Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

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    Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    * this as a discussion not an agrument to change a 501st policy*

    Apparently since the release of the Hasbro Clone helmet the "talented ones" have been able to modify this toy to make it have the appearance it should have from the movies.
    From this point forward I am speaking of a modified helmet that does look like a clone helmet in the movie and animated series.Not a unmodified helmet or atleast one with the front unchanged.
    I have read with in the body of a couple of threads that this helmet would not be approved by the 501st as part of a Clone outfit.Why is that?
    I dont understand why it would not be approved.If the craftsmanship in modifing looks good then should it not accepted.Whta is the difference going this route compired to buying a "high dollar" kit and having to build it.
    Are not most of the outfit pieces of the members of the 501st made from modifing something elses or what is come to be known as "scratch built" pieces?
    There are one or two vendors whose craftsmanship of the clone helmet is to be less then good and most of the time thier products have to be "tweaked".
    Is it the idea of this helmet being made from a $30 toy the issue of not accepting it for approval?
    Maybe it is just the over all dimension of the helmet and not the fact that it is a modified toy.
    It is a shame because there are some great looking modified helmets with "how to" instructions starting to come out on the "boards"

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    I totally agree with you. There are tons of people permited into the Legion with unmodified Rubies helmets, and the thin as paper Kellogs AOTC Clone bucket is allowed in also as long as it is modified. I believe that as long as the prop looks professional, the origin of it should be irrelavent.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    I too feel that the origin should be irrelevent, so long as the finished product is up to par. I've seen a modified Kellogs, which is typically deemed acceptable, and they look horrible. The shape is all wrong!

    The Hasbro, properly modified, is a great looking helmet and is closely scaled to the more popular fan mades.

    I say let them in, provided they look good.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    I did notice in a thread that it 'may not be acceptable'. So does it depend on the person responsible for clearance?

    I can't see why it would not be allowed if done to the correct standard, and perhaps more interestingly would it be acceptable if a cast of the same helmet was made in fiber glass?

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    fiberglass is overrated.

    where is this thread?

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    I'm pretty sure the person who said that is just a normal member and not a GMO/GML

    It was just something stated by someone probably assuming unmodified, or not modified well.

    I am willing to bet that these will be accepted if modified well. There are a lot of "grandfathered" in people as well, I dont think people accept in new members with unmodified rubies helmets anymore. At least not in Florida anyway

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    yeah, the may not be acceptable thing wasn't any official policy. just a comment from a member.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    As long as the end result is as accurate as possible, I would think it wouldn't be a problem.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    I am modifying one as we speak/type and I certainly believe its dimensionally better than the Kellogs helmet

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    yeah if it's modified, then definitely. because the way it is..ick

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    I'm not saying this is an amazing comparison but thought I would throw it up anyway, heres my Hasbro about half way through its conversion with an AOTC screen grab for comparison, its not bad really
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails compare-jpg  

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    HeadlessHunter said: View Post
    I'm not saying this is an amazing comparison but thought I would throw it up anyway, heres my Hasbro about half way through its conversion with an AOTC screen grab for comparison, its not bad really
    Looks GREAT! Care to share how you did this...

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    Is there anything that can be done about the jutting chin without major surgery?

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    My original comment that a modified hasbro helmet may not be 501st acceptable was only meant to say that slapping some bondo on it will not guarantee 501st acceptability. I don't speak for the 501st, although I am a member of the staff of the official 501st Clonetroopers detachment. I enjoy seeing the mods done to this helmet and with some work it may be 501st acceptable. That will be up to the 501st to decide, I was just noting that the helmet itself is not guaranteed to be accepted if only marginally modified.

    I fully agree that the origin of a helmet should not make a difference. If you slap a gallon of bondo on the hasbro helmet so that it looks totally accurate, nobody will care what it started out of. However, it will take a lot more than filling in a few spots and changing the visor to make it more accurate, IMO. The comparison photo above shows several issues that need to be addressed.

    With regard to existing clones using modified Rubies/Kelloggs, those helmets and those troopers should no longer be acceptable. Most of those helmets were made many years ago, when there was not much available. Standards have progressed considerably since then and what was acceptable then is no longer necessarily acceptable now. So the excuse that TC's were accepted 4 years ago with modified Kelloggs helmets doesn't really work.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    They look better than the actual screen CG versions IMO (minus the visable seams and what not). They look like they were based more off the Clone Wars cartoon (not the recently released movie) than the Episode II version IMO which I think is a good thing.

    -Tony Vida; TK 3204; Austin, Tx

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    anyone else have the issue with the headband in it being too small and having to wear it with it not fastened and still have it be tight? any way to remedy this without a total deconstruction?

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    as far as i knew, GML's havn't been granted permission to admit clones yet. and all clone submissions have to be cleared with the legion LMO way high up on the food chain.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    mandosoldier said: View Post
    anyone else have the issue with the headband in it being too small and having to wear it with it not fastened and still have it be tight? any way to remedy this without a total deconstruction?
    There is an adjustment on for the headband on the front and back, did you check both? It gets pretty big.

    -Tony Vida; TK 3204; Austin, Tx

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    Thanks for that comparison picture HH! I wasnt aware that the helmets were so different from each other. Seeing that view, I could tell why one might not be accepted into the 501st Legion, but as Donny said, itś up to the 501st to make judgements on what is or what isnt permitted in the Legion.

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    Does the Hasbro just look longer, front to back at the bottom, than the movie helmet because of the photo, or is it shaped like that?

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    Re: Why not a modified Hasbro helmet?

    There are many issues with the overall shape of the Hasbro helmet, all I am doing is trying to make it as AOTC accurate 'as is reasonably possible' I could spend an almost unlimited amount of time trying to get all the angels somewhere close but thats not what I'm doing, I'm just tackling the project for fun, because its there

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