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    Feb 27, 2007, 2:18 PM - Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #1

    Ok, sometime when I get my orders all caught up, I've been thinking of giving my Mystery helmet kit a thorough overhaul, and I want to know what you guys think I should address.

    Here's what I've got so far-

    Cheek corners- Not sure when these got rounded off between the PP2 helmet and the lava helmet, but all the real helmet pics I'm seeing have the squared off cheeks so I want to fix that...

    The raised "stripes" behind the ears- These were really rough on the original so I rebuilt the ends of them for the MH, but got them too angled. They need to be more squared off.

    Dent- All I'm going to do here is clean out the layers and layers of primer that have built up with every new mold. There's so much in there, I've noticed the lines inside are getting a little soft.

    Borden Connector- I scratch built a new 3 hole one when I cleaned up the lava helmet, but now that I've got the ref disk, I noticed it's the two hole version on the ESB helmet. If it's the 3 hole version on the PP2, I'll leave the connector off the main pattern and include both types as seperate pieces.

    Can anyone think of anything else?

    -Sarge
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    Feb 27, 2007, 2:20 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #2

    Oh- one other thing; Should I do all this to the original pattern or leave it as it is and modify one of the castings instead?

    -Sarge
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    Feb 27, 2007, 2:28 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #3

    Quote SgtFang said: View Post
    Oh- one other thing; Should I do all this to the original pattern or leave it as it is and modify one of the castings instead?

    -Sarge

    I would do it to one of your castings first to see what the initial reply is from the fett community. But that is just my opinion
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    Feb 27, 2007, 2:42 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #4

    I know it was mentioned in another thread, but what about a two piece slimmer earcap where the triangular piece at the bottom tucks under the base?


    And what about molding an MQ-1 into the keyslot area?
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    Feb 27, 2007, 2:48 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #5

    The rf ear thats currently in place needs work for the stalk to stand straight too, otherwise it sticks forward a bit.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 3:28 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #6

    Quote AFettFullofDollars said: View Post
    I know it was mentioned in another thread, but what about a two piece slimmer earcap where the triangular piece at the bottom tucks under the base?


    And what about molding an MQ-1 into the keyslot area?
    Oooo! Now there's an idea! Was it positioned the same way in all versions of the helmet? I noticed on the ROTJ helmet that there's a couple little deelybobs sticking out of the bottom two keyslots, that aren't the ESB version. Seperate part options maybe?

    -Sarge
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    Feb 27, 2007, 3:31 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #7

    Oh, on the ear pieces, I thought I might just leave that market to Lee and his metal ears Like I do with BKBT and his RF stalks.

    Thoughts?

    -Sarge
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    Feb 27, 2007, 4:02 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #8

    Sarge, that's a good idea...unless Lee or BKBT ever stop production on those pieces. It would suck to get a helmet, then not be able to get the accessories to fit.

    It may be a better idea to update those items as well. I like where this is going!
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    Feb 27, 2007, 4:21 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #9

    Now i'm gonna have to buy another one...lol.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 4:23 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #10

    I like the ideas so far but I would not care for the MQ-1 to be molded in.

    As a separate piece would be nice though.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 4:44 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #11

    Quote kbrosseau said: View Post
    I like the ideas so far but I would not care for the MQ-1 to be molded in.

    As a separate piece would be nice though.
    I agree, as some may want to install a vent/mesh instead of the board.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 5:31 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #12

    Just out of curiosity, what would keep them from installing a vent/mesh if the MQ-1 was molded in? They would still have to cut out the keyslots either way.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 5:34 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #13

    Quote SgtFang said: View Post
    Borden Connector- I scratch built a new 3 hole one when I cleaned up the lava helmet, but now that I've got the ref disk, I noticed it's the two hole version on the ESB helmet. If it's the 3 hole version on the PP2, I'll leave the connector off the main pattern and include both types as seperate pieces
    Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never seen anything to indicate a 2 hole Borden connector on the ESB helmet:
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    Feb 27, 2007, 5:54 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #14

    Quote AFettFullofDollars said: View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what would keep them from installing a vent/mesh if the MQ-1 was molded in? They would still have to cut out the keyslots either way.
    With a separate piece, it becomes the wearer's option as to which version. If the piece is molded it, one would have to cut it out, possible destroying the board (depending on how it was molded), in order to install the screen.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 6:15 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #15

    Hey Sarge. How bout instead of offering a 2 part ear piece just getting rid of the existing seat to make it easier to install another makers 2 part ear piece kit?

    I just recently finished sanding off my old rf ear seat but I end up having to bondo it back up a bit since I dremeled too far.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 6:18 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #16

    Quote batninja said: View Post
    With a separate piece, it becomes the wearer's option as to which version. If the piece is molded it, one would have to cut it out, possible destroying the board (depending on how it was molded), in order to install the screen.

    But even if it is molded in, the wearer still has the option to cut out the keyslots to install a screen. Since they would be opting for the screen instead of the MQ-1, saving the board wouldn't really be an issue. The molded in board saves the customers wanting to make Boba helmets a step in the prepping process and doesn't add anymore work to those wanting to install a screen or vent.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 6:19 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #17

    I like! I like!
    I'd love to see the squared off cheeks and "corrected" angle on the rear vanes. But no molded in circuit board.
    As for the ears. . . would there be a way to re-do the upper ear cap to make a slightly different set up? In other words, a flat "base" molded into the helmet, then a 2-piece cap.
    I would agree with the others above who said make the mods to a casting, rather than your original.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 6:36 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #18

    Sounds interesting. Will these changes/additions affect the price of the helmet?
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    Feb 27, 2007, 8:34 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #19

    Quote NoHumorMan said: View Post
    Sounds interesting. Will these changes/additions affect the price of the helmet?
    Hehe, definately... But; it'll be the best kit on the market when I'm done! 8)

    I've found a new resin to cast them in too, but it's too expensive to use at the current price. It's amazingly strong stuff though- We cast a helmet with it last week, and the first thing I did was drop it on the concrete floor from above my head. It BOUNCED like 3-4' high and was fine except for a scuff. It was so much fun we ended up doing it a couple dozen more times until it finally cracked in the area of the visor that gets cut out.

    The downside is the stuff is expensive as hell- 145.00 per gallon, over 600.00 for a 5 gal kit.

    Also, I think I'm going to run the next molds out of GI-1100 silicone that's stretchier than what I've been using- that should enable me to eliminate the split in the back of the mold for a truly seamless casting.

    -Sarge
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    Feb 27, 2007, 8:46 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #20

    How much resin does it take to make a helmet?
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    Feb 27, 2007, 8:54 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #21

    Quote GCNgamer128 said: View Post
    How much resin does it take to make a helmet?
    Hmmm, never really thought about it. Let's see, 6 coats @ 7 oz. per coat, plus an extra 7 oz. for the RF topper and earpieces... 49 oz.

    Anyone know how that converts out to pints and quarts and such?

    -Sarge

    ok, I cheated and ran to Google

    it looks like 2.612244897959183673...... helmet kits per gallon 8)
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    Feb 27, 2007, 8:58 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #22

    49oz = 0.3828473 gallons.

    So you could get about 15-16 helmets out of 6 gallons. If my math is correct.
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    Feb 27, 2007, 11:49 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #23

    I think that a lot of Fett helmet-makers tend to overlook one thing when molding a Fett Bucket……the "RAISED EARS".
    It’s the little extra lip that the ears sit on top of, on both sides.

    I think this also helps give the Fett bucket that “FLARE” everyone talks about.

    The reason I say that is I’ve seen a lot of helmets up-close in my day....okay well pretty much ALL of them ….and the one helmet that seems to get it right, in my mind, is the MSH2.

    Here’s what I mean……..(pics)

    hope this helps.

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    Feb 28, 2007, 11:47 AM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #24

    So Sarge, will you still offer the good ole helmets too after you make a better one?
    You know, for people like me with no money or skills to play with?:o
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    Feb 28, 2007, 12:39 PM - Re: Accurizing the Mystery Helmet! #25

    I reccomend once the new molds are done to offer this in fiberglass. Why make it accurate... or more so then it is and not offer a fiberglass helemt. Thats what the screen used was.

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