Bucket Painting TEMPLATES

smacking someone else's temps on your bucket instead of hand painting every detail seems easier imo...

never seen or used any temps here other then TK-409's killstripes.

Got Maul said:

lol !!

Well, the way I see it, we could gripe about the "secrecy" of these things or we could get on the horse and make some ourselves...Me, I am a builder...let's do it !

Where is Wizardofflight !? He's got great skill and a great eye for 3D manipulation into 2D flat stencils... put it on sticky back and you're all set !

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I was going to start working on my own templates as that seemed the best place to start for someone with zero paint experience such as myself. If these are available, let's spread the wealth TDH. I popped this out in about 30 minutes, and I know it's not EXACTLY right but for 30 minutes its a good start. There's got to be some better Photoshop'rs out there up to this challenge.

-Chad

evan4218 said:

One thing I wanted to add but forgot, just my opinion, but I doubt that FP will share his templates with us. Not saying he is mean, or holding back, I just dont think that will happen. I woudl think he would share how he prints then, cuts them, ect. But chances are slim he will post them.

I would be up to the challenge to use my graphic design skills to help develop them, perhaps we can make a project out of this. Anythoughts local guys? (Looking in Darth and Spidys dirrection)

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I totally agree w/ this. He isn't going to offer them to us. I mean look how hard it is to get him just to PM you back. "Forget about it"
But I do agree w/ Maul we have some talented folks here on TDH such as WOL. I know if all you guys put your heads together you can create better temps than these guys have.

"if you can't join 'em ...than out do 'em"

While I'm all for the idea of sharing in this community let's all keep in mind that its not a REQUIREMENT for someone to do so.

I personally would LOVE an accurate template to use but lack the know-how to make one so I'll have to settle for painting my projects by hand like I've done in the past.

Gonzo Fett said:

I totally agree w/ this. He isn't going to offer them to us. I mean look how hard it is to get him just to PM you back. "Forget about it"
But I do agree w/ Maul we have some talented folks here on TDH such as WOL. I know if all you guys put your heads together you can create better temps than these guys have.

"if you can't join 'em ...than out do 'em"

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You nailed it Gonzo.

This is the thing that I don't understand in that a lot of these statements made are made from a position that idolizes a one true design that was years ago - People keep stating that its a senor members secret versus US type scenario. My question is, yes, these are technically senors but are you also stating that only THEIR helmets nailed the details of the Fett helmet...that THEIR templates are the ONLY templates that define the fett.

The last I looked, they have as much access to resource photos as the rest of us do and even the same paints..

My point is, the playing field is level when it comes to paint jobs and its probably the only level playing field we have in the Fett hobby. In armor, there's FP and the rest. In helmets, its MS and the rest...but in paint jobs and detail, people, its a level playing field and its no use bantering whether someone will divulge or share his/her templates- dare I say, with the collective effort, we could probably even streamline the process more !

anyhow, y'all get my point - I just hate the senor vs US talk that goes on, especially in such an area that people new or old have continued to demonstrate the SAME level of excellence in paint jobs w/ or w/o "special" or secret templates.

come on guys. i think they can be very valuable to get a very close to screen accurate helmet. i find it funny that there seems to be some resistance on using some templates to get "scratch" area down on the helmet, yet everyone has nothing but praise and kick butt comments on tk409's kill stripe templates. call me crazy, but those are templates used in the same fashion as what scratch templates would be used for.

bottom line if you have no painting skills a template isnt going to make you a great painter. if you have skills they will help get a more accurate finished product. i own a creative firm here in socal, so with my graphic and computer skills i was going to try and take a stab at getting some templates put together for my helmet (when i get it and i find time to actually paint it) (MS3 on the way!!!)

i think it will help raise the bar of everyone to have them avaliable, so when i give them a go and if it works or helps i'll post them up for anyone to use if there is interest.

SlaveR5

ok, ok...you've talked me into it...here's the proto for your templates...




I keed - I keed!!!

Just wanted to show it off a little


womo

I've got no strong opinion either way on this topic. I painted a very nice hemet BY HAND and it was excutionating. It could have been better if I traced some screen shots but the gratification of completing the project myself was worth it.
I'm not opposed to trying out templetes sounds like fun. I too agree you still need painting talent to tie it all together. You could give 100 TDH'ers the same helmet, paint, templetes and reference material and you'll still get 100 different helmets with a small percentage turning out on top.(Hey jsut like the clone troopers )

It's just like cooking and any great chef will tell you, you can tell someone all the ingredients in a recipe, even stand by there side and tell them how too cook it but it will never come out tasting as good.

So basically what I'm saying is you can give the people the templets but you still are going to need the time, skill and patients to pull it all off. OH! And you better examine these new helmet from 10 Feet away since the battle damage will all be topical and quite unrealistic

Good point man.
Topical sux.
Didn't even consider that.

Propcicle, that photo you posted is essentially what my teplates look like, although only for the silver layer. I'm painting my helmet so I'm not done yet, but when I am I'll go back and clean everything up and make them printer-friendly. Just been way too busy to get them done now.

I'll let some other people with experience using stencils chime in, but in my experience they are an immense help with sizing and positioning, but the human factor still comes takes over the majority of work - you have to cut the stencils out with an exacto knife, so you lose some detail, then trace the shape in pencil, and then you still have to paint it by hand. Unless this was done with an adhesive-backed sheet, in which case the tracing in pencil could be skipped I suppose.

Maybe I missed something, though I read the thread before it was deleted. I'm not really sure what this talk is of "scanning helmets" to make" secret templates" for all the scratches. Like I said, at least I found them to be a big help, but they are not as simple as printing them out and slapping on the helmet and having a perfect paintjob. I don't think there should be any conflict for people to make theirs available. If they want to, then they should be free to, if not it's their choice.

:cheers

yes, still needs to be some skills there. templates can only be an aide.. not a replacement.... they are not going to paint detail for you.. just help with size and position.

I think what started as a joke has gotten slightly out of hand. FP statement "And I'm not the only known Fett Helmet painter that does ... The secret is out !! " Several jestful comments were exchanged referencing "super secret templates." It's the kind of phrase that you could easily substitute for "the third gun man on the grass knoll."

There is no secret set of templates, at least not my knowledge. I thought many painters here were already using their own templates, created from the same tour pictures we all have access to, and templates were already common knowledge, as evidenced by Fett Full of Dollars thread.

Again, I just think what started out as a joke has evolved into a bit of a conspiracy theory where by using the secret template you can become a xerox painter overnight. As Marrow Sun said, the template is only a small part of the paint process; it is a tool just like masking fluid

I am totally baffled by some of the points being made in this thread, but it is not new to see the "us/them" issue pop up again. In the past it has been labelled an "elitism" issue and for some reason, certain individuals feel like they are owed ALL info. They are mistaken in this belief of what they are owed. As webchief pointed out, while TDH is all about sharing and everyone is encouraged to share, there is no requirement for it and therefore no real leg for any of us to stand on in regard to complaining about someone not sharing a particular method or piece of info.

In my time here, I have come to see that info is withheld for a number of reasons.
-Sometimes it is due to obligation. Someone shares info and asks you not to share it.
-Someimes it is due to financial reasons. Someone who sells items discovers a new method for achieving greater accuracy and wants to keep it secret to have one-up on the competition. Or,someone makes a discovery of a found item and holds on to that information so he and his friends can attain copies of that item before it is made public knowledge and the price goes through the roof.
-Sometimes it is for the glory. "I know something you don't know!" -Sometimes it is because they have shared something in the past and gotten burned on it. I know one individual who shared information with the board and was crapped all over for his efforts and he swore never to do it again. I know another who made information available about a particular discovery and later someone else took credit for that discovery.

While we may not, on a personal level, agree with all of these reasons for not sharing, they are all valid.

There seems to be an indication here that the thread was pulled last night because of this HUGE TEMPLATE SECRET. While, I won't speak for the administration, that seems utterly ridiculous because:
-I have never seen the mods pull a thread due to info given.
-Rogue Studios and FP (no, I don't mind naming them) clearly appeared to be joking about it being a "secret."
-What would be gained by pulling the thread after so many had already read about the templates.
-If it was pulled due to the template info, this thread would not be allowed to continue.

Honestly, the whole template thing is NOT even a secret. Just because something is not publicly posted does not make it a secret. It simply isn't knowledge that had been shared on the board yet.

Some also seem to be hinting that using templates is cheating or an easy way out or that it "explains" why some people have such amazing paint jobs. Actually it is "building a better mousetrap." If FP and Rogue Studios and others have discovered a method for more accurately painting their helmets, more power to them. Perhaps they will share more of their thoughts on this process and help others along as well, but if they choose not to, that is their business and I don't see where anyone has a right to give them grief about it.

Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.

Brak's Buddy said:

Also, as GotMaul pointed out, while both FP and RS's helmets are some of the best out there, neither are perfect representations. Why would you want their templates? That would be like a copy of a copy. I have made hundreds of high resolution reference pictures available to EVERYONE for FREE, showing virutally every corner and angle of the ESB and ROtJ helmets. Why not go to the source instead of petitioning "senior memebers" for their interpretations of the orignal. I think a group project to make a set of templates would be AWESOME and who is to say that the templates made by that group couldn't be even better and more accurate than what the senior members have.

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Those are the photos I used when I painted my helmet last summer. I used a 'modified template' method for painting, using the incredible detail visible in those photos, and it worked great!
Like others have mentioned above, just because you have a 'map' of all the scratches/damage, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a perfect reproduction of the screen-used bucket.

Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.

SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!

Brak's Buddy said:

SWEETNESS! I think this will be an AWESOME group project!

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Or maybe those that have it done already can be a part of that same "group Project" too and just share what they have done.....Like RS, FP, AFF$ and anyone else that has templates.....
I know I know they don't HAVE to.....but if it's already done...

that's just me..

And thanks for stepping up EVAN4218.. I will help you as best as I can too...PM sent.

evan4218 said:

Braks, I couldnt agree with you more. Thats it!!! I am doing it, Over the next 6 weeks I will be working on a set and I want YOU GUYS on THD to be the critics and help me tweek and finess the templets as I produce them. Once there done I will organize them on a server to be reatily available to any who want them.

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thats what I am talking about. Man what a great TDH resource!

Thank you Evan!

Sounds great EVAN!!! Way to step up to the plate!!!! This is gonna be an awesome project! Look forward to seeing what developes.
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this sounds like its gunna be a great/fun group project.