Aurora (Helmet)***Update 3***

I don't think CL17M is withholding the color information for any sort of personal gain or upper-crusty snobbines.

I think he made the reason quite clear:

Guys it's a long story on the colors. I basically traded some color info for some stuff kind of a barter thing. And if I disclosed it I would violate an agreement I made and I want to honor my word with this person. However we are collaborating on the helmets now and we will work something out so that everyone is taken care of. Please be patient and ask all of the questions you want and I'll try to help.

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Just a little patience people.....

Bull sh*t he just wants to be the talk of the town. EVERYONE here share's, and is helpful IE: he either wants to be popular or he wants to make money painting helmets GO TO RPF AND PEDDLE YOUR PAINT JOB {{{{{{{{{{{{{ohh look at me {}}}}}}}}}}}}}} woopittdo What an ass

that was kinda uncalled for slave

to C17LM: I in no way meant to belittle you or degrade you. I would like to appologize for any grief I may have caused you. What I said was in no way meant to be malicious but just a light joke. Once again... Sorry.

-Paul

C17LM wrote:
Yes I will be painting helmets. I just need to get these two off the bench and I have three others in the wings. After I get this one done and you like it make your choice then and let me know I talked to Brak's about pricing and we'll see what we can come up with that is economical but of equal high quality. I doubt I could ever charge for the time spent on these so I have to think of something else so everyone that wants a paint job can get one at reasonable price.

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{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{see what i mean moneymoneymoney }}}}}}}}}} your in the wrong forum this is the help each other out forum . your looking for ebay EVERYBODY HERE CAN PAINT A HELMET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, too many negative waves...

Hmmm....there seems to be more to this than a great painted helmet. Although this board has, in my opinion since I've been here, seemed very helpful and generous with the collected intel, it also tends to hold its secrets for obvious reasons. I don't think that a paint color would be copyrighted by LFL, so the obvious reason is mute.

I would like to think that the artist has very good reasons for withholding this info, and will be willing to spill and be a part of the gang as soon as he feels comfortable doing so. Until then, we will progressively lose interest in the entire subject. When the secret is made public, everything will start to jump again, I'm sure.

I have used the analogy of owning wrenches not making a mechanic. Just because the exact color would be known, does not ensure that the mastery of this skilled painter is at risk of being duplicated. You still have to know what to do with that paint.

Since his honor and word are at stake, I respect his decision to withhold his data. I also apologize if it seemed as though I were on the offensive earlier. You do great work. It's the secret paint that is available to the public that is the curious thing. Odd that none of the Fett Geeks(me included) have found it yet.

Easy fellas...

It Just upsets me... Look at my past posts if i am not one of the most helpful and generous guys on here then i am completely in the wrong but.. why post the picture of the perfect helmet paint job and then not let us in on it .if not for personal gain. EVERYONE i have asked a question of on this board has been more than helpful, except in this thread. It is just mind boogling to me. bottom line i wont post or look at this thread again

Whoa there trigger!
I have been working with Brak's on this through the whole process and to be honest I said I wasn't going to paint anything for anyone. I'm sure it looks like I have profit as a motive but I'm sure that other members here can vouch for my work and can testify that it's worth what I charged.
Brak's indicated that a few people may ask me to paint their helmet what am I supposed to do do it for free? I really don't need the extra money to be honest I just do it to help people out and I'm sorry if you feel I'm an attention monger but I worked this project for 4 months and never said a peep.
I have also made contributions to indentifying pieces on the suit that Brak's and I have also worked together on and the board will know these pieces very very soon as well so get ready.
I'm a person of my word and I will honor that to the person I gave it to but that doesn't mean I don't want to tell or will never tell. I ask for patience and resolve I'm not trying to play a game or fool with anyone's head if you notice if I was looking for edification don't you think I would have posted this on the RPF? No I shared it here where it belongs and yes the person I traded the info to traded me quite a bit in return and until I make that up to him I can't divluge because what is the value of the trade to him if I did?. It's a matter of time and when I return the compensation back to a friend. I appreciate this board and everyone on it we're all Fett obsessed here and eventually we'll all have the same stuff in the end.
My helmet is not the greatest it's just another helmet that hopefully will be on the list of the other great helmets on this board I am not an artist and there are improvements to be made and anything that helps get us closer to the real thing helps us all.

steveday72 wrote:
Very precise weathering - must've taken many hours just to gather your reference images.

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Nope! He spent many hours finding the right colors and working out his technique but only a few min asking for a certain ref CD!

For those who are frustrated because Lee won't post the colors RIGHT THIS SECOND:

You may not know C17LM yet, but hopefully you all know me. And hopefully you know that I would never withhold information from you or condone someone else holding information from you without a very good reason. As C17LM pointed out and Tyler Durden reiterated, C17LM spent a lot of time discovering these colors and he made a trade for that color information to attain some pieces he wanted. The details of that trade are none of our business but C17LM has made it know that part of the deal entailed him not spilling the beans immediately. Whether you like it or not, they are as his colors to do with as he likes. He never has to share them if he doesn't want to so I would encourage you to rethink your negative attitude. From what I have seen this board IS different than the RPF! We DO share info. We ARE a closer knit group. However, do not let this familiarity make you think you are OWED information. No one here is in a position to demand anything from anyone else (unless you paid them ) so holster your blasters, put down the thermal detonator and have some respect and patience. These are very exciting times for us as we are getting closer and closer to the goal. Lets not ruin it by making wild accusations or throwing out negative posts on a whim.

EDIT: I have thought about this a bit more and I have a few more things to throw out.

I have been working with Lee through this entire process and I have witnessed the effort that has gone into his discoveries. He has an enormous amount invested in this in both time and money. Some of you feel he should hand the colors over this second but I disagree. Let me tell you what happen,from my own experiences, when someone puts a lot of effort into a project then turns the info over too quikly.

When I discovered the MQ-1 calc I immediately posted the info to the board but asked everyone NOT to rush the market as it would drive up the prices. Well, one guy did and unfortunately ended up making the calc that I got cost about twice as much as it should have! I worked my butt off to make that discovery but because I shared the info too soon, I feel like I hurt myself.

Although it isn't exactly the same situation, Lee DESERVES to get a little something for his efforts and he has arranged to do so while the paint colors still have value. To deny him such a small reward is very selfish on your part and is a good way to keep others from sharing their info in the future. If they can gain nothing by making discoveries why put out the effort at all?

An awesome looking helmet :colors,weathering,etc. Very exciting times indeed,but I can't help having a bittersweet feeling knowing my stuff is being custom-mixed painted right now,and that there is a few cans on a shelf waiting

One question with regard to ESB.Does the green for the helmet you're using apply to all components minus the knees/shoulders?

Great work,and great find

Steve

I remember reading that the Star Wars props guys used a lot of UK model paint - I think it was Humbrol.

Anyone interested should probably take a look there.

I can't help feeling that the person who traded props or valuable pieces of props for a list of paint colors was suckered. Just my humble opinion.

Steve

Just my .02 even though I am still making my way through TDH as a "newbie"!
Being an artist myself I know what it's like to commit many hours and weeks creating colors to fit a certain piece that I am working on!! Though this guy is pulling the colors right off the shelf, its still nearly the same thing research wise!!
I agree that I highly anticipate this information as well as most of my fellow TDH'rs, however its not to say that he is in the wrong not to reveal his sources!!
I don't think he is holding out to intentionally bother anyone as he did say he would clue us in down the road!!

Heck, I have a helmet ready to be painted right now, but I'm not gonna get upset about it because I can make the colors I need if I set my mind to it!!! It's all relative to the person's eye anyway!
From one artist to another ,though he claims not to be, I believe anyone that can do any kind of hand made or paint "replication" is an artist!
So anyway, what I'm getting at is sharing is one thing and since he was paid (basically) to keep the info on the down low for now, I can respect that!!
Can't wait to get more info ,but we have no choice!!

Good luck with your ART and hope to see more developments as they get closer to finish day!
sincerely, shunned

I just wanted to speak out on the person I have made an honor agreement with just so everyone will not think this is something they made me do etc. I approached them with the prospect of a trade and terms of the deal they actually wanted me to share the colors and not do a trade of info. Well after talking to Brak's on this I actually dug a hole for myself. I want everyone to know that I contacted this person tonight and we decided that I'll pay for my deal vs. an informational trade and this would release me of the personal lock I placed on myself. This indivudual was really happy that I'll be sharing this with the board now since that is what they wanted me to do in the first place.

So that being said I will work up something to let everyone know when I'll post it. I know it's not the Manhatten project and I'm sure I'll have people still making Negative feedback on me and how I'm greedy but trust me that is far from the truth. So everyone will know even the people that don't even like me for no good reason and it won't cost you a cent. But be patient I want to get this helmet a little further along.

And I wanted thank all of the folks who supported me and those that had negative things to say that's ok too.

I just would like the members here know that Slave1117a who
expressed his opinion earlier, helped me out. I live in
Canada and could not find colors for the ROTJ theme, Slave1117a who lives in the U.S. offered to sent me unused spray cans for FREE!!! I never knew or spoke to Slave1117a
prior to this gratious offer.


Once i recieve the paint, i will try to find Canadian brands and color numbers that match and share this info with other
Canadian TDH members. I have learned alot here by asking
questions and will pass on what i know. There is one thing
that Slave1117a has taught me, that a strangers generosity
is worth more than someone's word.

Cheers Slave1117a

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Slave1117a has taught me, that a strangers generosity
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Funny how that good nature and generosity to strangers was not extended to me.

HEY, WHO CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SUPERBOWL? WOOHOO! WE'RE GETTING A BIG FAT SANDWICH! WATCHING ON THE NEW WIDESCREEN! WOOHOO!
:cheers :cheers

I think the Superbowl is going to be good this year unfortunately my team didn't even make it to playoffs *sniff*.

C17LM wrote:
I think the Superbowl is going to be good this year unfortunately my team didn't even make it to playoffs *sniff*.

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oh well... mine didn't either. But hey!! at least we can root for our least favorite team to lose!!!!!!! :cheers

Sure it was C17LM!
I think the majority of us appreciate your generosity in sharing the pics even! I think he just missunderstood ya!!
I can't speak for anyone but myself though, in saying I know why you said what you did and understood your circumstances!!
Can't wait to see the results though!!
I got a helmet ready to go and your guidance color wise will make it complete!
Good luck and hang in there!!, shunned