up love all the damage that has been removed and re-added wavy brow and the crack!!!!! A true master at work.

**kbrosseau** · 07-31-2011, 07:34 PM

Getting the right idea. My critique is its too exaggerated. Check out all those lovely C4 pictures and reduce the severity would be my advice. Cant wait to see this progress. I was really very tempted to do my GMH as an ESB.

**Spideyfett** · 07-31-2011, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by kbrosseau

Getting the right idea. My critique is its too exaggerated. Check out all those lovely C4 pictures and reduce the severity would be my advice. Cant wait to see this progress. I was really very tempted to do my GMH as an ESB.

Agreed.. those C4 pics put it all in perspective, I would say "Less is more"... Thanks K.

**RafalFett** · 08-01-2011, 12:21 AM

Finally, a GMH to ESB helmet. Looking great so far. Can't wait to see this helmet done.

By the way, nice avatar.

**BGHunter** · 08-01-2011, 12:52 AM

Now place it on it side and step on it, (in order to add the cracks) and your good to paint,
but seriously will you add a fouve crack on the right hand side upper cheek (next to the lower ear on the black colour) most ESBs tend o miss it and its as prominent as the wavy brow.

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 04:06 AM

I thought we established the wave is more an illusion of the mind created by light distortions from the colors that are in that area?

Like BGH said there are also some small chunks on the right cheek bottom where it meets the upper cheek near the ear side and the left cheek where it meets the upper cheek on the visor side...and a few more on the left cheek in the same sorta location, and two on the back left side one bigger than the other

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 04:08 AM

As for the cracks and such most ESB paintups are per the movie BGH there were no cracks present in the scenes of ESB maybe in ROTJ but not ESB

**clonecollector** · 08-01-2011, 05:17 AM

Nice side by side images Spidey!

You can barely see any difference at all size wise... just a tad... and when its painted up all the colors would make it seem less so.

**Spideyfett** · 08-01-2011, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

I thought we established the wave is more an illusion of the mind created by light distortions from the colors that are in that area?

I'm not sure when that was established recently..But a few years back Tylerdurdan posted a clear picture of the repair (anyone have that pic??), and I think it was established that there was a wave in the brow and its just understood that it was a repair of somekind...And from what I remember at C4 its there.

Here is the best shot I have of the repair.

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 06:02 AM

Thats a great pic eplaining it alex, like I tell scott every other day learn something new everyday. In some pics it apears theres a wave, but in others it appears to be straight, its possible its a combination the silver and grey in that spot also makes it more prevalent I think as well like i was saying with the light...Are you adding the other crack and chips as well...I dont know how you would add the smashed cracked right one but the chips would be easy enough

**Spideyfett** · 08-01-2011, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

...Are you adding the other crack and chips as well...I dont know how you would add the smashed cracked right one but the chips would be easy enough

I think most scratches on that right side will prob be added once the paint work is completed, would prob be the best way to show it as "hair-line" crack..
Heck I'll prob just take an exacto knife to the thing anyway as there's so much damage from mishandling.. LOL!

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 06:54 AM

Boba Fett Empire Strikes Back Costume - Bespin Hallway - The Dented Helmet Gallery
Thats the pic I was talking about, its like the verical and horizontal line brain teaser pic with black squares on a white background

**clonecollector** · 08-01-2011, 09:57 AM

I don't know if this is helpful in any way... but when movies are filmed they're often done out of sequence. It could explain why the wave is in the brow in some scenes and others not (I'm not even sure of that - never researched it). At some point it was damaged and repaired... and POOF the wavy brow is in the film.

**RafalFett** · 08-01-2011, 10:52 AM

If we can trust the images in the gallery most of the helmet has in some degree a wavy brow.

The PrePro #1 and PrePro #2 has a slight wave in the right side

The PrePro #3 has also a slight wave and the ESB a bigger wave on the left side

I don't see it on the ROTJ helmet and I think we can't count on the Sandy (because of the severe damages it has).
This wavy brow thing might be because the way they fixed the visor into the helmet, but maybe not.

The only difference is this: if you want to see the wavy brow, then it's there, if you don't want to see it, then it isn't there.

Sorry for hijacking this thread (too).

**BGHunter** · 08-01-2011, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

As for the cracks and such most ESB paintups are per the movie BGH there were no cracks present in the scenes of ESB maybe in ROTJ but not ESB

Looks like the one I was talkin about is very prominent in ESB

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 07:49 PM

Not sure when that was taken maybe after filming...this is all durring the movie as far as I can tell

**BGHunter** · 08-01-2011, 07:54 PM

Tru though I think it is in the second pic and washed out in the others from lighting ,, none the less I guess it not so important ,,
I personally just paint it on

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-01-2011, 08:20 PM

not saying he shouldnt do it....alex is going for the aosw its there

**kbrosseau** · 08-01-2011, 09:39 PM

The crack in question is there during ESB filming without a doubt. Nobody has yet put it into their replica as far as I know.

**Spideyfett** · 08-04-2011, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by RafalFett

The only difference is this: if you want to see the wavy brow, then it's there, if you don't want to see it, then it isn't there.

I have to completely disagree with that statement, sorry buddy.. its there, not because some of us agree and some of us don't... my examples are on the next post and pics below.

Originally Posted by BGHunter

I personally just paint it on

You might have something to that...

After speaking with FP, and reviewing all the high res pics (in the gallery and my own) I think Three things contribute to what we know as the "wavy brow".

#1: There is definately a repair or "Crack" of somekind, as shown in my previous pic on post #29 and the pic below.
#2: There is a "Paint Overlap" on the under side of the brow..(second pic below)
#3: The brow rim is thinner in that spot when compared to the rest of the brow as you move outward....(second pic below)

Originally Posted by kbrosseau

The crack in question is there during ESB filming without a doubt. Nobody has yet put it into their replica as far as I know.

Agreed, I've always thought the wave on the brow was also there during filming, I think it's what gives the hero helmet on screen it's overall look.

But for this project I'm sticking to the AOSW version, mainly cause there's more reference material.

**Mullreel** · 08-04-2011, 08:48 PM

those are the best pics I have seen to show the area, and the damage.

Thanks for posting

**RafalFett** · 08-04-2011, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

I have to completely disagree with that statement, sorry buddy.. its there, not because some of us agree and some of us don't... my examples are on the next post and pics below.

I'm 100% sure that the wavy brow is there! My statement was for those who see it and for those who don't see or don't want to see it... It's like if you believe in Santa Claus, then he exist, if you don't believe, then he doesn't exist. This is all in the eye of the beholder.

**Spideyfett** · 08-05-2011, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by RafalFett

I'm 100% sure that the wavy brow is there! My statement was for those who see it and for those who don't see or don't want to see it... It's like if you believe in Santa Claus, then he exist, if you don't believe, then he doesn't exist. This is all in the eye of the beholder.

Santa isn't real?? LOL!

**HeadlessHunter** · 08-06-2011, 05:29 AM

Alex you have done an outstanding job on that brow, for me personally though I also believe its a little less pronounced, though I can also appreciate that me looking at photos of it on a monitor doesn't give a true representation, I also think that a lot of the repair contour can come down to trimming and paint application, keep it up

**Spideyfett** · 08-07-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by HeadlessHunter

Alex you have done an outstanding job on that brow, for me personally though I also believe its a little less pronounced,

Agreed

... here's a Revised version.

Scaled back on the brow.
Reattached the right ear. (cracked)
Added the AOSW visor mounts.

Visor Mounts (taking a page out of Kbrosseau book..

). Custom mounts drilled and tapped...still waiting on the correct screws to ship, but you get the Idea.

FINALLY...READY FOR PAINT...

**HeadlessHunter** · 08-08-2011, 05:28 AM

that is it! fantastic work!!!

**superjedi** · 08-08-2011, 12:37 PM

Sweet! Here's where the fun begins.

How are those visor clips attached to the cheeks? Epoxy? Super glue? Magic pixie dust?

**AFettFullofDollars** · 08-08-2011, 06:22 PM

You Da MAN!!!!

**HelmetObsession** · 08-09-2011, 06:50 AM

Congratulations!!!

**Spideyfett** · 08-09-2011, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by superjedi

Sweet! Here's where the fun begins.

How are those visor clips attached to the cheeks? Epoxy? Super glue? Magic pixie dust?

Definately.........Magic Dust. LOL

And I will be applying the epoxy puddy to help secure them in... like the reference shows... just tacked them on for the picture.

**superjedi** · 08-09-2011, 05:37 PM

Ah, gotcha! Epoxy putty I can do.

**Spideyfett** · 08-13-2011, 04:25 PM

Finally got some paint on this puppy..

Just applied the dome, cheeks, and back colors.
With some additional "speckling/splatter". I think most people forget this part.. it really adds more depth on the finished product.

Should get the mandibles and the undercheeks tomorrow, and possibly the kill-stripes... Yes, this is a topical paint job.

**Fett 4 Real** · 08-13-2011, 07:09 PM

not gonna layer this guy?

**Spideyfett** · 08-13-2011, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

not gonna layer this guy?

Nah.. per request, you won't be able to tell...

**KenChan** · 08-14-2011, 03:40 AM

Just out of curiosity. Why add bondo around the dent?

**RafalFett** · 08-14-2011, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by KenChan

Just out of curiosity. Why add bondo around the dent?

The GMH is a cast of the Pre-Pro #2 and the helmet has some physical damage (or poor repair job) around the dent while the ESB hero is cleaner in that area.

**superjedi** · 08-14-2011, 07:20 AM

Topical! Hooray!

I think topical allows for much greater control of the small shapes of the damage areas.

**mmgraphics** · 08-14-2011, 08:07 AM

@superjedi: LOOOOOOL That´s not true bro!

**superjedi** · 08-14-2011, 12:11 PM

Search your feelings. . . you know it to be true!

**Spideyfett** · 08-14-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by superjedi

Topical! Hooray!

I think topical allows for much greater control of the small shapes of the damage areas.

Gotta agree with ya Eric.. Topical = "exact scratches" ; Layered = "close scratches"....

**Spideyfett** · 08-14-2011, 03:46 PM

Thought this pic was funny... Home Depot Turbin Fett..

Did I mention I was painting more than one??

**mrgr8ness** · 08-15-2011, 08:07 AM

Awesome Alex, can't wait to see these done. Making me want to paint another bucket. Is that a Paasche VL?

**DarthMiller** · 08-16-2011, 04:37 PM

Nice!!!

**Boba Leo** · 08-16-2011, 09:09 PM

Impressive!!!!!!!, is a pleasure to watch the step by step, I will continue monitoring closely!!!!!!!! Congratulations Spideyfett!!!!!!!!

Leo

**Scott Kaufmann** · 08-19-2011, 08:08 AM

A thing of beauty.

**Spideyfett** · 08-20-2011, 06:04 PM

Couple small updates..

**superjedi** · 08-21-2011, 04:46 AM

Gorgeous!

**Dex** · 08-26-2011, 12:58 PM

Good looking work! Brave doing a wavy brow too... I'm still unsure as to which I prefer. Wavy and accurate or straight...
It will look great though complete, I'm sure!

**Spideyfett** · 08-27-2011, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dex

Good looking work! Brave doing a wavy brow too... I'm still unsure as to which I prefer. Wavy and accurate or straight...
It will look great though complete, I'm sure!

Love the Avatar Dex.

**AFettFullofDollars** · 08-27-2011, 04:17 PM

Isn't there something beautiful about a freshly painted Fett helmet without any damage on it?

**Verbal21** · 08-29-2011, 12:11 PM

It's always great to see WIP's off Boba pieces and this is no exception. I can't wait to see more pics

**Spideyfett** · 09-05-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Verbal21

It's always great to see WIP's off Boba pieces and this is no exception. I can't wait to see more pics

Sorry, took last weekend off..
Not much to show, just the ears and rest of the back.

**DarthMiller** · 09-05-2011, 06:46 PM

Awesome!

**Boba Leo** · 09-06-2011, 07:58 AM

Wow again Impressive!!!!!!!

Leo

**JimmyC** · 04-12-2012, 04:29 PM

how did this guy end up? it looks like it was going really good... just curious!

**Scott Kaufmann** · 04-12-2012, 05:04 PM

It's been temporarily put aside for some other work.

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