Batman and Robin--Ick.
i have heard that this movie is great... and that it is terrible. obviously it wont be raiders of the lost ark... but i will watch it so i can form my own opinion since everyone is split.
I just saw it, and really liked it!
A worthy installment, but still a little too much of an homage to the previous three films.
Overall, it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it!
Hardly the worst movie ever made. Far from it actually!
That title goes to "Seed of Chucky"
I think the origional post hit a chord. Most of todays movies treat Everyone like they have ADHD and cannot pay attention unless things ar breaking bashing and jumping around constantly. Without those slower poetic scenes in Indy and Star wars the action itself is pointless and unappreiciable. CGI I am not impressed with it seems to lack the depth of a real environment or the expression ( most of the time). a moie should have poetic moments and have the double crecendo movement to balance the scenes. just my 2 cents and uhmm.....cough ... cough keeper of souls.
I'll put in a vote for Epic Movie as one of the very worst ever made.
(and don't be talkin no smack about Maximum Overdrive...how I would love to have a semi with a Green Goblin face on the front!)
I'll admit that when I walked out of the Theater today I was highly disappointed. What a truly bogus concept for an INDIANA JONES MOVIE!
Lets see logical procession...Find the Lost Ark, Find the Sankara (sp?) stones, Find the Holy Grail, Find "Aliens"? Are you serious? For a while I was hoping the Predator might show up. Going with the earlier comment, yes the Tarzan moment was horrible and had I not yet finished my popcorn I might have walked out then (who am I kidding... I'm just cheap I've never walked out of a movie that I can remember off hand)
I could have done completely without Shia Lebouf, Shayla Lepoof, Shaquila O'Neila whatever his name is. Totally not the right element for this movie.
Also going with earlier comments...I was walking back to my car and found myself thinking that Spielberg and Lucas have lost something over the years. I mean I really do appreciate them wanting to continue the stories and doing what they do, but aliens in Indiana Jones and the midichlorians just about say enough.
There were hardly any moments in it that "felt" like an Indiana Jones Movie.
I guess the only good moments in it for me were seeing Harrison Ford in the Indy gear again, A quick glimpse of the Ark, and hmmmnn...Well I'll have to think a little more about what else.
I really hate to bash like this on a movie that has one of my childhood idols, but there really needed to be a lot more oversight on this. I just wish that the series hadn't gone out like this.
I guess the one good thing that came out of this is that Temple of Doom is no longer my least favorite of the series.
Alright... Just got back... 3 SST2 bug legs... for sure. Sucktastic. Worst movie ever? No. It had Harrison in it, so it can't be. But absolutely TERRIBLE! Here is my question for those of you that liked it; if Indiana Jones, an icon we all love, wasn't in this movie and was replaced by someone else, would you have still liked it? We all love Indy. We all want to see Indy. But are we willing to give a horrible movie a pass just for one final glimpse of our hero? This had so many "Phantom Menace" faux pas moments I couldn't even begin to count them. I can't believe we made it through without a fart or poop joke. It is sad that I don't say that in jest or with sarcasm, but in all seriousness. The level this movie was written to pander to really should have had at least one good fart joke. Maybe they could have had a father/son fart contest and then the crazy guy could say he won cause he pooped his pants! Think that idea is absurd? No more so than the junk we were asked to swallow.
To me, Indiana Jones, the character, has always been fairly well based in reality. Sure we have been asked to suspend our belief in the capabilities of one man throughout the course of the trilogy, (the ridiculous raft scene from ToD comes to mind), but there is suspesion of belief and then there is surviving a nuclear blast a ground zero, being hurtled for hundreds of yard in a fridge, swinging through jungle like Chewbacca on Endor (at least he kinda looks like a monkey) and so many absolutely absurd life and death escapes stacked on top of one another that even the most ardent fan must take pause. This wasn't an adventure movie. This wasn't Indiana Jones. This was a cartoon where there was never any real sense of life and death danger. How many of YOUR mothers would give you instructions on proper foot placement while you fought for your life against a crazed Russian who is sword fighting with you between two moving vehicles that are hurtling through uneven terrain at speeds one wouldn't feel safe driving at on the highway? Way to heighten the suspense there... Just pathetic.
Of recent times:
Transformers (what a dose of ****)
King Kong (seriously, Peter Jackson has way too much time on his hands)
Looking forward to seeing just how bad this movie is or isn't
As much as i hate to say this, nearly everything listed above was much the cause of my sleepless night. I don't usually walk out of a movie confused, much less feel betrayed by someone i owe much of my childhood happiness too. I remember thinking i felt very uneasy about the trailer with it's very second rate CGI work, but talked myself out of the doubt, having seen Iron man the fortnight before. ILM was heavily involved in that (according to the credits) and that CGI was some of the best i have ever seen, so what did i have to worry about right?
I wish now that i hadn't gone and seen this, i really do. Initially i missed the Nazis, then Indy survived seeing a mushroom cloud at point blank range. About the time Indy was given a happy ending with a bristly looking broom in the shower and the Janitor from Scrubs questioning his loyalties is where i sank into my seat. Marlin Brando wannabe turned up with an angry attitude, and the rest is pretty much a blur.
I actually know paritally what is was like the the original SW fans to grow up, wait 20 years for a new one, then pretty much pay to be kicked in the nuts by the great bearded one. What happened to him over the last 20 years that made him lose that unique touch that left a perminant mark on film making forever after? I don't remember the last time it actually hurt to watch a movie like that. Some of my earliest memories are of watching raiders on the tv, wearing a ratty old acoubra and screaming at everyone to not talk through "indiana man"
I hope this franchise is not continued and is left to die quietly in the shade.
I might catch heck for this, but think about it...
That could be said for any of the sequels.
Raiders was it, man. Pure awesome celluloid.
The other films (and I'm not bashing them, I love them! Yes, even ToD.) were spin-offs with the same character. Hence the title "Indiana Jones and the..."
Raiders was just "Raiders of the Lost Ark."
If you can suspend belief for The Ark of the Covenant, ghosts, melting faces, The Holy Grail, 700 year old knights, Sankara stones, hypnotism, and still beating hearts, I ask you, are Extra Terrestrials less plausible?
I think the thing I liked most about Indy 4 was that it seemed like a commentary on the 1950's.
There were elements in the film that were pop-culture and real life.
Jocks vs Greasers
Big Bugs (see THEM!)
"I Like Ike"
How the US government accused people of being Commies and blacklisted them.
Tarzan (Huge in the 50's)
It was essentially a b-movie in an a-movie format, as Spielberg put it. If you went in expecting another Raiders, you shouldn't have gone in at all.
Although, I agree it could have been a much better and well-made film.
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I think what is most interesting is to see what some say is "the worst movie". In some cases I agree that it could be in the running, while in others I really don't see where a person is coming from. I think there also may be an element of "fresh in the mind" that influences our choice of what movie to vote as worst. For instance, upon further reflection - although I really do deeply dislike 2001: A Space Oddyssey - I think the absolute worst movie I have ever seen was the follow-up to Rocky Horror, Shock Treatment. I *might* actually sit through some of 2001 again - if I'm really bored - but I would clamber through a stone wall with nothing but my fingernails and teeth to get away from Shock Treatment.
Bobamatt - I couldn't agree more with your comment that aliens are no less believeable than "the power of god" shooting out of the ark, or the shankara stones doing stuff, 700 year old knight, etc. There's stuff going on in the original Indy movies that is pretty out there.
Not to me. Everyone is different and believes different things.
Maybe that's why you didn't like it.
I still liked it, but the theme of the other movies were mostly based on religions more widely accepted than believing aliens were your gods. That's what got to me. It wasn't surprising, but just wayyyy more far-fetched than the other Indy's. But the biggest thing that bugged me, was really the absence of Nazis. Makes sense I guess since it's set after WWII.
But hey, would a lead lined fridge really protect you from an A-bomb? Nahhhh, maybe protect from radiation, but it still would've been incinerated in the initial blast, right?
I have seen this argument a couple of times with the whole religion vs aliens thing. My prob is that I have no issue believing the alien aspect in the Indy world. I don't like how it was hamfistedly pummeled into the Indy mythos, but my issue isn't that "I can't believe they had aliens." Mine is...
I can't believe a multi-million dollar movie started out with a freakin' CG rat... Couldn't they get a real gopher? I mean really. How hard would that have been?
I can't believe they went from area 51 to putting Indy in the center of a nuclear blast zone that had absolutely jack to do with the movie. What? Did they think I missed the dress and vehicles and the date they flashed up on the screen? Did they think it too something the size of a nuclear blast for it to click in my mind "oooohhh.... this movie is set in blah blah blah decade?"
I can't believe they asked me to believe Indy could have flewn 3 football fields in a fridge and not come out looking like jelly.
I can't believe how lame and cheesy the bad guys were and that they never once really did anything bad except for in the very first few minutes of the movie.
I can't believe they took 20 years to give me a movie that had no plot, no logic and little more than cliques...
I won't go on, but you get my point. In comparison to all of this ridiculous stuff... yeah, aliens are pretty easy to believe in.
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Are aliens really more unbelieveable than the "power of the Ark"? I'm not saying I believe in little green men from mars, but lightning bots shooting out of a box and melting people's faces? And drinking some water from an old cup giving a person "eternal life"? Reaching in and pulling a person's heart from his chest, and have him still alive to watch what you do with it?
Oh, and the comments people have made about "no Nazis"... well, it does take place after the end of the Third Reich, in keeping with the age difference between original movies Indy and new movie Indy. It would be silly to either stick some Nazis in there for old-time sake, or just ignore the obvious age difference and pretend it was still 20 or so years earlier. I think that should have been a given.
The Indy movies have never been grounded in fact. They only take existing stories of artefacts and elaborate on them, exaggerating the fanciful aspect they have often come to be associated with. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but so far the crystal skulls are the only artefacts that are known to actually exist. The Ark, the Shankara Stones, the Grail.... none of these things have actually been found. They, so far, only exist in myth. The skulls, on the other hand, have been found and exist in museums. Chances are they are not pre-columbian in construction - or have any kind of metaphysical properties - but at least they do exist.
So Brak's, you think they jumped the shark in this one?
I totally agree with BobaMatt on this...
And seriously, this movie has as much "mythological fact" as any of the others.
there ARE big flesh eating ants that can strip a large animal in a matter of hours in some jungles in the world...
There are theories of egyptians and mayans being taught by "aliens" or some other being that is no longer here...
There are skulls found buried in the world.. Gypsy is correct...
The parts that got me were the fridge and the monkies. The rest of the movie was to me , better than Temple of Doom any day. Screw Kate... blech. and as a girl.. made props to Marion Ravenwood. she looks as pretty as ever.
Iron Man was a better movie, sure.. but this was fun. I loved Indy telling Mutt about his Young Indiana Jones adventure with Pancho... and even though it should have been named Indiana Graffiti and the Close Encounters Stargate... I'll buy it when it comes out.
Good point Brak's.
I too feel that after 20 years, we could have had a little more.
Also, I agree that SOME of the CGI was questionable.
However, for what it was, I really liked it.
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