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Beginning a helmet from scratch

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    AoErat
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    Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Hello everyone,

    I'm planning on building a Fett helmet from scratch. I've got the Reference CD version 1, and have found the ratios of the helmet. (for the most part). However, what I lack is any hard numbers. As I understand, the exact dimensions are a subject of controversy. Is there any measurement that is generally agreed upon? I'm looking for at least one dimension from the side and front, from which I can find the rest via ratios.

    If anyone with a DP, or even better, a "more accurate" helmet could give me a couple dimensions, that would be wonderful. Or any numbers the community has reached a consensus on.

    I've searched this board as well as the RPF, but haven't found much at all, unfortunately.

    If I can get some measurements, I plan on doing up some nice layouts as best as I can figure and posting them somewhere.

    Any help here would be great. Thanks much.

    ~ AoErat

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Woah......I just got done(less than 30 seconds ago) sending an e-mail with the exact same question to a buddy. Spooky, indeed. ...I'm doing the very same thing and would love dimensions. I was wondering if the reference pics at 100% are full scale. If so, I can pull patterns from that. Thanks for any help.

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    I think that the photos would not be full scale, simply because the angle is never exactly perfect, and the distance the camera was away from the helmet is also different.

    Can anyone help us? A post or PM would be great!

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    I hate to bump this but I could really use some help here folks. I've got no starting place until I can get some numbers, however vague they might be.

    Thanks much!

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    I can give you my helmet dimensions once I get it back, but you may find some useful info in this thread:
    http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...c=1690&forum=2

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    i take some measurements of my 95dp recast check the pics
    <img src=http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/87a8f021/bc/BFhelmet/HM1.jpg?bcoQ7D.AhcIGqdep>
    <img src=http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/87a8f021/bc/BFhelmet/HM2.jpg?bc_Q7D.AHTxB95C9>
    or go here http://espanol.photos.yahoo.com/s_collao if you cant see ... click on BFhelmet



    BobaFettish can you send me the dimensions too? thanks in advance



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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch


    secol_FETT wrote:

    BobaFettish can you send me the dimensions too?
    I'll just post them here once I get it back.

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    What dimensions do you want . . . I've got my movie sized helmet sitting on my dining room table as I type this!

    Jer

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Thanks for the replies!

    BobaFettish: Got some off that thread.

    secol_FETT: Great pics, thanks.

    Ego: I could use these:

    Base Depth
    Base Width (w/out ears, with)
    Chin to top of brow
    Bottom back to top of brow
    Dome Depth
    Dome Width
    Dome Height

    If this is too much, just pick and choose a couple. If you want to grab some more while you are at it, that's fine by me too. I should be able to calculate the details myself though. Thanks so much!

    ~ mike

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Well, I could use these dimensions;

    http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrow...elected=124119


    I'm sorry for the link, but I'm not sure I could fit these pics here. All three pics have dimension inquiries. I know it's asking alot, but I've never actually seen one of these in real life :o . Any help would be very much appreciated. ...Anyone wanting to help with one or more measurements, can just list the corresponding letter to a measurement. Thanks so much.

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    Okay, here ya go.

    BTW, I hope I'm not stepping on the maker's toes by putting these measurements out there. If I am, or if the mods see fit . . do what you will with this post!

    Base Depth: 256mm
    Base Width Ears (front of helmet): 245mm
    Base Width Ears (back of helmet): 250mm
    (Sorry, I don't have my ears on, so, no dimensions with ears on)

    Chin to top of brow: 181mm
    Bottom back to top of brow: 130mm

    (Brow being the red band that goes around the whole helmet, beneath the dome)

    Dome Height: 90mm

    Sorry, that's about all I can get you with regard to the dome. I don't have a flexible tape here at home right now to give you a circumference and to get depths and widths it's me trying to line it up by eye and I don't want to give you anything inaccurate (so even take the height with a grain of salt)

    Hope that helps.

    Let me know if there's anything else I can get you or a detail picture or anything.

    Jer

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    Oh, geez, yes. If anyone is going to get upset at this, by all means, say so. I won't be casting this, I will be producing it from metal mostly (hopefully). I just needed some dimensions to start with. If not, I can figure something out I guess. I don't want to offend anyone here. Really. I don't. ....Really.

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    Wait, I found my flexitape.

    I'll go with MM's dimensions . . hopefully that'll be everything you need.

    Keep in mind, this is an ESB helmet (but really, are there any other's worth mentioning?)

    A: 322mm
    B: 156mm
    C (Boba's Left): 125mm
    C (Boba's Right): 135mm
    D: 48mm
    E: 375mm
    F: 118mm
    G: I Got Nuthin'
    H: 179mm
    I: 67mm

    For J&K I assumed the line breaking the two dimensions was if you extended the line where the cheek meets the ear panel, if that makes sense to you.
    J: 317mm
    K: 462mm

    X&Z I don't really know an easy way of measuring so . . not sure how much help I can give on that one.

    Hope these help though.

    Jer

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    PERFECT! WOOHOO! Thank you, so much!

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Well, I'm just going by that since our friendly supermod was going to post once he got his helmet back, that it's okay to do so . . . so, if you're to get mad at anyone, get mad at BobaFettish, not little ole me! hehe

    Just kiddin' around, but seriously, if this is bad, me posting these dimensions . . my apologies in advance.

    Otherwise, hope they help out!

    Jer


    MegalomaniacalMandalore wrote:

    Oh, geez, yes. If anyone is going to get upset at this, by all means, say so. I won't be casting this, I will be producing it from metal mostly (hopefully). I just needed some dimensions to start with. If not, I can figure something out I guess. I don't want to offend anyone here. Really. I don't. ....Really.

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    I don't see any harm in sharing the dimensions. This particular helmet is no longer in production. As long as no one is pulling molds directly from one of these, everything should be cool. The main goals of this forum are to identify and locate "found parts" on the real suits and to help each other make the most accurate Fett costumes we can. Sharing info is what it's all about.

    Good luck with your helmet projects and be sure and post some progress pics.

    ::Edit:: It is really O.K. to blame Ego.

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    Quote:
    ::Edit:: It is really O.K. to blame Ego.
    Now I know why I like it here so much . . . you all treat me just like my family does! Feels like home! hahahaha



    Jer

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Thanks so much for the numbers!

    Hopefull I can work with these.

    ~ mike

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    I made use of the dimensions and produced a drawing in AutoCad 2000 of the profile view. This is a very preliminary version, so there are bound to be errors.



    I'd appreciate comments if you've got 'em. Especially critical comments.

    - Mike

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Hi Mike!

    That's an excellent drawing! I have one suggestion that might assist, which is the profile view of the dome. It seems to have a much steeper angle at the back, with the apex just a wee bit back from the mid-way between front and rear.

    When I started my scratch-built helmet, I used one of Brak's CD hi-res photos, blew it up and traced it into my CAD program. I think it is of the ROTJ helmet - not sure if the ESB has the same profile? The measurement from front-to-back that I used was 245mm. (The front is on the right side of the photo) Hope this is of some help. Phil




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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Try doing an overlay with this picture:

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    Phil: Yeah, I knew something looked wrong on the dome. I have a suspicion mine is far too high. Your image looks quite good.

    BobaFettish: Wow, that is a really good pic. Wish I had seen it sooner. Would you say it is pretty much exactly straight on? Also - the image says "prototype" ... is it essentially the same piece as was used in the movie?

    Would you happen to have any pics of the front at such a good angle?

    Again, thanks.

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    That is a picture of one of the first Fett helmets, if not THE first one. It is believed that the ESB helmet was pulled from the same mold but given a different paint scheme.

    Do you want a straight on picture of the ESB or RotJ helmet? I'm not sure of the origin of the helmet in the picture below (although I think Brak's could enlighten us), but it's a nice helmet and a good reference picture for what you're doing.
    http://www.essat.cl/cdref/0001_0100/Boba_Fett_014.jpg

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Is there really a difference between the ESB and RotJ versions? Asides from paintjob of course.

    Forgive me, I am not well versed in Fett helmets.

    If there is a difference, I could use a ESB head-on.

    Thanks for the info about the other pic.

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    Re: Beginning a helmet from scratch

    Yes, there's quite a difference between the ESB and ROTJ helmets. Besides the paint job, the ROTJ helmet is actually a little bit smaller and doesn't quite have the same flare that the ESB helmet has.

    Do you have a copy of the Reference CD? There's some pretty decent head on shots on there . . . specifically I'm thinking of the ones that DCB took!

    Jer

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