Bucket Painting TEMPLATES

One last thing...here is a pic of my first bucket I painted. I am just wondering how much better it could be with these templates?????

Well that's interesting news. I wasn't online last night to see it but wish I could have.

Templates huh? Yeah... that would certainly make it a HELL of a lot easier to paint these bad boys wouldn't it?

Yeah... it was a bummer that thread got nuked... lot of good info was being posted last night.

Hmm...templetes would be cool. By the way, your bucket looks fantastic the way it is DarthMiller.

And just to set the record straight...I DON NOT use templates...for those that have asked.
I'm thinking about it though , I mean if they were made available I would try them.....
Obviously I could make my own but I would love to try it on someones bucket.........any takers???

Sounds like I missed an interesting thread.

I would love to try them out also.

I am just hoping that one of the Senior members who was apart of this discussion last night will address this topic for us.

Hey DM,

I know how you feel. When I read about the secret templates in the thread that was deleted, my jaw hit the floor.

hmmmm....I have been a member of the TDH for quite awhile and never had any knowledge of any templates that ever floated around ? To tell you the truth, its a great concept but come now, its a concept EVERYONE who's ever painted a fett helmet could tell you hasn't crossed their mind at some point.

to me, unless they were templates lifted DIRECTLY off an original fett helmet, they are just as fan based as you and I painting from a reference photo and a brush.

Fast forward to now...how about we MAKE brand new ones ? Make it a communal effort. God knows, about two years ago, there were only a HANDFUL of GOOD painters on the forum, now there are MANY - with their "combined efforts " we could create universal templates for everyone to use-

I mean come now, let's face it, a template doesn't guarantee your helmet is going to be great. It will mean that SOME paint is going to be placed in the right place, but the real magic behind A GREAT helmet, is the TLC to every scratch, wash, and spray that applies to the ESB or ROTJ paint scheme. NO template could accomplish that, but it can give a newbie a really good start into this fantastic fett hobby.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Hey DM...I don't think your post is Negative in anyway....I think it was well thought out and well written, and the respect you have shown goes to prove that your attempt is just that ...TO Get the "Secret" out. If it's even that at all...

There is actually a thread somewhere around here started by AFF$ on his Templates... here is his thread ....he has been very open about his technique.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/esb-screen-capture-stencils-11248/

the result , with a little talent, is amazing.. ...

True, but the templates mentioned yesterday were computer generated, pre-printed adhesive backed templates.

Peel, stick and paint.

I'd like to hear more on this.

Originally Posted by Ripcode

True, but the templates mentioned yesterday were computer generated, pre-printed adhesive backed templates.

Peel, stick and paint.

I'd like to hear more on this.

Me too...

.......................................any one??

Originally Posted by Got Maul

I mean come now, let's face it, a template doesn't guarantee your helmet is going to be great.

TRUE.

But it would give everyone who used it an even starting point. From there, the individual painter is on their own.

yeah, I saw the thread before it disappeared.
(I also saw another thread before half of it disappeared with no posted reason why)

The Templates sounded like a good idea. Of course you still need skill to pull off a great helmet. Nobody will deny that.
it just sucks that some people feel it's ok to keep information from others,
I thought that stuff only happened on other boards, not here where we are "family".

I have developed templates (as I said in the other thread) for the decals and kill stripes for use of traditionally painting them on. They worked like a dream. Its not hard to develop these templates but very time consuming. I am also curious to how they applied them. You can do them in a number of ways. I just cut my stuff out of think paper with an exacto knife but you can also use a plotter sending vector files to print, what comes out is a computer cut "sticker" template. Sadly these machines are a bit pricey but you can have these "stickers" cut at any signsnow, fastsigns, kinkos... ect!

I do wish that info was shared. I could have been secretive with my vector stencils I created but I made time to email them to every person on this board who PMed me about them. Plus I posted them. This isnt a "who can do the best bucket" contest! Its a forum for sharing how you accomplished your project so others can learn. I an fairly new to painting helmets and now have 3 under my belt. 2 Fetts and 1 Clone, I want to continue to up my skills and how I go about getting a beautiful accurate bucket. This can only be done by the people doing the best buckets, and the people doing buckets at my skill level to share info. I might have tried something that Darthmiller never thought about doing that could work well, he could be doing something to his bucket that I don't know about.

Let us come together, yes, just like the Beatles song, and share our knowledge to make a better bucket, and a better tomorrow!

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

yeah, I saw the thread before it disappeared.
(I also saw another thread before half of it disappeared with no posted reason why)

Yup, I noticed that too.

Yesterday was the "Official Disappearing Thread/Post Day".

Mark it on your calendar for next year!

One thing I wanted to add but forgot, just my opinion, but I doubt that FP will share his templates with us. Not saying he is mean, or holding back, I just dont think that will happen. I woudl think he would share how he prints then, cuts them, ect. But chances are slim he will post them.

I would be up to the challenge to use my graphic design skills to help develop them, perhaps we can make a project out of this. Anythoughts local guys? (Looking in Darth and Spidys dirrection)

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

yeah, I saw the thread before it disappeared.
(I also saw another thread before half of it disappeared with no posted reason why)

The Templates sounded like a good idea. Of course you still need skill to pull off a great helmet. Nobody will deny that.
it just sucks that some people feel it's ok to keep information from others,
I thought that stuff only happened on other boards, not here where we are "family".

yeah....why was the original thread lifted and not just locked?


womo

Originally Posted by Ripcode

Yup, I noticed that too.

Yesterday was the "Official Disappearing Thread/Post Day".

Mark it on your calendar for next year!

lol !!

Well, the way I see it, we could gripe about the "secrecy" of these things or we could get on the horse and make some ourselves...Me, I am a builder...let's do it !

Where is Wizardofflight !? He's got great skill and a great eye for 3D manipulation into 2D flat stencils... put it on sticky back and you're all set !



Honestly guys, yes, those helmets of the past were the bomb, but have you all looked around lately ? There have been some INCREDIBLE helmets coming out from everyone and the days of great helmets belonging to the few are done. Its called raising the bar...let's do it and cut all the heresay stuff out (like I am the one to talk, I didn't even get a chance to read the deleted thread - and get to action !

smacking someone else's temps on your bucket instead of hand painting every detail seems easier imo...

never seen or used any temps here other then TK-409's killstripes.

Originally Posted by Got Maul

lol !!

Well, the way I see it, we could gripe about the "secrecy" of these things or we could get on the horse and make some ourselves...Me, I am a builder...let's do it !

Where is Wizardofflight !? He's got great skill and a great eye for 3D manipulation into 2D flat stencils... put it on sticky back and you're all set !

I was going to start working on my own templates as that seemed the best place to start for someone with zero paint experience such as myself. If these are available, let's spread the wealth TDH. I popped this out in about 30 minutes, and I know it's not EXACTLY right but for 30 minutes its a good start. There's got to be some better Photoshop'rs out there up to this challenge.

-Chad

Originally Posted by evan4218

One thing I wanted to add but forgot, just my opinion, but I doubt that FP will share his templates with us. Not saying he is mean, or holding back, I just dont think that will happen. I woudl think he would share how he prints then, cuts them, ect. But chances are slim he will post them.

I would be up to the challenge to use my graphic design skills to help develop them, perhaps we can make a project out of this. Anythoughts local guys? (Looking in Darth and Spidys dirrection)

I totally agree w/ this. He isn't going to offer them to us. I mean look how hard it is to get him just to PM you back. "Forget about it"
But I do agree w/ Maul we have some talented folks here on TDH such as WOL. I know if all you guys put your heads together you can create better temps than these guys have.

"if you can't join 'em ...than out do 'em"

While I'm all for the idea of sharing in this community let's all keep in mind that its not a REQUIREMENT for someone to do so.

I personally would LOVE an accurate template to use but lack the know-how to make one so I'll have to settle for painting my projects by hand like I've done in the past.

Originally Posted by Gonzo Fett

I totally agree w/ this. He isn't going to offer them to us. I mean look how hard it is to get him just to PM you back. "Forget about it"
But I do agree w/ Maul we have some talented folks here on TDH such as WOL. I know if all you guys put your heads together you can create better temps than these guys have.

"if you can't join 'em ...than out do 'em"

You nailed it Gonzo.

This is the thing that I don't understand in that a lot of these statements made are made from a position that idolizes a one true design that was years ago - People keep stating that its a senor members secret versus US type scenario. My question is, yes, these are technically senors but are you also stating that only THEIR helmets nailed the details of the Fett helmet...that THEIR templates are the ONLY templates that define the fett.

The last I looked, they have as much access to resource photos as the rest of us do and even the same paints..

My point is, the playing field is level when it comes to paint jobs and its probably the only level playing field we have in the Fett hobby. In armor, there's FP and the rest. In helmets, its MS and the rest...but in paint jobs and detail, people, its a level playing field and its no use bantering whether someone will divulge or share his/her templates- dare I say, with the collective effort, we could probably even streamline the process more !

anyhow, y'all get my point - I just hate the senor vs US talk that goes on, especially in such an area that people new or old have continued to demonstrate the SAME level of excellence in paint jobs w/ or w/o "special" or secret templates.

come on guys. i think they can be very valuable to get a very close to screen accurate helmet. i find it funny that there seems to be some resistance on using some templates to get "scratch" area down on the helmet, yet everyone has nothing but praise and kick butt comments on tk409's kill stripe templates. call me crazy, but those are templates used in the same fashion as what scratch templates would be used for.

bottom line if you have no painting skills a template isnt going to make you a great painter. if you have skills they will help get a more accurate finished product. i own a creative firm here in socal, so with my graphic and computer skills i was going to try and take a stab at getting some templates put together for my helmet (when i get it and i find time to actually paint it) (MS3 on the way!!!)

i think it will help raise the bar of everyone to have them avaliable, so when i give them a go and if it works or helps i'll post them up for anyone to use if there is interest.

SlaveR5

ok, ok...you've talked me into it...here's the proto for your templates...




I keed - I keed!!!

Just wanted to show it off a little


womo

I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers )

It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.

So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic

Good point man.
Topical sux.
Didn't even consider that.

Propcicle, that photo you posted is essentially what my teplates look like, although only for the silver layer. I'm painting my helmet so I'm not done yet, but when I am I'll go back and clean everything up and make them printer-friendly. Just been way too busy to get them done now.

I'll let some other people with experience using stencils chime in, but in my experience they are an immense help with sizing and positioning, but the human factor still comes takes over the majority of work - you have to cut the stencils out with an exacto knife, so you lose some detail, then trace the shape in pencil, and then you still have to paint it by hand. Unless this was done with an adhesive-backed sheet, in which case the tracing in pencil could be skipped I suppose.

Maybe I missed something, though I read the thread before it was deleted. I'm not really sure what this talk is of "scanning helmets" to make" secret templates" for all the scratches. Like I said, at least I found them to be a big help, but they are not as simple as printing them out and slapping on the helmet and having a perfect paintjob. I don't think there should be any conflict for people to make theirs available. If they want to, then they should be free to, if not it's their choice.

yes, still needs to be some skills there. templates can only be an aide.. not a replacement.... they are not going to paint detail for you.. just help with size and position.

I think what started as a joke has gotten slightly out of hand. FP statement "And I'm not the only known Fett Helmet painter that does ... The secret is out !! " Several jestful comments were exchanged referencing "super secret templates." It's the kind of phrase that you could easily substitute for "the third gun man on the grass knoll."

There is no secret set of templates, at least not my knowledge. I thought many painters here were already using their own templates, created from the same tour pictures we all have access to, and templates were already common knowledge, as evidenced by Fett Full of Dollars thread.

Again, I just think what started out as a joke has evolved into a bit of a conspiracy theory where by using the secret template you can become a xerox painter overnight. As Marrow Sun said, the template is only a small part of the paint process; it is a tool just like masking fluid

I am totally baffled by some of the points being made in this thread, but it is not new to see the "us/them" issue pop up again. In the past it has been labelled an "elitism" issue and for some reason, certain individuals feel like they are owed ALL info. They are mistaken in this belief of what they are owed. As webchief pointed out, while TDH is all about sharing and everyone is encouraged to share, there is no requirement for it and therefore no real leg for any of us to stand on in regard to complaining about someone not sharing a particular method or piece of info.

In my time here, I have come to see that info is withheld for a number of reasons.
-Sometimes it is due to obligation. Someone shares info and asks you not to share it.
-Someimes it is due to financial reasons. Someone who sells items discovers a new method for achieving greater accuracy and wants to keep it secret to have one-up on the competition. Or,someone makes a discovery of a found item and holds on to that information so he and his friends can attain copies of that item before it is made public knowledge and the price goes through the roof.
-Sometimes it is for the glory. "I know something you don't know!" -Sometimes it is because they have shared something in the past and gotten burned on it. I know one individual who shared information with the board and was crapped all over for his efforts and he swore never to do it again. I know another who made information available about a particular discovery and later someone else took credit for that discovery.

While we may not, on a personal level, agree with all of these reasons for not sharing, they are all valid.

There seems to be an indication here that the thread was pulled last night because of this HUGE TEMPLATE SECRET. While, I won't speak for the administration, that seems utterly ridiculous because:
-I have never seen the mods pull a thread due to info given.
-Rogue Studios and FP (no, I don't mind naming them) clearly appeared to be joking about it being a "secret."
-What would be gained by pulling the thread after so many had already read about the templates.
-If it was pulled due to the template info, this thread would not be allowed to continue.

Honestly, the whole template thing is NOT even a secret. Just because something is not publicly posted does not make it a secret. It simply isn't knowledge that had been shared on the board yet.

Some also seem to be hinting that using templates is cheating or an easy way out or that it "explains" why some people have such amazing paint jobs. Actually it is "building a better mousetrap." If FP and Rogue Studios and others have discovered a method for more accurately painting their helmets, more power to them. Perhaps they will share more of their thoughts on this process and help others along as well, but if they choose not to, that is their business and I don't see where anyone has a right to give them grief about it.

Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.

Those are the photos I used when I painted my helmet last summer. I used a 'modified template' method for painting, using the incredible detail visible in those photos, and it worked great!
Like others have mentioned above, just because you have a 'map' of all the scratches/damage, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a perfect reproduction of the screen-used bucket.

Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.

SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!

Or maybe those that have it done already can be a part of that same "group Project" too and just share what they have done.....Like RS, FP, AFF$ and anyone else that has templates.....
I know I know they don't HAVE to.....but if it's already done...

that's just me..

And thanks for stepping up EVAN4218..:thumbup I will help you as best as I can too...PM sent.

Originally Posted by evan4218

Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.

thats what I am talking about. Man what a great TDH resource!

Thank you Evan!

Sounds great EVAN!!! Way to step up to the plate!!!! This is gonna be an awesome project! Look forward to seeing what developes.
D

this sounds like its gunna be a great/fun group project.

everyone should have as many "aids" as we can come up with.. i'll post some stuff when i get something worked out as well. i also manage some servers so i can see how we can set up something if they do come out as a useful aid, to help keep things easy in one place for everyone to access.

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

It appears that some of the best buckets on the boards have not been painted by simply looking at the reference photos and just painting but rather by SCANNING these photos and creating TEMPLATES for every single scratch on the bucket.

for me this explains the incredible level of accuracy that some people have been able to achieve.

Not mine....ALL BY HAND BABY! I used a pencil to outline and get my scratches as "near perfect" before painting each and every scratch.

Originally Posted by MARROW SUN

I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers )

It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.

So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic

Same here MS I’m pretty impartial on the subject as well, variations in technique, proficiency, ability and talent all are variables no two people can produce the same piece of art simply because each individual will have a slightly different interpretation based on preference, knowledge even if they both used same reference.

My buddy and me are both illustrators using the same tools of the trade, we share some of the same knowledge and materials and reference. However we both differ greatly in style and technique simple because we both have variations in personality and skill.

Based on the hypothesis constructed here, templates sound advantageous and relatively cool, I use loads of reference material when I’m working on an illustrations or my comic, it’s just a small tool to assist in creativity that can’t replace time and patience, the sheer satisfaction I get from drawing something from scratch is indescribable and rewarding.

The same goes with buckets so much goes into it I wouldn’t think a uniform template couldn’t reasonable ever replace the pleasure of making it by hand.

You may never get the same results from a template than you would by hand because of the individuality and personality brought to each bucket by the person, that something I admire and respect deeply from everyone that has every done a Fett bucket here.:thumbup

The finished product would always vary.

Originally Posted by DL44 Blaster

Not mine....ALL BY HAND BABY! I used a pencil to outline and get my scratches as "near perfect" before painting each and every scratch.

MAN!! I always love seeing Pics of your Bucket!! ......wait that sounded kinda weird..

Originally Posted by MARROW SUN

OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic

....so true..

Will this template project be for just the ESB helmet? Or will templates be made for the ROTJ helmet too?

The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.

OT but somewhat related is the latest offerings in decals for some model airplanes. Pre printed camoflage decals. Especially nice for WW I biplane models with their complex patterns.

Originally Posted by Jun Garros Fett

Will this template project be for just the ESB helmet? Or will templates be made for the ROTJ helmet too?

The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.

I was thinking the samething. Maybe once the guys get out the first temp.(I am assuming it will be an MS) we will be able to compare it on other Helmets (BM, SGB and the DP's) We can probably just do a percentage shrinkage or enlargement intructions for each of those different helms.

Trust me, I will be taking that into consideration. These can easily be stretched and resized to your hearts content to fit any buckt. I have access to almost every make of helmet outthere so I will most likely do a preset PDF that will include sizes for all and have them labled accordingly.

As for the ESB or ROTJ, I want to do Templates for both! Including the "Eyes" version!!!

Originally Posted by MARROW SUN

OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic

So helmets painted topically do not look good?

Originally Posted by Ripcode

So helmets painted topically do not look good?

I think that's a whole other thread all together....

In relation to the question about using the templates for topical painting, couldn't you do either????? I mean, first you cut out the template, then you will have 2 different parts. You can either use the part that you cut out, meaning the representation of the scratch, or you can use the section which has the scratch cut out of it. If you want to do topical, you lay the piece with the section cut out out of it, and apply the paint topically in the cut out area. OR....you could use a different approach. Paint the bucket siver first, then when dry, apply all your lifesize cuttouts, then spray the next color. Of course with this method you would have to arrange all the cut out pieces of the templates yourself. Then there is still one more option you could try if you don't want topicall. After you have your template in place, (the one with the scatches cut out of it) Instead of painting your silver in, use liqiuid mask to fill in the area. Then remove your masking template, and you'll be left with all your damage liquid masked in. Spray over the top with your paint. Make sense???

I think your reputation proceeds you FP.

I for one apologize if anything I stated came out as anything negitive. That wasn't my intention. I was just commenting to the group instead of crying for these 'secret temps' why not make our own?

I hope things get cleared up. I am sure other will agree that you are a great asset to the board.

Sorry if we left a bad taste in you mouth

FP

I don't think there's a single post on this thread that's against you or slamming you in any way shape or form. Darth just wanted to bring up the point that a lot of people didn't know that was how you and others achieved your buckets.

I have templates, I believe Spidy has some, and others as well. I made mine available, that doesn't mean any one else has to. Nobody is gonna force you to do that either. I didn't think you would make yours available simply on the fact that people can make there own, that is why I am spearheading the task of making them and tweaking them to the comments that will gather from posting them. I think this will create a new level of detail to the templates. Rais the bar if you will.

You created your own templates for your own use, thus they are yours. My idea was to create TDH templates with everyone's input. It doesn't make sense to me to just slap somebody else's hard work on my bucket. That's not what the hobby is about to me.

You shared something that people didn't realize and that inspired people to want to use this method. By all means man, post your temps if you so desire, I would love to see them and study them and so would the rest of the board. Your a great guy, all of my friends speak highly of you and you are bar none undisputed in quality. All that said, you have figured things out that others haven't.

I, just like every one else come back here every day to learn something new so the next prop I paint or put together will be of a better and higher quality, I also come to celebrate the achievements of my fellow Fett Head.

So in close, calm down FP, your admired here, nothing less!

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Good point man.
Topical sux.
Didn't even consider that.

*throws bucket in the trash can then *

evan4218 -

Well, thanks for the sentiment I suppose. But correct me if I'm wrong, it was you that felt it necessary to add ...

Originally Posted by evan4218

One thing I wanted to add but forgot, just my opinion, but I doubt that FP will share his templates with us. Not saying he is mean, or holding back, I just don’t think that will happen. I would think he would share how he prints then, cuts them, ect. But chances are slim he will post them.

I don't know you bud? Therefore, you don't know me either. Albeit your opinion, just really did not seem necessary to me at all.

You're not the only one, I know. But statements like this, get others started ... Example ...

Originally Posted by Gonzo Fett

I totally agree w/ this. He isn't going to offer them to us. I mean look how hard it is to get him just to PM you back. "Forget about it"
But I do agree w/ Maul we have some talented folks here on TDH such as WOL. I know if all you guys put your heads together you can create better temps than these guys have.

This is BAD form. Really bad. Gonzo Fett, you really think that was necessary? That is a slam, if I ever heard one. Then you add insult to injury by taking a poke at my skills ... Bad form. What did I ever do to you? Oh, not respond to you many PM's about wanting to buy armor or something? Gee bud, I'm really sorry about that ... not sure why I couldn't get around to spending my days in the shop making armor components for you, while my guts were hanging outside of my body? Did you happen to hear ANYTHING about me being out of commission for the last "MANY MONTHS"? Perhaps you should really keep comments like this to yourself before taking a poke at them on the boards ... Bad Form.

So in case ANYONE is in doubt about why I have not been johnny on the spot? I have had two (2) surgeries in 10 months. I posted about the first surgery, even posted pics of me in the hospital for the skeptics. I never recovered from the first. had to go in for a second 3 weeks ago. Seeker knows about that one ... or would it be best that I posted pics of me in the hospital that week too? I can ... I had my wife take some for such an occassion ...

Seriously ridiculous.

I have a life outside of TDH ppl. In fact, I've been fighting for it for months.
I came back home to TDH yesterday (I thought).

Have some common sense, please?

FP

Tylerdurden, Brak's Buddy -


I just re-read the thread, and your responses. My apologies that I misread your comments. I do in fact understand that you were making a point about "Do-it-Yourslf", as well as validating why some share, and some do not, ect. I won't edit my post above, simply because I said it, it was misunderstood, and I keeping it available for everyone to read.

Thanks for your level headedness

FP

I'll be the first to admit I for one have been a PEST in PM'ing FP.
But Once I was aware, as most of us where, that his life was the issue.......this FETT stuff just isn't that important I seriously was concerned on a personally level...so I left him alone.
As we all should do.

My point is we don't know his situation and not getting a PM back from him isn't the end of the world......so we shouldn't call people out on stuff like that.
Lord knows I've made that mistake with other members here, just ask GOT MAUL. We were at odds.....and now we're cool. that's what is great about this place....

SO again My apologizes to you FP on behalf of those that just didn't know......

Did anyone hear what FP said ?!?!
He's been ill and dealing with serious health issues. I dont even know the guy and know better than to pester him with requests, pms and emails. Leave the guy alone for glory sake. I love his stuff too and have none of it but I carefully observe his pics and try to do as good a job as he has done.
Give the man a break though - he is ill, I just cant imagine him having to take pics of himself to prove to peoplel he's out of commission.
FP your work speaks for itself. Your a great guy with great skills, no I dont want anything, but like to say I hope you get well soon and back on your feet. Drop me a line if YOU NEED anything.
Mike

I just want to clear up a few things.

I started this thread for one reason. I was mad that the original thread was deleted.

I wanted to force the issue of discussion around this topic.

I agree 100% with FP about putting the original thread back up.

FP was the one who brought the templates up...proving he has nothing to hide.

If FP and Spidey were talking and FP said he was going to post these templetes I believe him 100%. I know Spidey personally and he has BACKED up FP so after all of this I beleive FP is the the good guy and truly wants to help people.

FP...dont leave again...dont let anybody on the boards drive you crazy...hey man your famous around here...your like a movie star or something....

the down side is that you will always have fans and you will always have people who are jealous.

FP... I do hope you post the templates on your website!!!

FP, If I posted something in this forum to offend you, I truly appologize. Never ment any harm or offence. Just stating my opinion. I will think alittle harder before I speak or type something. Thanks for your comunication FP.

Originally Posted by womo68

ok, ok...you've talked me into it...here's the proto for your templates...




I keed - I keed!!!

Just wanted to show it off a little


womo

...I just saw this!!.....funny Wayne. I hate what Flash does to Colors...

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ROGUE STUDIOS ON THIS TOPIC!!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

I'll be the first to admit I for one have been a PEST in PM'ing FP.
But Once I was aware, as most of us where, that his life was the issue.......this FETT stuff just isn't that important I seriously was concerned on a personally level...so I left him alone.
As we all should do.

My point is we don't know his situation and not getting a PM back from him isn't the end of the world......so we shouldn't call people out on stuff like that.
Lord knows I've made that mistake with other members here, just ask GOT MAUL. We were at odds.....and now we're cool. that's what is great about this place....

SO again My apologizes to you FP on behalf of those that just didn't know......

your absolutly right Spidey. FP has been an absolutly FANTASTIC resorce for people on TDH. He was not required to do any of it eather. some where along the way some people i guise lost that point of veiw. hes a great guy for even considering giving out templates to the board members.
FP, i hope your medical situation is on the up side & improving & TY for everything you have done for TDH & its members over the years . You dont owe any of us any thing. If anything TDH ows you a personal thanks for what you have done for us. i also apologise for bombarding you with PMs.

Since there are so many wondering why the other thread was pulled, it was done so at the request of MR and that is all that I can say about that. It certainly was NOT pulled due to any of the discussion about templates. Sorry about the confusion gang.

Originally Posted by Mirax H

Since there are so many wondering why the other thread was pulled, it was done so at the request of MR and that is all that I can say about that. It certainly was NOT pulled due to any of the discussion about templates. Sorry about the confusion gang.

Leave it to a Lady to Break up the Boys.....THANK YOU MIRAX:thumbup :thumbup

Now Lets get back to this Template Project....

Originally Posted by Mirax H

Since there are so many wondering why the other thread was pulled, it was done so at the request of MR and that is all that I can say about that. It certainly was NOT pulled due to any of the discussion about templates. Sorry about the confusion gang.

hmm. almost sounds like we have somone from MR snooping round

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

hmm. almost sounds like we have somone from MR snooping round

I'm sure they navigate this board more often than we realize.

Steve

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

lets test that theory

THE MR HELMET WILL SUCK....THE PAINT JOB LOOKS LIKE A 6 YR OLD DID IT WITH A SHARPIE!!

OK if this thread gets erased I believe the explanation..if not then I say template conspiracy!!!

*alittle anoyed* Now why would you go & do that?

yeah really.......I think a totally new tread should be started again so all the anger wont get in the way of a very good project idea.

Originally Posted by Fett prop artist

yeah really.......I think a totally new tread should be started again so all the anger wont get in the way of a very good project idea.

your joking right? why not just delete his post? i dont wanna lose my posts or what i tyoped. this thread WAS great till 5 min ago

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

lets test that theory

THE MR HELMET WILL SUCK....THE PAINT JOB LOOKS LIKE A 6 YR OLD DID IT WITH A SHARPIE!!

OK if this thread gets erased I believe the explanation..if not then I say template conspiracy!!!

Thou shalt not tempt the mods to ban thee...

com on guys..it was a joke...dont be so sensitive

i will change it

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

your joking right? why not just delete his post? i dont wanna lose my posts or what i tyoped. this thread WAS great till 5 min ago

it was just a joke....I erased!!

Originally Posted by Mirax H

Thou shalt not tempt the mods to ban thee...

Originally Posted by Mirax H

Thou shalt not tempt the mods to ban thee...

Careful DM, Mirax is about to open a can of whoopa$$ on you!


Templates are go!

All your templates are belong to us!

i know the thread was great..i started it!!!

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

your joking right? why not just delete his post? i dont wanna lose my posts or what i tyoped. this thread WAS great till 5 min ago

YES I know....thats why I erased...I fear the darkside of me taking over...MIRAX saved me

Originally Posted by MandalorFett

Careful DM, Mirax is about to open a can of whoopa$$ on you!


Templates are go!

All your templates are belong to us!

*Sighs, puts lighting bolts back in their case and goes off in search of members who signature exceeds TDH limits*


And you might be able to erase your post but you can't erase mine where I quoted you MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

YES I know....thats why I erased...I fear the darkside of me taking over...MIRAX saved me

Chicken....

now that was funny!!

Originally Posted by Mirax H

*Sighs, puts lighting bolts back in their case and goes off in search of members who signature exceeds TDH limits*


And you might be able to erase your post but you can't erase mine where I quoted you MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote=Mirax H]*Sighs, puts lighting bolts back in their case and goes off in search of members who signature exceeds TDH limits*

very funny....next time I see you I will strike you down with my MR lightsaber!!!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Chicken....

I didn't see the original thread either, but one realistic question about templates in general. Doesn't every single helmet make make slightly different dimension helmets, in the angles and sizes and everything? One general template wouldn't fit every single Fett helmet out there.

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

very funny....next time I see you I will strike you down with my MR lightsaber!!!

I thought for sure you were going to get banned before you made it to your 200th post. .....DANG. j/k..lol!!

Originally Posted by Gonzo Fett

I was thinking the samething. Maybe once the guys get out the first temp.(I am assuming it will be an MS) we will be able to compare it on other Helmets (BM, SGB and the DP's) We can probably just do a percentage shrinkage or enlargement intructions for each of those different helms.

Originally Posted by evan4218

Trust me, I will be taking that into consideration. These can easily be stretched and resized to your hearts content to fit any buckt. I have access to almost every make of helmet outthere so I will most likely do a preset PDF that will include sizes for all and have them labled accordingly.

As for the ESB or ROTJ, I want to do Templates for both! Including the "Eyes" version!!!

here ya go Mr. Fett

2 more to 200!! banned?? OK..i admit...I have been a little fired up since the events of yesterday.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

I thought for sure you were going to get banned before you made it to your 200th post. .....DANG. j/k..lol!!

Originally Posted by DarthMiller

2 more to 200!! banned?? OK..i admit...I have been a little fired up since the events of yesterday.

yeah weren't you at like 50 post just yesterday?

Thanks, Gonzo Fett!

I CAN SEEE IT, I CAN SEE IT!!!!

Wow! A lot happened on this thread tonight!

Welcome back Fettpride!

I joined the boards, while you were away (so really didn't not know why you were away).

I hope you will stay, as all here say your name with God like reverence!

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

I CAN SEEE IT, I CAN SEE IT!!!!

Anyone working on templates, feel free to use them my page of the major silver scratches for the Panzer Olivegrun. These are sized for the Marrow Sun halmet, but should fit most Mystery helmets I'm guessing. THey aren't perfect, but they're what I used as a starting point.
http://petridish.net/pics/24228/page1.gif

Easiest method is to print these is in Photoshop, just go to File > Print with Preview, and check Scale to Fit Media. I'll try to get the rest of these done soon

I see those special glasses on your bucket DO work and you finally see the elephant! Congrats!!!

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal.

Several people have PMed/emailed me regarding this statement. For anyone that is new, or for any of you elitists... oops sorry, "senior memebers" who have forgotten, I have uploaded a large number of full resolution images from both the Mom (RotJ helmet) and AoSW (ESB Helmet) exhibits.

The link to these images is: http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/misc/tdh_ref/

When you click on this link, you will be prompted for a user name and password.

The user name is: tdhmember

The password is: ilovetdh

Hope this helps! Enjoy!