everyone should have as many "aids" as we can come up with.. i'll post some stuff when i get something worked out as well. i also manage some servers so i can see how we can set up something if they do come out as a useful aid, to help keep things easy in one place for everyone to access.
Bucket Painting TEMPLATES
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DL44 Blaster
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DarthMiller said:
Not mine....ALL BY HAND BABY! I used a pencil to outline and get my scratches as "near perfect" before painting each and every scratch.
Andy
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MARROW SUN said:I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers)
It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.
So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic
Same here MS I’m pretty impartial on the subject as well, variations in technique, proficiency, ability and talent all are variables no two people can produce the same piece of art simply because each individual will have a slightly different interpretation based on preference, knowledge even if they both used same reference.
My buddy and me are both illustrators using the same tools of the trade, we share some of the same knowledge and materials and reference. However we both differ greatly in style and technique simple because we both have variations in personality and skill.
Based on the hypothesis constructed here, templates sound advantageous and relatively cool, I use loads of reference material when I’m working on an illustrations or my comic, it’s just a small tool to assist in creativity that can’t replace time and patience, the sheer satisfaction I get from drawing something from scratch is indescribable and rewarding.
The same goes with buckets so much goes into it I wouldn’t think a uniform template couldn’t reasonable ever replace the pleasure of making it by hand.
You may never get the same results from a template than you would by hand because of the individuality and personality brought to each bucket by the person, that something I admire and respect deeply from everyone that has every done a Fett bucket here.
The finished product would always vary.
Spideyfett
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DL44 Blaster said:
MAN!! I always love seeing Pics of your Bucket!!
......wait that sounded kinda weird..
DL44 Blaster
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Brak's Buddy said:
I couldn't agree with Braks more. Why would one want a copy of a copy....an interpretation at that. It's not as if these templates were laid over the actual ESB Hero and taken from that directly. Even if they were,the differences in each artist's helmet would prove different challenges in making a blanket template fit. While these templates may be good for key outlines and signature scratches it still doesn't provide a panacea for painting a screen accurate bucket. Not to mention if you didn't have the template perfectly oriented to where the scratch should be,....it'll be "off".
I too was tempted early on by using others' buckets as reference,but came to the realization that they just weren't THE bucket I should be using as reference,no matter how accurate the paintjob is. The original is what we're trying to recreate,not a fan made version. If that was the case and one kept copying another then in about 10 versions down you'd think a '97 DP was screen accurate
The reference in the TDH archive is so abundant in picture definition that it is really the best guide available IMHO. While templates would definitely help with the speed of painting a bucket,I just think that it too would provide its own set of unique problems.
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Spideyfett
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MARROW SUN said:
....so true..Jun Garros Fett
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Will this template project be for just the ESB helmet? Or will templates be made for the ROTJ helmet too?
The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.
OT but somewhat related is the latest offerings in decals for some model airplanes. Pre printed camoflage decals. Especially nice for WW I biplane models with their complex patterns.
The only problem i see with making templates is the size variations in the helmets produced. Be it MS or BM or SGB or even maybe a DP 95 or DP deluxe. All different size. Dome shape/curve also has to be condsidered.
OT but somewhat related is the latest offerings in decals for some model airplanes. Pre printed camoflage decals. Especially nice for WW I biplane models with their complex patterns.
Gonzo Fett
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Jun Garros Fett said:
I was thinking the samething. Maybe once the guys get out the first temp.(I am assuming it will be an MS) we will be able to compare it on other Helmets (BM, SGB and the DP's) We can probably just do a percentage shrinkage or enlargement intructions for each of those different helms.
Trust me, I will be taking that into consideration. These can easily be stretched and resized to your hearts content to fit any buckt. I have access to almost every make of helmet outthere so I will most likely do a preset PDF that will include sizes for all and have them labled accordingly.
As for the ESB or ROTJ, I want to do Templates for both! Including the "Eyes" version!!!
As for the ESB or ROTJ, I want to do Templates for both! Including the "Eyes" version!!!
Spideyfett
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Ripcode said:
I think that's a whole other thread all together....
Jangos kid
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In relation to the question about using the templates for topical painting, couldn't you do either????? I mean, first you cut out the template, then you will have 2 different parts. You can either use the part that you cut out, meaning the representation of the scratch, or you can use the section which has the scratch cut out of it. If you want to do topical, you lay the piece with the section cut out out of it, and apply the paint topically in the cut out area. OR....you could use a different approach. Paint the bucket siver first, then when dry, apply all your lifesize cuttouts, then spray the next color. Of course with this method you would have to arrange all the cut out pieces of the templates yourself. Then there is still one more option you could try if you don't want topicall. After you have your template in place, (the one with the scatches cut out of it) Instead of painting your silver in, use liqiuid mask to fill in the area. Then remove your masking template, and you'll be left with all your damage liquid masked in. Spray over the top with your paint. Make sense???
fettpride
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Ok guys, slow down a bit. I haven't been looking at the forum since the MR Thread was yanked last night ...
How about a chance to address this? I have NOT read all of this CURRENT thread yet, but I will, as soon as I have time today, so if anything I'm about to say is redundant, go easy on me.
There are NO SECRET TEMPLATES. The only thing that could be considered a "Secret" is that myself and a few others on this board have been using this method for years. This is not to say that "Others" besides us haven't been using them too.
As I said in the thread that got "yanked" (no way to prove it I suppose, mods can quote me, but I cannot) is not to get me wrong, hand painting achieves some wonderful results, but it is still, by hand, and the human hand is "less perfect" than a computer generated template.
Was I saying that that painting by hand is worthless? Absolutely not ! My point to all of this was simply, this is how MR is going to have to do it to get the same results on a infinite number of helmets to maintain "Consistency".
But, I personally believe, that if you have a choice of many months of blood, sweat, tears, and eye strain, vs. computer generated assistance, anyone with any common sense would choose to use the "Assistance" if trying to achieve the best results for your effort.
This has been COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. I was conversating with another member just last evening (Spideyfett), telling him that I WILL MOST DEFINATELY BE POSTING THESE TEMPLATES for everyone to use ...
The problem is, I didn't have time to address anything after the MR Thread was "yanked". "Spideyfett" I'm sure will come right in and VERIFY that these were my intentions .. for the good of the board. Am I going to charge for them? Hell no Perhaps now I should address why these templates have not been talked about before ...
Truth is, "Template Talk" has been around for YEARS on this board. It comes up every so often ... but no one has ever taken the time to get the project started. As with any "Good Idea" ... they floating around in the air for anyone to "Grab". Just because I thought of it earlier than Joe Blow, and John Hancock thought of it long before "Me" ... must say something ... it's no different than someone "Inventing" an new product, nd can't get it patented fast enough before someone else comes up with an identical idea ..make sense? Perhaps I should have put these templates out before, sure. But there are "Others" that could have too ... there's no need to 'Witch Hunt" me.
C'mon ppl, I haven't been around here in months for reasons I have already expressed about my health. Now I'm alerted to this thread today and it feels like I've been "Called Out" by "Other Senior Members" for something that someone ran with, and jumped the gun. From some of what I skimmed over in this thread, it even feels as if though I've been indirectly insulted.
This was never meant to go like this. I should have kept my mouth shut I suppose. It boggles my mind that something like this can get soo blown out of proportion, and be taken so damn seriously.
There is no 'Secret Society", and there is absolutely nothing intentionally "ELITEST" going on here. NO conspiracy.
Would templates have made life easier for everyone? Absolutely. But I don't think that anyone should be holding me single handedly "responsible" because templates haven't been provided to the boards ... there is a lot of work involved. And it took some serious time to get them right. But of course, it's already been pointed out that my paintjobs aren't "Perfect", so indeed, why would anyone want "MY" templates ?? Great point ... thanks for that :cheers
Again, I already told "Spideyfett" privately that I was going to make these available ... I just didn't have enough time in the last 24 hours to bring them out .. ? Ease up a little, will ya?
If the original thread still existed, it would be obvious that I was never "Bashing" those that hand paint their buckets ... this is ridiculous. I said just the opposite. I did however, say that I personally thought templates were the best way to go. I just don't get it. In fact, I even stated that it still takes a ton of talent to get templates to go together right, or else you end up with something looking like a cartoon. So I tried my damndest not to offend any artist out there that use them too.
How can I win with you ppl?
I've been back here for a day ... and a thread is already yanked that I participated in. Everyone was getting along great. At least I thought so. I try to be nice .. and yet I still get things blowing up in my face ... I have already made an inquiry to "The Dent" to find out if the thread was "yanked" because of something I did ... and have yet to get a response.
This is one of those times that I seriously feel like I should have never come back Does that sound a little on the 'Drama Queen" side? Absolutely .... but this thread says a lot. Why am I still being treated like this by the staff? What have I done?
Mods ... perhaps the "Original MR Helmet Thread" should be put back up and locked, so that people can see that I never "Bashed" anyone? Why is it exactly that you can quote exerpts from me, but not allow everyone to see the full context?
Thanks for the welcome back guys ... :facepalm
FP
How about a chance to address this? I have NOT read all of this CURRENT thread yet, but I will, as soon as I have time today, so if anything I'm about to say is redundant, go easy on me.
There are NO SECRET TEMPLATES. The only thing that could be considered a "Secret" is that myself and a few others on this board have been using this method for years. This is not to say that "Others" besides us haven't been using them too.
As I said in the thread that got "yanked" (no way to prove it I suppose, mods can quote me, but I cannot) is not to get me wrong, hand painting achieves some wonderful results, but it is still, by hand, and the human hand is "less perfect" than a computer generated template.
Was I saying that that painting by hand is worthless? Absolutely not ! My point to all of this was simply, this is how MR is going to have to do it to get the same results on a infinite number of helmets to maintain "Consistency".
But, I personally believe, that if you have a choice of many months of blood, sweat, tears, and eye strain, vs. computer generated assistance, anyone with any common sense would choose to use the "Assistance" if trying to achieve the best results for your effort.
This has been COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. I was conversating with another member just last evening (Spideyfett), telling him that I WILL MOST DEFINATELY BE POSTING THESE TEMPLATES for everyone to use ...
The problem is, I didn't have time to address anything after the MR Thread was "yanked". "Spideyfett" I'm sure will come right in and VERIFY that these were my intentions .. for the good of the board. Am I going to charge for them? Hell no
Perhaps now I should address why these templates have not been talked about before ...Truth is, "Template Talk" has been around for YEARS on this board. It comes up every so often ... but no one has ever taken the time to get the project started. As with any "Good Idea" ... they floating around in the air for anyone to "Grab". Just because I thought of it earlier than Joe Blow, and John Hancock thought of it long before "Me" ... must say something ... it's no different than someone "Inventing" an new product, nd can't get it patented fast enough before someone else comes up with an identical idea ..make sense? Perhaps I should have put these templates out before, sure. But there are "Others" that could have too ... there's no need to 'Witch Hunt" me.
C'mon ppl, I haven't been around here in months for reasons I have already expressed about my health. Now I'm alerted to this thread today and it feels like I've been "Called Out" by "Other Senior Members" for something that someone ran with, and jumped the gun. From some of what I skimmed over in this thread, it even feels as if though I've been indirectly insulted.
This was never meant to go like this. I should have kept my mouth shut I suppose. It boggles my mind that something like this can get soo blown out of proportion, and be taken so damn seriously.
There is no 'Secret Society", and there is absolutely nothing intentionally "ELITEST" going on here. NO conspiracy.
Would templates have made life easier for everyone? Absolutely. But I don't think that anyone should be holding me single handedly "responsible" because templates haven't been provided to the boards ... there is a lot of work involved. And it took some serious time to get them right. But of course, it's already been pointed out that my paintjobs aren't "Perfect", so indeed, why would anyone want "MY" templates ?? Great point ... thanks for that :cheers
Again, I already told "Spideyfett" privately that I was going to make these available ... I just didn't have enough time in the last 24 hours to bring them out .. ? Ease up a little, will ya?
If the original thread still existed, it would be obvious that I was never "Bashing" those that hand paint their buckets ... this is ridiculous. I said just the opposite. I did however, say that I personally thought templates were the best way to go. I just don't get it. In fact, I even stated that it still takes a ton of talent to get templates to go together right, or else you end up with something looking like a cartoon. So I tried my damndest not to offend any artist out there that use them too.
How can I win with you ppl?
I've been back here for a day ... and a thread is already yanked that I participated in. Everyone was getting along great. At least I thought so. I try to be nice .. and yet I still get things blowing up in my face ... I have already made an inquiry to "The Dent" to find out if the thread was "yanked" because of something I did ... and have yet to get a response.
This is one of those times that I seriously feel like I should have never come back
Does that sound a little on the 'Drama Queen" side? Absolutely .... but this thread says a lot. Why am I still being treated like this by the staff? What have I done?Mods ... perhaps the "Original MR Helmet Thread" should be put back up and locked, so that people can see that I never "Bashed" anyone? Why is it exactly that you can quote exerpts from me, but not allow everyone to see the full context?
Thanks for the welcome back guys ... :facepalm
FP
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Gonzo Fett
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I think your reputation proceeds you FP.
I for one apologize if anything I stated came out as anything negitive. That wasn't my intention. I was just commenting to the group instead of crying for these 'secret temps' why not make our own?
I hope things get cleared up. I am sure other will agree that you are a great asset to the board.
Sorry if we left a bad taste in you mouth
I for one apologize if anything I stated came out as anything negitive. That wasn't my intention. I was just commenting to the group instead of crying for these 'secret temps' why not make our own?
I hope things get cleared up. I am sure other will agree that you are a great asset to the board.
Sorry if we left a bad taste in you mouth
FP
I don't think there's a single post on this thread that's against you or slamming you in any way shape or form. Darth just wanted to bring up the point that a lot of people didn't know that was how you and others achieved your buckets.
I have templates, I believe Spidy has some, and others as well. I made mine available, that doesn't mean any one else has to. Nobody is gonna force you to do that either. I didn't think you would make yours available simply on the fact that people can make there own, that is why I am spearheading the task of making them and tweaking them to the comments that will gather from posting them. I think this will create a new level of detail to the templates. Rais the bar if you will.
You created your own templates for your own use, thus they are yours. My idea was to create TDH templates with everyone's input. It doesn't make sense to me to just slap somebody else's hard work on my bucket. That's not what the hobby is about to me.
You shared something that people didn't realize and that inspired people to want to use this method. By all means man, post your temps if you so desire, I would love to see them and study them and so would the rest of the board. Your a great guy, all of my friends speak highly of you and you are bar none undisputed in quality. All that said, you have figured things out that others haven't.
I, just like every one else come back here every day to learn something new so the next prop I paint or put together will be of a better and higher quality, I also come to celebrate the achievements of my fellow Fett Head.
So in close, calm down FP, your admired here, nothing less!
I don't think there's a single post on this thread that's against you or slamming you in any way shape or form. Darth just wanted to bring up the point that a lot of people didn't know that was how you and others achieved your buckets.
I have templates, I believe Spidy has some, and others as well. I made mine available, that doesn't mean any one else has to. Nobody is gonna force you to do that either. I didn't think you would make yours available simply on the fact that people can make there own, that is why I am spearheading the task of making them and tweaking them to the comments that will gather from posting them. I think this will create a new level of detail to the templates. Rais the bar if you will.
You created your own templates for your own use, thus they are yours. My idea was to create TDH templates with everyone's input. It doesn't make sense to me to just slap somebody else's hard work on my bucket. That's not what the hobby is about to me.
You shared something that people didn't realize and that inspired people to want to use this method. By all means man, post your temps if you so desire, I would love to see them and study them and so would the rest of the board. Your a great guy, all of my friends speak highly of you and you are bar none undisputed in quality. All that said, you have figured things out that others haven't.
I, just like every one else come back here every day to learn something new so the next prop I paint or put together will be of a better and higher quality, I also come to celebrate the achievements of my fellow Fett Head.
So in close, calm down FP, your admired here, nothing less!
Spideyfett
Well-Known Hunter
fettpride said:This has been COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. I was conversating with another member just last evening (Spideyfett), telling him that I WILL MOST DEFINATELY BE POSTING THESE TEMPLATES for everyone to use ...
The problem is, I didn't have time to address anything after the MR Thread was "yanked". "Spideyfett" I'm sure will come right in and VERIFY that these were my intentions .. for the good of the board. Am I going to charge for them? Hell no
FP
He's right guys....I just didn't want to Break the Surprise!! Out of respect for FP it wasn't my place to tell everyone.
honestly this is GREAT NEWS People.
After this Thread I hope he still plans to release them, because it's true he doesn't have to.
We would VALUE any input that he can share with us......It's the old saying "the PROOF is in the Pudding".........and last time I checked his Buckets are one of the Best, if not the Best produced............ at least in my mind.
SO my Apologizes to all if I mis-lead anyone.
Alex.
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fettpride
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evan4218 -
Well, thanks for the sentiment I suppose. But correct me if I'm wrong, it was you that felt it necessary to add ...
I don't know you bud? Therefore, you don't know me either. Albeit your opinion, just really did not seem necessary to me at all.
You're not the only one, I know. But statements like this, get others started ... Example ...
This is BAD form. Really bad. Gonzo Fett, you really think that was necessary? That is a slam, if I ever heard one. Then you add insult to injury by taking a poke at my skills ... Bad form. What did I ever do to you? Oh, not respond to you many PM's about wanting to buy armor or something? Gee bud, I'm really sorry about that ... not sure why I couldn't get around to spending my days in the shop making armor components for you, while my guts were hanging outside of my body? Did you happen to hear ANYTHING about me being out of commission for the last "MANY MONTHS"? Perhaps you should really keep comments like this to yourself before taking a poke at them on the boards ... Bad Form.
So in case ANYONE is in doubt about why I have not been johnny on the spot? I have had two (2) surgeries in 10 months. I posted about the first surgery, even posted pics of me in the hospital for the skeptics. I never recovered from the first. had to go in for a second 3 weeks ago. Seeker knows about that one ... or would it be best that I posted pics of me in the hospital that week too? I can ... I had my wife take some for such an occassion ...
Seriously ridiculous.
I have a life outside of TDH ppl. In fact, I've been fighting for it for months.
I came back home to TDH yesterday (I thought).
Have some common sense, please?
FP
Well, thanks for the sentiment I suppose. But correct me if I'm wrong, it was you that felt it necessary to add ...
evan4218 said:
I don't know you bud? Therefore, you don't know me either. Albeit your opinion, just really did not seem necessary to me at all.
You're not the only one, I know. But statements like this, get others started ... Example ...
Gonzo Fett said:
This is BAD form. Really bad. Gonzo Fett, you really think that was necessary? That is a slam, if I ever heard one. Then you add insult to injury by taking a poke at my skills ... Bad form. What did I ever do to you? Oh, not respond to you many PM's about wanting to buy armor or something? Gee bud, I'm really sorry about that ... not sure why I couldn't get around to spending my days in the shop making armor components for you, while my guts were hanging outside of my body? Did you happen to hear ANYTHING about me being out of commission for the last "MANY MONTHS"? Perhaps you should really keep comments like this to yourself before taking a poke at them on the boards ... Bad Form.
So in case ANYONE is in doubt about why I have not been johnny on the spot? I have had two (2) surgeries in 10 months. I posted about the first surgery, even posted pics of me in the hospital for the skeptics. I never recovered from the first. had to go in for a second 3 weeks ago. Seeker knows about that one ... or would it be best that I posted pics of me in the hospital that week too? I can ... I had my wife take some for such an occassion ...
Seriously ridiculous.
I have a life outside of TDH ppl. In fact, I've been fighting for it for months.
I came back home to TDH yesterday (I thought).
Have some common sense, please?
FP
fettpride
Well-Known Hunter
Tylerdurden, Brak's Buddy -
I just re-read the thread, and your responses. My apologies that I misread your comments. I do in fact understand that you were making a point about "Do-it-Yourslf", as well as validating why some share, and some do not, ect. I won't edit my post above, simply because I said it, it was misunderstood, and I keeping it available for everyone to read.
Thanks for your level headedness
FP
I just re-read the thread, and your responses. My apologies that I misread your comments. I do in fact understand that you were making a point about "Do-it-Yourslf", as well as validating why some share, and some do not, ect. I won't edit my post above, simply because I said it, it was misunderstood, and I keeping it available for everyone to read.
Thanks for your level headedness
FP
