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  1. SlaveR5's Avatar
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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:13 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #26

    come on guys. i think they can be very valuable to get a very close to screen accurate helmet. i find it funny that there seems to be some resistance on using some templates to get "scratch" area down on the helmet, yet everyone has nothing but praise and kick butt comments on tk409's kill stripe templates. call me crazy, but those are templates used in the same fashion as what scratch templates would be used for.

    bottom line if you have no painting skills a template isnt going to make you a great painter. if you have skills they will help get a more accurate finished product. i own a creative firm here in socal, so with my graphic and computer skills i was going to try and take a stab at getting some templates put together for my helmet (when i get it and i find time to actually paint it) (MS3 on the way!!!)

    i think it will help raise the bar of everyone to have them avaliable, so when i give them a go and if it works or helps i'll post them up for anyone to use if there is interest.

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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:19 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #27

    ok, ok...you've talked me into it...here's the proto for your templates...




    I keed - I keed!!!

    Just wanted to show it off a little


    womo
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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:40 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #28

    I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
    I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers )

    It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.

    So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic
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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:45 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #29

    Good point man.
    Topical sux.
    Didn't even consider that.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:52 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #30

    Propcicle, that photo you posted is essentially what my teplates look like, although only for the silver layer. I'm painting my helmet so I'm not done yet, but when I am I'll go back and clean everything up and make them printer-friendly. Just been way too busy to get them done now.

    I'll let some other people with experience using stencils chime in, but in my experience they are an immense help with sizing and positioning, but the human factor still comes takes over the majority of work - you have to cut the stencils out with an exacto knife, so you lose some detail, then trace the shape in pencil, and then you still have to paint it by hand. Unless this was done with an adhesive-backed sheet, in which case the tracing in pencil could be skipped I suppose.

    Maybe I missed something, though I read the thread before it was deleted. I'm not really sure what this talk is of "scanning helmets" to make" secret templates" for all the scratches. Like I said, at least I found them to be a big help, but they are not as simple as printing them out and slapping on the helmet and having a perfect paintjob. I don't think there should be any conflict for people to make theirs available. If they want to, then they should be free to, if not it's their choice.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 12:56 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #31



    yes, still needs to be some skills there. templates can only be an aide.. not a replacement.... they are not going to paint detail for you.. just help with size and position.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 1:08 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #32

    I think what started as a joke has gotten slightly out of hand. FP statement "And I'm not the only known Fett Helmet painter that does ... The secret is out !! " Several jestful comments were exchanged referencing "super secret templates." It's the kind of phrase that you could easily substitute for "the third gun man on the grass knoll."

    There is no secret set of templates, at least not my knowledge. I thought many painters here were already using their own templates, created from the same tour pictures we all have access to, and templates were already common knowledge, as evidenced by Fett Full of Dollars thread.

    Again, I just think what started out as a joke has evolved into a bit of a conspiracy theory where by using the secret template you can become a xerox painter overnight. As Marrow Sun said, the template is only a small part of the paint process; it is a tool just like masking fluid
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    Feb 15, 2006, 1:15 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #33

    I am totally baffled by some of the points being made in this thread, but it is not new to see the "us/them" issue pop up again. In the past it has been labelled an "elitism" issue and for some reason, certain individuals feel like they are owed ALL info. They are mistaken in this belief of what they are owed. As webchief pointed out, while TDH is all about sharing and everyone is encouraged to share, there is no requirement for it and therefore no real leg for any of us to stand on in regard to complaining about someone not sharing a particular method or piece of info.

    In my time here, I have come to see that info is withheld for a number of reasons.
    -Sometimes it is due to obligation. Someone shares info and asks you not to share it.
    -Someimes it is due to financial reasons. Someone who sells items discovers a new method for achieving greater accuracy and wants to keep it secret to have one-up on the competition. Or,someone makes a discovery of a found item and holds on to that information so he and his friends can attain copies of that item before it is made public knowledge and the price goes through the roof.
    -Sometimes it is for the glory. "I know something you don't know!" -Sometimes it is because they have shared something in the past and gotten burned on it. I know one individual who shared information with the board and was crapped all over for his efforts and he swore never to do it again. I know another who made information available about a particular discovery and later someone else took credit for that discovery.

    While we may not, on a personal level, agree with all of these reasons for not sharing, they are all valid.

    There seems to be an indication here that the thread was pulled last night because of this HUGE TEMPLATE SECRET. While, I won't speak for the administration, that seems utterly ridiculous because:
    -I have never seen the mods pull a thread due to info given.
    -Rogue Studios and FP (no, I don't mind naming them) clearly appeared to be joking about it being a "secret."
    -What would be gained by pulling the thread after so many had already read about the templates.
    -If it was pulled due to the template info, this thread would not be allowed to continue.

    Honestly, the whole template thing is NOT even a secret. Just because something is not publicly posted does not make it a secret. It simply isn't knowledge that had been shared on the board yet.

    Some also seem to be hinting that using templates is cheating or an easy way out or that it "explains" why some people have such amazing paint jobs. Actually it is "building a better mousetrap." If FP and Rogue Studios and others have discovered a method for more accurately painting their helmets, more power to them. Perhaps they will share more of their thoughts on this process and help others along as well, but if they choose not to, that is their business and I don't see where anyone has a right to give them grief about it.

    Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:12 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #34

    Quote Brak's Buddy said:
    Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.
    Those are the photos I used when I painted my helmet last summer. I used a 'modified template' method for painting, using the incredible detail visible in those photos, and it worked great!
    Like others have mentioned above, just because you have a 'map' of all the scratches/damage, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a perfect reproduction of the screen-used bucket.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:20 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #35

    Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:26 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #36

    SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:37 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #37

    Quote Brak's Buddy said:
    SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!
    Or maybe those that have it done already can be a part of that same "group Project" too and just share what they have done.....Like RS, FP, AFF$ and anyone else that has templates.....
    I know I know they don't HAVE to.....but if it's already done...

    that's just me..

    And thanks for stepping up EVAN4218..:thumbup I will help you as best as I can too...PM sent.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:40 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #38

    Quote evan4218 said:
    Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.

    thats what I am talking about. Man what a great TDH resource!

    Thank you Evan!
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:41 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #39

    Sounds great EVAN!!! Way to step up to the plate!!!! This is gonna be an awesome project! Look forward to seeing what developes.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 2:52 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #40

    this sounds like its gunna be a great/fun group project.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 3:04 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #41

    everyone should have as many "aids" as we can come up with.. i'll post some stuff when i get something worked out as well. i also manage some servers so i can see how we can set up something if they do come out as a useful aid, to help keep things easy in one place for everyone to access.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 3:26 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #42

    Quote DarthMiller said:
    It appears that some of the best buckets on the boards have not been painted by simply looking at the reference photos and just painting but rather by SCANNING these photos and creating TEMPLATES for every single scratch on the bucket.

    for me this explains the incredible level of accuracy that some people have been able to achieve.
    Not mine....ALL BY HAND BABY! I used a pencil to outline and get my scratches as "near perfect" before painting each and every scratch.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 3:40 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #43

    Quote MARROW SUN said:
    I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
    I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers )

    It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.

    So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic
    Same here MS Iím pretty impartial on the subject as well, variations in technique, proficiency, ability and talent all are variables no two people can produce the same piece of art simply because each individual will have a slightly different interpretation based on preference, knowledge even if they both used same reference.

    My buddy and me are both illustrators using the same tools of the trade, we share some of the same knowledge and materials and reference. However we both differ greatly in style and technique simple because we both have variations in personality and skill.

    Based on the hypothesis constructed here, templates sound advantageous and relatively cool, I use loads of reference material when Iím working on an illustrations or my comic, itís just a small tool to assist in creativity that canít replace time and patience, the sheer satisfaction I get from drawing something from scratch is indescribable and rewarding.

    The same goes with buckets so much goes into it I wouldnít think a uniform template couldnít reasonable ever replace the pleasure of making it by hand.

    You may never get the same results from a template than you would by hand because of the individuality and personality brought to each bucket by the person, that something I admire and respect deeply from everyone that has every done a Fett bucket here.:thumbup

    The finished product would always vary.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 3:51 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #44

    Quote DL44 Blaster said:
    Not mine....ALL BY HAND BABY! I used a pencil to outline and get my scratches as "near perfect" before painting each and every scratch.
    MAN!! I always love seeing Pics of your Bucket!! ......wait that sounded kinda weird..
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    Feb 15, 2006, 3:54 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #45

    Quote Brak's Buddy said:
    Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.
    I couldn't agree with Braks more. Why would one want a copy of a copy....an interpretation at that. It's not as if these templates were laid over the actual ESB Hero and taken from that directly. Even if they were,the differences in each artist's helmet would prove different challenges in making a blanket template fit. While these templates may be good for key outlines and signature scratches it still doesn't provide a panacea for painting a screen accurate bucket. Not to mention if you didn't have the template perfectly oriented to where the scratch should be,....it'll be "off".

    I too was tempted early on by using others' buckets as reference,but came to the realization that they just weren't THE bucket I should be using as reference,no matter how accurate the paintjob is. The original is what we're trying to recreate,not a fan made version. If that was the case and one kept copying another then in about 10 versions down you'd think a '97 DP was screen accurate The reference in the TDH archive is so abundant in picture definition that it is really the best guide available IMHO. While templates would definitely help with the speed of painting a bucket,I just think that it too would provide its own set of unique problems.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 4:00 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #46

    Quote MARROW SUN said:
    OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic
    ....so true..
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    Feb 15, 2006, 4:01 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #47

    Will this template project be for just the ESB helmet? Or will templates be made for the ROTJ helmet too?

    The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.

    OT but somewhat related is the latest offerings in decals for some model airplanes. Pre printed camoflage decals. Especially nice for WW I biplane models with their complex patterns.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 4:15 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #48

    Quote Jun Garros Fett said:
    Will this template project be for just the ESB helmet? Or will templates be made for the ROTJ helmet too?

    The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.

    I was thinking the samething. Maybe once the guys get out the first temp.(I am assuming it will be an MS) we will be able to compare it on other Helmets (BM, SGB and the DP's) We can probably just do a percentage shrinkage or enlargement intructions for each of those different helms.
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    Feb 15, 2006, 4:16 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #49

    Trust me, I will be taking that into consideration. These can easily be stretched and resized to your hearts content to fit any buckt. I have access to almost every make of helmet outthere so I will most likely do a preset PDF that will include sizes for all and have them labled accordingly.

    As for the ESB or ROTJ, I want to do Templates for both! Including the "Eyes" version!!!
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    Feb 15, 2006, 4:20 PM - Re: Bucket Painting TEMPLATES #50

    Quote MARROW SUN said:
    OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic
    So helmets painted topically do not look good?

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