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  1. Tyler Durden's Avatar
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    Jan 21, 2003, 1:22 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #76

    Soju, I would disagree with you. And I think in due time, you will find Lee to be quite the opposite. You want see "holier-than-thou," there are some prime examples of that attitude on the RPF. And boy does it get my goat when people can't share for trivial or egomaniacal reasons. If I thought there was some high-falooting elitism here, I would be the first to call it. I really do not think that is the situation here.

    Now I guess the source of most of the disgreement would be "why post when you can't share..." Well I am sure you can make arguments both ways, but I think the point of the post was get some excitement going. Sure, he could have waited until he completed the agreement and the helmets were completed to make the post, so that the colors could be revealed. However, I would much rather know the colors exisit earlier, so I could plan them into the painting of my helmet. I could have bought a bunch of paints, had it painted, blah blah, and suddenly I see a post showing me some very promising colors and it is back to square one.

    I also think it is a moot point to debate the merit of the "arrangement." Yeah it is "bad" for us. We don't get the colors immediatly, and Buddah forbid, there is no instant gratification. But the deal was made, and we will still have the colors anyway.
  2. Ego
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    Jan 21, 2003, 1:29 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #77

    I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but, I've been watching it and have had my opinion on it as well.

    In my opinion anyway, it seems as though everything's gotten quite heated and perhaps blown a little bit out of proportion.

    Patience . . . I think we all have patience, and we can wait. That's not necessarily the point though.

    Whether it was intentional or not, and I'll choose to believe that it wasn't intentional, Lee's first posts came off to a lot of people with a holier than thou attitude. Some may not have read it that way, but there were a lot of people that did read it that way. Like I say, with a week's distance away from it all, I'll choose to believe that it wasn't intentional, but, that's how it came off. Then to top it all off, it seemed as though the people "defending" his posts were the ones getting their bucket's painted him. Whether the case or not, it gives off the impression of an elitist air. Which is something I don't think anyone wants.

    But now, everyone's backs are up and it's going nowhere. Lee feels like he's being attacked, and a lot of the board is feeling like the spirit of the board isn't being followed.

    I agree with Soju . . . this board is a great place to hang out with like minded people. We share our ideas, and everybody chimes in to try to make everybody's costume better. And, I think that TDH has done a fabulous job with that. That's why I think a lot of people here got really frustrated when someone seemed to be saying "I found the perfect paint, anyone can buy it in a store, and I'm not telling you what it is". It just seemed to go against everything TDH was here for. If we wanted to look at people's helmet's without sharing ideas, we can just go look through the member database at 501st.com.

    And, I agree with Natty, TDH has almost always come through on being a helpful place to come. I specificially avoid RPF for the same reasons that Natty said.

    My own opinions . . . well, I, like Soju, know myself that I've answered any question when asked, and almost everyone else I've ever asked for help, they've helped as well. I even put blueprints of my work up before I even had the first one off the line! I think that a lot of people have had that great experience here. And that's another reason that people's noses might have got a bit out of joint. It's not something we're used to here. Someone saying they have the answer, yet seemingly (at the time, that's how it seemed), unwilling to share. So, patience, that's fine, we can exercise patience. If for no other reason than we have no choice. Myself, I'm still going the custom mixed route so . . . take your time! hehehe

    And the argument about paint being the same as the calc pad . . . I don't buy that for a second. You're talking about an object that's 25 years old and not readily available compared to a paint that's been said can be bought right off the shelf. But, that's my take on it, take it for what you will.

    I guess all I'm trying to say is, is that it some really bad and cryptic wording has led to this, and both "sides" (for lack of a better word), have had their feelings hurt by this.

    Lee, your paintjob is fantastic . . I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Simply stunning.

    Let's leave the arguing to RPF!

    Jer
  3. Soju
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    Jan 21, 2003, 2:02 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #78

    Okay, well, thanks for trying to explain natty and tyler, but I still don't see it. I don't see any cockyness in his attitude. He seems like a really nice guy. I just don't understand this black project. It's blindingly obvious he has the colors right. Why not give others the opportunity to test this stuff themselves? Maybe they could even improve upon it.
    I can't count how many times I've re-done something because someone found a better way. Who knows, maybe after you do buy all this guys paint, someone will come out with something better. Everyone here has agreed that a costume is never really finished. Why wait on this guy? He said he has been working on this thing for four months and he's only on step three out of ten! How long are you going to wait?
    I'm obviously only making enemies here, so I too will not post again. I don't see it; I don't agree with it. 'Nough said.

    Oh, and Ego ... well said.
  4. Tyler Durden's Avatar
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    Jan 21, 2003, 2:26 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #79

    Points well noted, Soju. And you do have a right to disagree. All I am saying is let's give the guy some time and patience to come through. I agree, hopefully it is not going to be an excessive amount of time.

    Not making any enemies, Soju. People seem to have read the thread two different ways with different impressions. Let's just relax a bit and see how it all develops.

  5. Jan 21, 2003, 2:30 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #80

    I would like to remind ourselves, and not lose sight of the fact, that we are ALL on the same "team" here. We revel in each others accomplishments, and empathize for other's failures. It is what sets this little community apart. Inasmuch, I don't feel as though either point of view to this subject is necessarily wrong. It is painfully obvious that our only source for deciding how we stand on the matter is our personal interpretation of the subject's presentation, and our even more personal interpretation of how we would react if the situations were reversed.

    Being raised on John Wayne and Errol Flynn movies, I am very motivated by my personal code of honor. I have the utmost respect for anyone who could convince me of that same quality belonging to them. I will defend Lee's promise to the mystery agent with full determination.

    What I do feel as far as the negative side to this, however, is the way the presentation came off. I, for one, would have been immeasurably excited if a post had been made to the nature of; "Hey, guys. I think I'm real close to figuring out the REAL color to the helmet. I'm still testing, so don't want to get too many hopes up. As soon as I can do so without looking stupid, I'll post pics. I'd really like to think that this is another step closer to fulfilling this board's goal in acheiving the best Fett possible." ...Done. That would have been a more agreeable delivery, in my humble opinion.

    I will use myself as one example here, and also(hopefully he'll understand) HS.
    HS ran an imressive running commentary on the manufacture of his helmet. He didn't seem to me to withhold anything. Took us into the bowels of the foundry itself. Showed step-by-step how he produces one of these treasures. He seems to me to have done the same with his weapon casts.
    As for myself, and believe me, my stuff is junk as far as accuracy, I have explained and illustrated in pictures, the steps in making all I have of my costume so far. I have done so to hopefully disspell any myths as to the difficulty involved in the sewing or other techniques involved. Hopefully someone can see what I've done and make an even BETTER one than I did (wouldn't be hard). I have even run a tutorial showing how to shape metal. I've held nothing back.

    Now, having said this, I would like to see anyone use their own home-foundry to cast themselves a decent helmet or weapon base. Or take my twenty years of experience and do what I have done with my vast collection of tools at my disposal.

    My point here is this; Even if I KNEW the "secret-color-that-is-actually-no-secret", and applied it to my helmet in the best way I am capable of, it would still look like a lump of chicken poop that the white part has been carved away from leaving only the green. I don't have the talents necessary for painting well.

    Lee is an accomplished and talented painter. He needn't fear anyone muscling-in on his action by equaling his talent. I think that divulging this paint thing would appease everyone concerned here. If not, I am convinced, I'm already seeing it, that many will lose interest and simply ignore or resent his awesome work farther down the road.

    That's how my stick floats.

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    Jan 21, 2003, 3:14 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #81

    "Guys it's a long story on the colors. I basically traded some color info for some stuff kind of a barter thing. And if I disclosed it I would violate an agreement I made and I want to honor my word with this person. However we are collaborating on the helmets now and we will work something out so that everyone is taken care of. Please be patient and ask all of the questions you want and I'll try to help. Thanks again for all of your kind words and thanks for understanding."

    I thought this pretty much summed it up. I really don't understand why this has been such a rucass. He did say in a later post that they colors will be revealed. Personally, if it were me and this was my reception on TDH I would take my toys and go home, so to speak. Of course I guess the honorable thing to do would be to break his word with someone and tell the colors, just to please the masses. Or even better never share it with anyone, ever. Personally, I'd rather wait and know that when I get the colors they will be the right ones.
  7. Jan 21, 2003, 3:18 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #82

    "Hey, guys. I think I'm real close to figuring out the REAL color to the helmet. I'm still testing, so don't want to get too many hopes up. As soon as I can do so without looking stupid, I'll post pics. I'd really like to think that this is another step closer to fulfilling this board's goal in acheiving the best Fett possible." ...Done.


    ...And I never have had a problem with waiting.
  8. Ego
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    Jan 21, 2003, 3:32 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #83


    Dean O wrote:

    I thought this pretty much summed it up. I really don't understand why this has been such a rucass. He did say in a later post that they colors will be revealed. Personally, if it were me and this was my reception on TDH I would take my toys and go home, so to speak. Of course I guess the honorable thing to do would be to break his word with someone and tell the colors, just to please the masses. Or even better never share it with anyone, ever. Personally, I'd rather wait and know that when I get the colors they will be the right ones.
    Actually, if you read past, with the exception of Slave's, um, enthusiastic comments , no one has really asked for him to reveal the colours. I'm with MMM, a man's only as good as his word. He made a promise, he should keep it. I can only speak for myself, the comment I made afterwards was more to find out how something that's in plain sight can be a secret, not a plea to find out the colours. My apologies if it was taken as anything more.

    I still hold with what I think is true from everyone that's talked to me about it . . . the presentation and the attitude in the original posts really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. A lot of which has been edited out now as well, it's worth noting. Nothing against Lee, I've never talked to him, but I'm sure he's a great guy. He's on TDH, so, he's gotta be cool! I'll chalk it up to words on the internet being misformed, and misinterpreted. Lord knows it's happened to me more times than I can shake a stick at.

    No one wants him to pick up his toys and go home. TDH is a better place because of EVERYONE's contributions here.

    I think the only point people were trying to make earlier regarding the waiting now is . . how long? If he's going to be telling in two weeks, people will wait. If it's going to be two years . . they might as well go another route. I think that's the only reason that that keeps coming up.

    Just my 1.31 cents (CDN Dollar Conversion)
  9. Appolo_50
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    Jan 21, 2003, 3:45 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #84

    Well put Ego I wholeheartedly concur. (is that a word?)
  10. Ego
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    Jan 21, 2003, 3:50 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #85

    Thank you, and, yes it is! (they don't call me Captain Dictionary for nothing)


    Appolo_50 wrote:

    Well put Ego I wholeheartedly concur. (is that a word?)
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    Jan 21, 2003, 4:02 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #86

    C17LM : Your helmet looks excellent! I'm sure it will turn out as good as Fettpride and Motorfish's buckets. The scratches and battle damages allready looks great!

    I checked mine and compared them next to eachother:



    The green is pretty darn close i think (YAY!)
    Mine is a custom mix and i did them by studying shots with not too much flash in it. Actually I find the darker green(on the back) the hardest to do. Mine is really off at the moment along with the red which is not really right, but when i get my Movie sized helmet i'll try my best at setting things straight.

    Keep us updated!

    -Mikael


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    Jan 21, 2003, 5:08 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #87

    Say, I just looked at the chin strap again...is that a Rebel pilot's helmet chin cup? I could be mistaken, but isn't that a little raised rounded rectangle towards the top center? Yay or nay, it still looks cool

    Oh, and Mikael, your helmet looks GREAT too!
  13. Rogue Studios is offline Rogue Studios
    Jan 21, 2003, 6:55 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #88

    Wow really nice helmet!! very good job on the paint and weathering top notch I must say I hope I can get both of these to look that good I'm miles away right now.

    The chincup was from one my Starship Troopers helmets I have a few laying around and they look cool. Just a hard to find item. I'm trying to find one to match original.

    Lee
  14. Appolo_50
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    Jan 21, 2003, 7:32 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #89


    C17LM wrote:

    Wow really nice helmet!! very good job on the paint and weathering top notch I must say I hope I can get both of these to look that good I'm miles away right now.

    The chincup was from one my Starship Troopers helmets I have a few laying around and they look cool. Just a hard to find item. I'm trying to find one to match original.

    Lee

    The original had a chin strap?? wow i guess ya learn something every day. i had no clue
  15. Rogue Studios is offline Rogue Studios
    Jan 21, 2003, 8:32 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #90

    One helmet did I believe see page 133 of chronicles. jsut thought it was cool and it helps control head movement.
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    Jan 23, 2003, 5:17 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #91

    Thanks
    I've studied your pics closer and i was just wondering what technique you used for the scratches. Sponge? Brush?
    Anyway looks great! Cant wait to see it finished..

    -Mikael



  17. Rogue Studios is offline Rogue Studios
    Jan 23, 2003, 9:14 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #92

    I used brush the sponge has a great effect but it's too hard to control when trying to make accurate scratches.

    Lee

    Once I get these two done I'll post the colors it shouldn't be too much longer folks and I appologize for the delay I hate waiting myself.

  18. Appolo_50
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    Jan 23, 2003, 9:40 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #93


    C17LM wrote:

    I used brush the sponge has a great effect but it's too hard to control when trying to make accurate scratches.

    Lee

    Once I get these two done I'll post the colors it shouldn't be too much longer folks and I appologize for the delay I hate waiting myself.


    hey no problem take ur time.... we all understand now
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    Jan 29, 2003, 4:48 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #94

    Hey, hows them helmets coming along??
    shunned
  20. Rogue Studios is offline Rogue Studios
    Jan 30, 2003, 12:11 AM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #95

    I'll take a picture and have braks host it for me I'll have it up tomorrow right after work (damn real world I hate it).

    Lee
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    Jan 30, 2003, 3:42 AM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #96

    NEW PICS! NEW PICS! NEW PICS! NEW PICS!

    Nathan
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    Jan 30, 2003, 8:10 AM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #97

    Great to see how these are coming along.
  23. Rogue Studios is offline Rogue Studios
    Jan 30, 2003, 10:12 PM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #98

    May take a little bit more I got in late tonight so it will be around lunch time tomorrow.
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    Jan 31, 2003, 1:31 AM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #99

    Yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!

    . . . oops, uh, I mean. . . Go ROTJ!
  25. STEVE THE SWEDE
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    Jan 31, 2003, 4:54 AM - Re: Aurora (Helmet)***Update*** #100

    Can't wait! So far it looks incredibly accurate! I know two Britts who's not going to be able to leave there houses any more before they update there home protection systems! You are truly going to be the envy of all Fett fans! I just wished I could afford to come over and see them in person.

    Steve.

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