BM Helmet Sculpt

You look at the pics and photos and base your own conclusions.
This is not something that just popped up out of no where. It is something I have been continuously asked about as well as many others from the looks of it.
So, I am just saying, it doesn't look good.
 
Sorry mate, I think thats a little too sitting-on-the-fence of an answer...

considering some of the Judgemental and condemming comments people have come out with, I didn't think this question would be that hard to answer?...

and it was a simple enough question...

again is that a ...........NO?

Mason....
 
MARROW SUN said:
Why on a helmet that you've spent so much time reproducing with "laser" accuracy would you intentionally make your dent inaccurate? It doesn't make sense to use the MSH-2 dent as reference for your sculpt when it is WELL known the mystery helmet has the precise characteristics?! Oh and what the heck are you trying to point out with that "thickness" line between the two helmets. Obviously the MSH-2 visor section is trimmed out on that picture, what point are you trying to make? Is your helmet going to be intentionally that thick in the visor section? That wouldn't be accurate either. The reason for why the MS2 helmet comes through so thick in the visor section is the way I've clayed in the visor and mandibles as do some other helmets available.

I know I just did laundry but why is it I still smell socks?:lol:

I guess the point many people are trying to make is, if your so darn good at making all this stuff, why do you ever need to buy anything if your not going to use it for your costume? Why buy BKBT stalk if its so easy to make one ??????? Why buy a MLC RF if you can make your own? Why buy anyones helmet if you can make your own ?????????

OK, firstly I have never stated that I used laser technology for the helmet (that was for the knees), I said I used "digital technology". I can use existing digital images and trace shapes and scale them correctly then print off templates.

I bought an aluminium RF Stalk because the one I got from you was bending under the weight of the solid RF! I don't want start dissing anybody here, but you did ask! The aluminium one wasn't the shape I wanted (as previously stated) so I sculpted my own and used metal to strengthen it.

As I have already stated, this helmet is intended to represent the film image that I love, I don't want it to have the dent that you have or the Mystery has, I like this dent!

The thickness marks on the pictures are there to help show the differences between my helmet and the MSH2. There was speculation that I may have recast the MSH2 or its dent, I am simply trying to answer the questions.

I have bought a lot of stuff for my costume, most of which has been excellent. But, I am always looking to better my costume and as I learn more and more about it the only way to improve it sometimes is to build the parts myself.

Please forgive my ignorance here, but am I correct in assuming that you bought your original helmet from eBay and added to it and then made a mold? Surely this is the EXACT reason that I am getting slagged off here... People saying that this helmet and other work is not my own. It just seems ironic, one rule for one etc. If this is not the case then please correct me.
 
Look, if you are looking for a clear cut black and white answer, your not going to get it. Reason being is that the topic is being discussed and the areas of concern are being debated and answered.
I am sorry if that is not a good enough answer for you but it is the only one I have to offer!


Master-Jedi-Allma said:
Sorry mate, I think thats a little too sitting-on-the-fence of an answer...

considering some of the Judgemental and condemming comments people have come out with, I didn't think this question would be that hard to answer?...

and it was a simple enough question...

again is that a ...........NO?

Mason....
 
I think the main reason was to inquire about the similarities, as well as the coincidences surrounding the developments and upgrades this bucket has gone through. We have only been shown the pics that BM has posted himself.
If you want a reason as to why we are inquiring, use that nice little scroll button on your mouse and check out the the pictures above. Step outside the box and take a look at what we're sitting in. There are alot of people, myself included, that have seen the pics he posted, we've heard or seen some of the purchase he has made, and wondered why after buying a bucket from another member, that he has a new bucket sculpt.

I am not accusing anyone. I have not in any earlier posts accused anyone. But here is my line of thought. If I bought a helmet from a local member and then made my own from scratch it is logical that I would use it in some way, shape, or form. Would I just use pics and scan them, scale them and have them all over the place and NOT USE the actual helmet that I have in hand? NOT even for reference? Not even once to check shape, or size, or anything else? And the second you do pick it up and alter yours in any way(big or small) you should make mention of what you have used to make that bucket.

It is a nice looking helmet, a very impressive piece.
*EDIT*
Read your reply on the other thread. I thank you for the info and stand, it's a very nice bucket.
 
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If I made a fake watch and sold it to someone...

who in turn thought...
"its good but I could make a better fake watch MORE like the real watch"...
and does, then sells them to someone different...

who in turn thinks..
"its better than those OTHER fake watches, but I could make a better fake watch EVEN MORE like the real watch...
and does, then sells them to someone different again...

who in turn thinks...
and so on and so on...

Does the first fake watch maker have a right to say...
"you cant make a BETTER fake watch than the one I sold you!"...
"It was MY fake watch that insipred you to make your fake watch!"

Surely the only person who has a right to complain is the person who designed and made the REAL watch!...

Get my drift?...

Mason...
 
Why on earth are we lining Bobamaker up for the firing squad here? He is a respected member of TDH and he makes some of the most accurate Boba fett stuff out there.

And now the guy takes on the ultimate task, to scratch build his own helmet, and you shoot the guy down in flames.

Hello?

Look closer guys, his lid looks nothing like any of the others out there. The modifications he has made and shown in his posts show that this is perhaps one of the best you are going to get.

And while we are on the subject. Why aren't we questioning where Marrow Sun's helmet came from originally?

If we are gonna start questioning 'origins' here, let's start with a guy who has had the 'movie accurate' monopoly for a while now.

Seems to me that Marrow Sun is steamed because his 'rework' he is currently touting looks a poor comparison to the BM in many aspects.

You guys are always so quick to judge someone for having a go at making something great.

You only have to look at some of the comments on BKBT's New Jango lid thread. Shoot a guy down for trying to make something cool.

This kind of stuff makes me ashamed to be a fan.
:(
 
Master-Jedi-Allma said:
If I made a fake watch and sold it to someone...

who in turn thought...
"its good but I could make a better fake watch MORE like the real watch"...
and does, then sells them to someone different...

who in turn thinks..
"its better than those OTHER fake watches, but I could make a better fake watch EVEN MORE like the real watch...
and does, then sells them to someone different again...

who in turn thinks...
and so on and so on...

Does the first fake watch maker have a right to say...
"you cant make a BETTER fake watch than the one I sold you!"...
"It was MY fake watch that insipred you to make your fake watch!"

Surely the only person who has a right to complain is the person who designed and made the REAL watch!...

Get my drift?...

Mason...


Yes...I get it!
You love fake watches but it is irrelevant to this situation.
 
Prymer13 said:
I think the main reason was to inquire about the similarities, as well as the coincidences surrounding the developments and upgrades this bucket has gone through. We have only been shown the pics that BM has posted himself.
If you want a reason as to why we are inquiring, use that nice little scroll button on your mouse and check out the the pictures above. Step outside the box and take a look at what we're sitting in. There are alot of people, myself included, that have seen the pics he posted, we've heard or seen some of the purchase he has made, and wondered why after buying a bucket from another member, that he has a new bucket sculpt.

I am not accusing anyone. I have not in any earlier posts accused anyone. But here is my line of thought. If I bought a helmet from a local member and then made my own from scratch it is logical that I would use it in some way, shape, or form. Would I just use pics and scan them, scale them and have them all over the place and NOT USE the actual helmet that I have in hand? NOT even for reference? Not even once to check shape, or size, or anything else? And the second you do pick it up and alter yours in any way(big or small) you should make mention of what you have used to make that bucket.

It is a nice looking helmet, a very impressive piece.
*EDIT*
Read your reply on the other thread. I thank you for the info and stand, it's a very nice bucket.

Hey, I appreciate your less aggressive approach.

I have just posted some answers on the other thread in "Sarlacc Pit" that Brak's started. I state what helmets I have owned, where they are, what measurements I used to make this sculpt etc.

Hopefully this will answer some of your concerns.
 
Helmetman said:
Why on earth are we lining Bobamaker up for the firing squad here? He is a respected member of TDH and he makes some of the most accurate Boba fett stuff out there.

And now the guy takes on the ultimate task, to scratch build his own helmet, and you shoot the guy down in flames.

Hello?

Look closer guys, his lid looks nothing like any of the others out there. The modifications he has made and shown in his posts show that this is perhaps one of the best you are going to get.

And while we are on the subject. Why aren't we questioning where Marrow Sun's helmet came from originally?

If we are gonna start questioning 'origins' here, let's start with a guy who has had the 'movie accurate' monopoly for a while now.

Seems to me that Marrow Sun is steamed because his 'rework' he is currently touting looks a poor comparison to the BM in many aspects.

You guys are always so quick to judge someone for having a go at making something great.

You only have to look at some of the comments on BKBT's New Jango lid thread. Shoot a guy down for trying to make something cool.

This kind of stuff makes me ashamed to be a fan.
:(

I apologize if the flag was raised and the questions asked of BM have put you off. It is definately not the norm around here. I know you have only been a member here for a little over a week and you'll soon realize that this board does have a wealth of knowledge and help.
Prop building is a definate world of criticizm especially within the message boards. Your never going to please everyone.
There are however poor practices that DO go on and it is always a good idea to keep an eye out for them. Those types of poor practices are what gives this hobby a bad name.
BM is doing a good job of answering the questions being asked of him in the other thread and it is staying cival over there.
 
E2K13 said:
Yes...I get it!
You love fake watches but it is irrelevant to this situation.

I actually dont like fake watches...
Im a watchmaker and wear a "REAL" Omega 007 watch...
the limited to 10,007 made worldwide officially....watch...LOL!

and its completely relevant...
in fact, its EXACTLY the same as what you guys say is OK...
for YOU GUYS to do...

but you think its not ok for BM to do...

I'm just using a "watch" as the focus point instead of a helmet....

Lets say...

YOU take a helmet( maybe a DP'95) and finish it off with a nice paint job..
Joe bloggs next door thinks its a little warped so makes his own...
finishes it with a nice paint job.
Thing-me-bob next door to him thinks its not flared enough and makes his own...
finishes it off with a nice paint job.
What-cha-McCall-it next door to him thinks it needed a better dent and makes his own...
finishes it with a nice paint job....etc etc etc...

Who's doing anything wrong here?...
LFL would say everyone of them...ITS THIER CONCEPT!
Fan's should say...well done!..beats the crap out that DP'95 they pawned onto us...

Mason.
 
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I totally agree with you Mason.


BM makes some amazing stuff. We shouldn't forget that we are all trying to get something as accurate as possible, and most of all we are the ones copying a design that doesn't actually belong to any of us.

I can understand how people feel to have their work ripped off, but I don't think we can make accusations without evidence. If we are all striving to replicate a movie accurate helmet, or any costume part for that matter, won't they all be relatively identical?

 
mandalore697 said:
I totally agree with you Mason.


BM makes some amazing stuff. We shouldn't forget that we are all trying to get something as accurate as possible, and most of all we are the ones copying a design that doesn't actually belong to any of us.

I can understand how people feel to have their work ripped off, but I don't think we can make accusations without evidence. If we are all striving to replicate a movie accurate helmet, or any costume part for that matter, won't they all be relatively identical?


YUP what he said!!!! Love the work BM keep it up.
 
Man! for a guy so new to this forum you sure seem to have the community and its members figured out?!

Did laundry again and still smell socks!

As far as anyone being a respected member, well, we are all entitled to our own opinions. IMHO there are 2 types of members. One type of member contributes to the COMMUNITY offering information, help, research and ultimatly RESPECT & friendship. The flip side of that coin are those who use this site as a free billboard to just sell there wares offering nothing back to the community.
I will give you an example of RESPECT that has nothing to do with the helmet. Months ago BB discovered the MQ-1 PC board. I aquired a original calculator and made a copy to show to the board. I spoke with BB about this and Promised not to sell any copies and therefore gain by HIS hard work and research. I turned people down over the months keeping my word not to sell any copies unless included with my kits, something BB was kind enough to allow me. I could have made sales on the sly but that's not the way I operate. Eventually BB offered me the oppertunaty to sell to the members of the board. Quite a kind gesture.
Gee! how long after I posted a run of MQ-1's to the board did BM start to flog his copies cashing in on someone else hard work. I don't doubt he has his own Calc. There not that rare, but there was a line crossed and people disrespected. Did you ever say thanks for the great find?

I don't deny that the BM website and all its props look great, they ought to. And like the PP and simular "shops" will do great with those who don't know or care about the history. You can say whatever you want in your defence from here on in, attack me or others I don't feel it will make a difference. I think most have made up there minds. Oh yeah nice shirts your making too. I'm sure DSD doesn't mind you horning in on his gig around here. Perhaps you might want to keep your posts to the cargohold.

Helmetman said:
Why on earth are we lining Bobamaker up for the firing squad here? He is a respected member of TDH and he makes some of the most accurate Boba fett stuff out there.

And now the guy takes on the ultimate task, to scratch build his own helmet, and you shoot the guy down in flames.

Hello?

Look closer guys, his lid looks nothing like any of the others out there. The modifications he has made and shown in his posts show that this is perhaps one of the best you are going to get.

And while we are on the subject. Why aren't we questioning where Marrow Sun's helmet came from originally?

If we are gonna start questioning 'origins' here, let's start with a guy who has had the 'movie accurate' monopoly for a while now.

Seems to me that Marrow Sun is steamed because his 'rework' he is currently touting looks a poor comparison to the BM in many aspects.

You guys are always so quick to judge someone for having a go at making something great.

You only have to look at some of the comments on BKBT's New Jango lid thread. Shoot a guy down for trying to make something cool.

This kind of stuff makes me ashamed to be a fan.
:(
 
OK, that will be just about enough of that on all sides. I believe everyone has had a pretty fair chance to speak their piece and I hope some of the apparently pent up tensions that have been looming for a while have been spent. It seems we all so quickly forget this is a community and we are here to help one another, not snap at each other like dogs.

Money always complicates things and while we appreciate all of those who make this hobby possible by making available the props we love, I will caution ANYONE who chooses to sell that you are under greater scrutiny than the avergae member because you are making money off the members of this community. Making money is not wrong, but the promise of $$$ sometimes makes otherwise honest people do questionable things. Do not be suprised if you are questioned. I am not saying I totally agree with how this situation was started or handled, but it is not uncommon or out of line to question a seller. Be prepared for it if and when it comes.

I'd also like to take a moment to speak to some of the newer members of our forum who felt the need to voice their opinions in these threads. Your opinions are welcome but make them EDUCATED opinions or else you will quickly lose credibility and look like a fool. More than one of you has made statements in regard to Fett "facts" that have no merit or basis in reality. It would behoove you to read and study more before making assumptions or claims in your posts which you know little about.

Lets move on.
 
Who is the winner?

"Months ago BB discovered"
How long should people refer to previous discoveries.
I have no doubt BB deserves the credit but BM deserves the credit for buying the calc in the first place - HOW MUCH :eek:
 
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BM's Quote"
My point: I notice that MS bought an MSH2 5 months ago from Fett Pride off eBay. Until now MS's helmets have had a 1 piece earcap... guess what? Yes, that's right... MS is now making a 2 part earcap, exactly like Fett Pride's. I'm not suggesting that he copied it, this may be sheer coincidence, but, why has no-one questioned it. If they have, could someone please show me the thread?"

Well it's clear to me now why your dent is so messed up. You don't even know what dent belongs to which helmet. So before you go and shoot yourself in the foot again you might want to take it out of your mouth. With such a keen eye for detail how could you mix up 2 completely different helmets??? The helmet in question is NOT a MSH-2 that would be obvious to most by the dent. The helmet is infact a modified DP DELUXE. Please get get your details together before spoating off again.
I'm assuming this thread is to be locked very soon as well. Finish the fight you have at hand before dragging me in. If your going to get into a battle of wits please come armed next time. If I remember correctly YOU'VE already been banned once before, Keep it up I'd personally like to see it happen again puppet master.
 
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