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  1. May 17, 2005, 12:14 AM - Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #1

    Hi GUys how are you all ?

    i received my mystery bucket today in the mail and i was kind of expecting more which leaves me to believe that i may have fallen into the same trap twice...

    the bucket was for sale on ebay... claimed to be a mystery and considering no one else would reply to my plea lol i purchased this one on ebay...

    upon opening the box i noticed that the bucket is slightly warped in that the visor area, or cheek one side is slightly more forward than the other... when i look at the bucket from the bottom or the top it deffinately is warped to one side...

    is this a common trait of the mystery bucket and is this at all accurate ? i went on the assumption that mystery helmets were symmetrical...

    also some details on the bucket dont match up to the measurements that TK-409's reference measurements show... for example the top brow isnt 11mm its 12mm and the width of the visor and eyebrow and chin height dont match up... its about 46mm on the top and 49mm on the bottom...

    il try to provide pics a little bit later but for now, experts, please tell me what you think ? did i get jibbed again ?
  2. C*E*N*O*B*Y*T*E's Avatar
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    May 17, 2005, 12:46 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #2

    It's tough to tell without a pic. The mystery helmet is definitely not symetrical (none of the original helmets were, either), so some degree of warp in the Fett bucket is supposed to be there. My MS mystery helmet has the warp. If the measurements don't match up with TK409's site, it sounds like it could be a fake, or more likely, a poor quality recast. There have been alot of those on ebay lately. My recommendation to anyone would be to stay away from the recasts sold on ebay and just buy directly from MS himself. MS is one of only two people who have ever produced "original" mystery helmets, and last time I checked, the other guy hasn't offered any in quite some time. Everything else you see being claimed as a MH is a recast of one of their pieces. Not to mention, most of the recasts I've seen sold on ebay cost more than MS charges for one of his kits.

    If you could post a pic, it would make it much easier for us to tell you if yours is indeed a MH, or something else being claimed to be a MH.
  3. May 17, 2005, 1:02 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #3

    thanks for the info

    another thing ive noticed is the dome appears to slant more to one side of the rear of the helmet if you know what i mean...
    also it doesnt seem to have the apparent flair of the mystery... i dunno im feelin a bit weird about this one

    here is the pic that was supplied with the ebay auction



    let me know what you think guys
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    May 17, 2005, 1:07 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #4

    Indeed, original ILM helmets have a great deal of asymmetry, and helmets that still have some linneage to original helmets will share that asymmetry to a certain degree.

    The top-down warp you describe is inherent to real helmets. I can't really comment on the discrepancy in the measurements as the Mystery Helmets are several generations down from it's originator with several castings, recastings, and modifications done by different artisans.
  5. May 17, 2005, 1:14 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #5

    oh k... well i cut out the visor region and put the bucket on my head... it looks ok on my head...

    in regards to the range finder... the one that came with this bucket consists of stalk, and two pieces that make the range finder...the main body and a kind of lid like piece that sits on top of the range finder... it fits together nicely kind of like a battery holder and lid if you know what i mean... it doesnt slide in but it pops on top... was this style ranger finder a trait of the mystery bucket ???
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    May 17, 2005, 1:27 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #6

    Who'd you buy it from if you don't mind my asking?
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    May 17, 2005, 3:27 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #7

    Well it's definatly not one of mine. Sounds like you got yourself a genuine piece of crap.
    I know for a fact there are 2 sellers from California that have recasted the MH and are members of this board. This helmet would appear to be from 1 of those 2 members. I'd love to be more specific about who they are but we're not to "name, names"
    The ebayer you bought it from, amiafilter, uses the same crappy pictures on all of his auctions so you are never getting a true representation of the product you are purchasing. You could complain and ask for your money back on those grounds. Also he is distributing with his auctions a copy of a CD containing images that were compiled thanks to the work of Brak's Buddy(probably others I'm not aware of.) Of course it could be argued that no one owns those images except LFL but that agrument would fall apon deaf ears around here.
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    May 17, 2005, 10:12 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #8

    I was a few hours away from bidding on ebay for the same helmet. Thanks for your comments and everyone elses feedback.
  9. May 17, 2005, 10:41 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #9

    hi marrow sun,
    yes you are correct in your statement in that the id you name is the person i bought it off. thanks for confirming this... and yes the cd contains images ive never seen before, alot of behind the scenes pics as well as what apears to be Magic of Myth pictures...

    Marrow sun if you dont mind, if your willing are you able to PM me with details about your versions of the marrow sun because im willing to replace this one i now own with something of true pedigree.

    the only reason i purchased this is because i found it hard to find one from anyone else... i think you told me MS that you do have them but i never got a reply tis all good tho...

    well then i wonder if this "mystery" that i have is warped or if its supposed to be like that... mmm its all a big mystery LOL

    i did discover however that if i find the flair of the cheeks to be unsuitable i can always force them outwards more when i install the visor...

    Guys thankyou heaps for your quick replies and knowledge of this i really really appreciate it...

    Vincent
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    May 17, 2005, 10:55 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #10

    I also want to add that the only helmets out there that should have a resin copy of my rangefinder posts are the Marrow-Sun's. Anything else that sports these will be a second or third generation recast & will be smaller, have less detail & are probably mishapen from the original. I think fiberglass shrinks something like 3% or more depending on the catalyst used, so if you have a 3rd generation bucket, you are probably looking at a helmet that is 10% smaller than the original. Might as well save some money & buy a Don Post instead .
  11. May 17, 2005, 11:27 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #11

    I would agree about not purchasing a bucket from EBAY...I would recommend getting one from MarrowSun...I got one from Ebay and from MS...I would say spend your hard earned cash with MS..He does quality work and it is much lighter weight and more solid construction. My MS2 is not nearly as fragile as the ebay one I got...IMO
  12. May 17, 2005, 11:30 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #12

    ok cool
    well ive contact MS hopefully we can work something out
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    May 17, 2005, 11:57 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #13

    Revenge Of The Recasters, rated pg-13
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    May 17, 2005, 11:58 AM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #14

    By the way, I love your avatar!!!
  15. May 17, 2005, 8:12 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #15

    yea yours is wicked wicked to

    you waiting on an MR shock trooper as well ? lol
    i cant wait for my one
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    May 17, 2005, 8:23 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #16

    Time to play another round of
    NAME
    THAT
    BUCKET

    Last week it was a FP, who will it be this week?
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    May 17, 2005, 8:29 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #17

    Looks like a DP deluxe recaste to me.
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    May 17, 2005, 8:45 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #18

    Quote shortimer52 said:
    Time to play another round of
    NAME
    THAT
    BUCKET

    Last week it was a FP, who will it be this week?
    I WANNA PLAY!!!

    "I GOT ONE I GOT ONE!!!!!!"


    NAME THIS BUCKET!!!!

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    May 17, 2005, 8:55 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #19

    Does your helmet by any chance have a flat spot in the center of the forehead right next to the dent?
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    May 17, 2005, 9:22 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #20

    Quote Spideyfett said:
    I WANNA PLAY!!!

    "I GOT ONE I GOT ONE!!!!!!"


    NAME THIS BUCKET!!!!

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!

    What kind of madness is that?
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    May 17, 2005, 10:09 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #21

    Quote shortimer52 said:
    OMG!!!!!!!!!!

    What kind of madness is that?

    AHHHHH.......................I have no Idea????
    I think the Guy told me he made it out of Paper Mashe (sp)???
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    May 17, 2005, 10:28 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #22

    Quote Spideyfett said:
    AHHHHH.......................I have no Idea????
    I think the Guy told me he made it out of Paper Mashe (sp)???

    Well he gave it a shot, got to give him that much.
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    May 17, 2005, 10:37 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #23

    Well your bucket (TOP) looks like my bucket(BOTTOM), I love my bucket . May not be a perfect shape BUT it's mine. Almost looks like it was pulled form the same thing. Toss some paint on it and it will look as good as the last pic.

    Quote AFettFullofDollars said:
    Does your helmet by any chance have a flat spot in the center of the forehead right next to the dent?
    He talking about my helmet. Since he did such a :thumbupGREAT:thumbup job painting mine. And saw a lot more then what I could see.

    Must talk to him as AFettFullofDollars the Great.
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    May 17, 2005, 10:59 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #24

    I have the same helmet. When I got it I was very unhappy to say the least. The craftsmanship was very poor. It was very thin. I was in the process of getting my money back when I left it on the edge of a table and my dog knocked it off. It broke, cracked the back of the dome open. I believe in the I break I buy thing. So I kept it, spent time applying bondo, then I put another layer of thin fiber glass in it to make it stronger. I would advise this if you keep the helmet. They coffee table mine fell off of is only 2 1/2 feet high above carpet of all things. I'm still in the process of painting it, but I agree with shorttimer that once you get paint on it it looks much better. However if you can get your money back and get a helmet here on the board, do it. I've had horrible luck on ebay, and very good luck with things I've aquired through members here. Just my 2 cents.
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    May 17, 2005, 11:08 PM - Re: Is this bucket a mystery bucket ? #25

    Quote mcdennis said:
    So I kept it, spent time applying bondo, then I put another layer of thin fiber glass in it to make it stronger. I would advise this if you keep the helmet.

    YUP,, first thing I did was fiberglass it, was really thin!!!! Ask AFettFullofDollars how bad of a fiberglass job I did

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