Big Game ESB paint up WIP

Ok ive been putting of doing this till i had all the colours i wanted ,
Ive decided to do this all in air brush , with enamels so ive been looking for as many paints as i can find that resemble what i think the ESB colours are ,
Im using my new casting as a base for the paint up , Ive cut the visor out taken the casting ring of and cleaned it up

I will be watching intently

Ive done some more prep and layed down the under coat,
Next im going to ad the scratches and gouges,

Thats really nice bucket
Is that one from your new mold?

Good job so far. Are you planning to key the silver layer to ensure the subsequent layers bond properly? In the past I've found layering onto a shiny metallic finish can cause adhesion issues ie random paint lift...

Originally Posted by terminal fettler

Good job so far. Are you planning to key the silver layer to ensure the subsequent layers bond properly? In the past I've found layering onto a shiny metallic finish can cause adhesion issues ie random paint lift...

same here with the silver it can pull off paint put over when u try and remove the masking especially if you use tape

Ive had it happen b4 so i think ill be able to work around it, ill aslo try limit the use off tape usage to an absolute minimum

awesome j, look forward to following this thread.

and for everyone - would a clear coat over the silver be wortwhile? i know it would all be duled down on completion, but to save it lifting and help paint adhering, would this be the way to go?

Re paint lifting off the silver layer, I found if the silver goes on in lots of thin coats if tends to end up with a slightly textured finish as opposed to a couple of thick coats where the result is often a shiny finish. If this is the case you can always lightly buff the surface with fine wire wool to key the paint...

nice work tf, makes alot of sense. got one of jintos helmets on the way shortly, and in researching colours, clear coats, lifting, masking etc it seems to just be a case of lots of trials to see what works with what before startin the real thing. so il try the wire wool idea next.. :-)

Don't go too heavy with the wool though, you don't want to remove any paint, just very lightly scratch the surface, then remove any dust before the layers go on...

thanks for the tip mate.

as for jinto, hes got some great knowledge in all areas of fine details, paint and prep, so i have no doubt he'll do a stellar job on this lid :-)

Your progress photos and threads totally prove your guilt in the recasting. You are now assigned to Cell Block 1138.

all i will say on this matter, is that i have had the pleasure of dealing with jinto, he is an incredibly humble guy, loves what he does and makes a fantastic product. he has great knowledge through his own trial and error, and the amount of newb questions i have pm'd him and hes been absolutely awesome in giving me loads of help and ideas. not only do i totally believe his work is his own work with lots of blood, sweat and tears put in, i can recommend anyone to deal with him, as hes a real champ.

anyways, rant over,
peace :-)

I own one of the first buckets by Jinto and am proud of it, soon i will obtain another to have and will be even prouder, disturbing mate but walk tall, jealousy is a curse
thanks for your support over the last 2 weeks even if from the mother in laws pc (found her Pr0n folder LOL) keeping with me that image of you seeing me on my rooftop, helpless in my BF suit with the BFUK JP on, surrounded by water, kept me smilein. Will open the batting with you any day mate.

Thanks guys , i think its all sweet now ,
glad you back E i hope your place survied the floods (you can get a new dog any time )
in laws pranw OIUK thats ruf.
any way ive been realy bizie with life and my computer is down so no new work but ill be back on this lid soon

looks great so fat Jinto! Man, being accused of recasting sucks...glad it seems to be cleared up though. This is the exact reason i posted every single thing i did with mine. And i realized i forgot the little rectangle slot in the left cheek on mine ...whoops!..thats ok..the V2 will be corrected lol!

Ow i posted lots of build pix , but that wasnt the problem, turnd out it looked to much like the helmets i was modiling mine from (imagine that) any way its all behind me now and i will no longer post my works on this board,
but after a little brake from painting and making lids ill be back at it , i was putting to much of my time and efort in to them,
and other thing in my life are more important at present,

Im not going to let that bother me any more ,
I done i little bit more to this ,
got some more paint down and added a few more scratches

, the visor isnt held in place yet , so its placement isnt right

Looking great so far!

Thanx MR Fett

Looking good bro.

Looks great that fella..Been waiting to see hows it gone. Quick question the colour around the silver on the dent,scratches
is that a grey or blue colour?...Its looks good! plus do you sell your own cast helmets?

Thanx
the main colour around the scratches? Its a mix of to difrent dark grays with a dark green in it ,
so no blue

As for you second question yes i do round the $100 Mark

Jinto this is looking great bud keep it up.... one thing that drew my eye though the random tar looking stuff looks brown to me maybe flash? And the kill stripes arent 1 color theres 3

Its hard to get it under lights but this shows the colour difrentces ,
Or do you mean there should only be 1 colour?

it looks like it more so but theres not actual over spray its actually 3 different colors like yellow, then yellow orange then orange yellow of sorts...good luck its not looking bad alot of people use decals for Fett sakes and thats just silly IMHO keep up the good work brother your doing great with it.

In my opinion, I actually think decals are fine if applied correctly, and with small sponges, they can be coloured and weathered to look very sharp. ive tried both methods in trials, and there isnt that much of a noticable differrence. but thats just me, and you guys are likely far more experienced..

jinto - looking awesome buddy. just a quick question - what green are you using in your airbrush for the dome, as i really like it. is it a mix or a standard colour? and how different in person is it to the colourbond rivergum we have discussed previously, or even the tamiya field grey? i just know colours in pics can sometimes be differrent to the real thing, but it looks really good, and from here pretty close to the rivergum. really fantastic work tho buddy, you should be well pleased, keep it up big fella

Cheers guys ,
I think F4R is refering to the vinyl kill stripes decalls, (seeing as they are one colour)
ILL get a pic of a helmet that has rivergum , next to that one next to one with the field gray , tomorow, now i need to sleep

I have always used reefer yellow for the base layer of the kill stripes and then applied a misting of Milw Road Orange over the top with a heavier application of it towards the back kill stripes but those are polly scale colors.

Originally Posted by jinto

Cheers guys ,
I think F4R is refering to the vinyl kill stripes decalls, (seeing as they are one colour)
ILL get a pic of a helmet that has rivergum , next to that one next to one with the field gray , tomorow, now i need to sleep

Yeh vinal decals are not accurate at all why do all that paint work and not paint the stripes? Thats stupid IMHO

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Yeh vinal decals are not accurate at all why do all that paint work and not paint the stripes? Thats stupid IMHO

I concoure its not that hard to do the stripes

Nice work so far,very inspiring

Thanx trepp,
Im waiting to see you get some epaint on your helmet

Originally Posted by jinto

Thanx trepp,
Im waiting to see you get some epaint on your helmet

Ya so am I
I was laid up most of last week with a cold and trying to track down masking fluid was a set back I hope to get back at it
this week end
I will be looking to you for advice on the kill stripes when it comes time

What ever you need ill do my best to help,

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Yeh vinal decals are not accurate at all why do all that paint work and not paint the stripes? Thats stupid IMHO

fair enough, i can definately see why some would go the decal route, as they are a nice, clean finish, and far less fiddly, and can be weathered nicely if done with the right tools, but then painted stripes if done well have a real professional look. I certainly think there is pros and cons of both methods, but ultimately, people have produced quality lids using either, so whatever makes the individual happy I guess. peace

True ,
Ill get that pic up for you soon

JV this is the difrentces in the colours the yellow visor
Is mist green (this is the colour before , rivergum on the colour bond colour chart, the names my be difrent but seeing as the are all made to the colour bond colour standards the difrent brands and names are always pretty close)
The finished ROTJhelmet is done with field grey, the one im working on now is actually a mix of humbrol colours mostly No.78 ,with some No. 120, No. 88 and also No. 31,
i remixed the clour a few times to get it looking how i thought it should look,
theother helmets dome is done in rivergum , so seeing them all together the are pretty close ,

j, thats a huge help, your a true gentleman. i really appreciate the pix, and the colors are indeed pretty close, so its nice to know my colors seem reasonably on track. thanks again for the pix buddy :-)

Pleasure mate im actually doing that one as a spray paint job for a gift for one of my brothers , so ill do more comparisons if you like

Got some more paint down,
im thinking the grey is a bit to dark
so im thinking that i should redo the gray on the visor

I don't know man it looks good to me if you go to light with the gray you loose some of the detail, I noticed that when I painted my Bobamaker.

Thanks Deadeland, good point
Added a bit more detail, and tweeked a few of the old ones

Man its looking really good Jinto I really would like to see the rear 4 kill stripes more orange but Im a stickler as you know...Your doing a great job with it...Have you put the black down in the upper cheeks yet?

almost to the back panels...they gave me hell

Thanx mate
The upper cheeks are next,
I did actually paint orange on the last 4 stripes, Its hard to see in the pics but if you were to look at it in peson youd see,
(Try this, blowing up the 5th pic and cover up the center stripes with your hand leaving 2 on either side youl be able to see the difrentse in colour then ,

As for the back panels , Im saving them till last , I may need to consider at least printing templates , so i can at least see the colours broken down to there individual patterns
Ive looked at the gallery pix over ad over and , and i feel ive got them pretty close

Originally Posted by jinto

Got some more paint down,
im thinking the grey is a bit to dark
so im thinking that i should redo the gray on the visor

i think youre doing a stellar job mate, looking really good. with the grey on the visor, it could be a tad dark from those photos, but steel wool and a dullcote may change that too. i know on my test colours, i had to go with ironlak lazy grey for the dome and cheek area which is a darker grey, and then for the mandibles, i went with ironlak melbourne grey which is a shade lighter. i think its because the green is a greyish green, it needs to be darker on that area than on the mandibles, where the red plays off differently against the grey. youd hardly know they were different greys when looked at all together, and id say thats a good thing. not sure if this mite be what youre facing, but if so, a lighter shade on the mandibles mite be the right option. great work again bro! :-)

Originally Posted by jinto

Thanx mate
The upper cheeks are next,
I did actually paint orange on the last 4 stripes, Its hard to see in the pics but if you were to look at it in peson youd see,
(Try this, blowing up the 5th pic and cover up the center stripes with your hand leaving 2 on either side youl be able to see the difrentse in colour then ,

As for the back panels , Im saving them till last , I may need to consider at least printing templates , so i can at least see the colours broken down to there individual patterns
Ive looked at the gallery pix over ad over and , and i feel ive got them pretty close

get the templates and make sure theyre scaled to each panel as they may be different than the templete

Originally Posted by Jayvee

i think youre doing a stellar job mate, looking really good. with the grey on the visor, it could be a tad dark from those photos, but steel wool and a dullcote may change that too. i know on my test colours, i had to go with ironlak lazy grey for the dome and cheek area which is a darker grey, and then for the mandibles, i went with ironlak melbourne grey which is a shade lighter. i think its because the green is a greyish green, it needs to be darker on that area than on the mandibles, where the red plays off differently against the grey. youd hardly know they were different greys when looked at all together, and id say thats a good thing. not sure if this mite be what youre facing, but if so, a lighter shade on the mandibles mite be the right option. great work again bro! :-)

Thanx JV
I think i may see how that goes , I dont want to but red s down and realise then that i need to change , and in real life its actually a bit darker than the pics,

with the back panels ill print the templates but i wont be tracing them down ,, more just a visual aid (the way i see it is the templates as great as they are , are some one else's interpretation on the paint work)

you can make ur own template jinto...trace the actual screen grab like ponte

His did turn out really well ,

Just the red down , Im planing on doing another layer of red, so there are some ddetails that will be sharpend up some what seeing as this isn't the final coat

Couple more shots


Its hard to see the purple colour in these pics but it is there under the red,

not to shabby brother

Very cool paint up ! Hope that i can do such an awesome paint job as yours here ^^

congrats !

Excellent work Jinto, those colours really look authentic, which colour red did you go for on the mandibles in the end?

Cheers guys , I appreciate it,
TF , I used , a mix of every red I have and a few browns (60, 174, 132, 73, 133), I just kept adding to the mix , then after 2 coats of that I misted really lightly a dust coat of each red ,since the pic ive buffed it up and dull coated it and it looks better,,
It was a real task ..

I've never looked at this thread before... excellent paintup jinto!

Keep the pics coming brother...haha

Great job bro you nailed that sucker now lets see some more pics all the way around.

Thanx guys ,
Ive yet to start the back panels
Though I plan on getting in to them this week