vacuum forming question

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    vacuum forming question

    Never done vac forming before and I had a question. If the item I want to use as a mold is plastic, would it melt or stick when the heated plastic touches it? Is there any kind of chemical suck as cooking spray or vaseline that would keep it from sticking. I'm wanting to use my Boba gaunts as a mold for another set of gaunts that I can modify into a set of Jango gaunts.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    Wait for it......

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    A re-caster!! Nooooooo

    Lol. Good enough woody? or do you want the page long lecture?

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    I would actually like a straight answer instead of all the smart alec comments. I have never done vac forming and thought someone on here MIGHT have done this before and would be able to help me. I specialize in metal. The gaunts I have would be decent for a mold so that I could go from there and make what ever mods I want. Also I don't want a metal cod piece. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a piece of sheet metal by my groin.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    You could probably use a product called spray mold release... but honestly the way plastics work I think any type of oily spray releaser would work. you just saturate it like you would a cooking pan.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    Thank you, that actually helps a bunch. I didn't want to have to buy a new set every time I built a kit. This way I can make a plaster mold and build from there.

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    If you are are using someone elses work as a base, that is recasting, and extremely frowned upon. If you want a base to start with, you can use wizard of flight templates and build a set out of plastic for sale signs reinforced with some fiberglass and then modify that to your requirements.
    Last edited by Darth Voorhees; Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM.

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    wthrgssr75 said: View Post
    I would actually like a straight answer instead of all the smart alec comments.
    Well, since you asked so nicely

    The reason people are reacting the way they are is that what you are talking about is generally called recasting. If you get a set of gauntlets from someone else and make copies, even just for your own use, that will effectively get you tarred and feathered in every prop making community I'm aware of.

    This assumption comes from the scenario you describe: You said you have plastic Boba gauntlets to use. If you made them yourself, you would already know how to work with plastic, or could just do another pull off of your molds.

    So, the logical deduction there is that you got them from someone else, thus inferring that you are copying something you did not make.

    Experienced prop makers aren't likely to provide much assistance if they think you are going to essentially be stealing the work of another prop maker.

    You may not want to buy another set for every project, but that doesn't mean it's OK to take the hard work someone else put in on sculpting those originals and reproduce it without permission.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    What I need is the basic body of both gaunts. No whip cord box, no flame thrower box, no lowers. Just the basic upper bodies where the rocket sits for the left and the darts go on the right. I'm not taking someone elses work and claiming it for myself. When I ask a simple question and start getting grief over it, it's expected to go on the deffensive. Since people claim to be experienced with plastic work, I thought they might be nice enough to offer tips. Wouldn't using blueprints that someone drafted be considered stealing their design? Food for thought.

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    Wizard of flight makes his templates public. He designed them and offers them for free. Nothing wrong with it when the maker says you can have them. I made a helmet from these templates. They are simple to use and noone will give you grief, ever, about it. He has templates for gaunts, jetpacks, helmets, pretty much everything for a fett/jango.

    There are plenty of people here who ARE experienced in plastic work, but like brian said, experienced prop makers aren't likely to provide much assistance if they think you are going to essentially be stealing the work of another prop maker.

    On this site, most of us do the work ourselves, or just buy from the propmakers that do the work.

    The WOF templates are super easy to use and you can get a great base with very little time/money spent. They should give you what you need to do what your looking to do.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    Are they just glued together? Or do you need a mold of some kind to bend them accurately? Like I said, metal is something that I have worked for years, plastic (sintra) I've never worked with. I'm being accused of being a thief just for asking a question. What's the difference in taking a partial mold from something you bought and buying the item from someone else whole made a mold of the original?

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    Like stated above GENERALLY speaking what your asking is recasting someone elses work. If you tooled everything with wood it would be YOUR work. But taking someones gaunts they molded making a cast of it is recasting. By buying the part you didnt receive the right to reproduce it...just like copying a DVD is illegal. You bought the right to use that gauntlet and resell it to someone else if you choose but not to copy it and sell it or even copy it and use it yourself for a base.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    plastic is just like metal man it will behave in all the same was. you can bend,break,weld,metal it. do a search for WOF templates and download the gaunts then look at the way he's broken them down into many different sections. I made my Jetpack from them. Just listen to people telling you about the recasting stuff. If you get a rep for having the intention to recast even if you just want to use it yourself vendors wont want to sell to you.

    plus there are great differences in Boba and Jango gaunts even though they appear to look the same.

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    They can be glued together. When i made my helmet i used tape and hot glue as i knew i was going to coat it with bondo at some point to do the fine tuning of the details.

    Check out brians page on how he made a set of gaunts from those templates with "for sale" signs here: Fett gauntlets - Workshop to get an idea how they go together. Basically you can do what he did here to do yours.

    I did my helmet similar but used posterboard and then coated the inside with fiberglass. Then i put bondo on the outside to fine tune and tweak details. Then i took a mold and cast them in fiberglass and some in resin. You can see my threads for the helmet build here:http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/d...h-build-31411/ (keep in mind it took me a long time cuz i stopped workin on it for almost a year lol)

    For the record, noone is accusing you of being a thief. Recasting is a very touchy subject in the prop/costuming community, and people just want to point out that it appears you wanted to do something that will give you problems in the community. Hence why i suggested the templates rather than just go on about "*** your going to recast someones stuff etc". I offered another means to mdo what you were trying to do. You can use those templates without any repercussion and still easily get done what your trying to accomplish without recasting.
    Last edited by Darth Voorhees; Jan 10, 2012 at 6:50 AM.

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    wthrgssr75 said: View Post
    What I need is the basic body of both gaunts. No whip cord box, no flame thrower box, no lowers. Just the basic upper bodies where the rocket sits for the left and the darts go on the right. I'm not taking someone elses work and claiming it for myself.
    Unfortunately that's exactly what you are doing. It's seriously, seriously frowned upon to make molds off of something another person did without the original artist's permission.

    Even if the original is a found item, it's still thought of as wrong to recast it.

    So, even if you are only copying the shells of whatever kit you have, that's still not a good thing.

    Wouldn't using blueprints that someone drafted be considered stealing their design? Food for thought.
    Not if the person posts them publicly and offers them up for that purpose.

    People bust butt to make things for the community, so there is an understanding that the community will respect the creator's wishes.

    While there is nothing legally that can be done to you if you do choose to copy what you have, you'll find that prop makers won't sell you anything because they will be afraid of what you might do. Many makers maintain blacklists of people they won't deal with. Once you get on one, you don't really get back off.

    So really, it's up to you how you want to handle it.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    Dude with the original question, PM me.

    I know several prop makers here in Orlando at Universal that can help you out with your questions. I can understand the replies that others are giving you if you were going out and reselling someones work but what you are doing does not seem in the slightest questionable at least not to me.

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    Re: vacuum forming question

    I think you could use talc to keep the plastic from sticking together.

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