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    Oct 21, 2010, 3:50 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #151

    Hello guys,

    I sent on Facebook to Gary Chaboya ( the real one) this PM:

    Hello Gary,

    Maybe you do not know me. My name is Alfredo from Spain, a great Star Wars collector. I bought some items from a guy selling on ebay Star Wars props under the name Fan_Made, that he is using your name in order to register on the forums, and for selling purpouses. Not only me, but some other have been ripped off by him. We did file claims with the FBI, and the local police, so maybe you will be contact by them soon.... You should contact the FBI as he is using your name to steal.(Identity Theft). This is his business:

    Fan Made Creations
    Fan Made Creations 824 "A" Dodsworth Ave.
    Covina, California 91724
    Email:
    Shizzy4you@gmail.com
    Customer Service Email: shizzy4you@gmail.com
    Customer Service Phone: 626-665-8509


    Regards

    Alfredo



    Let's see what happens...
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    Oct 24, 2010, 6:39 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #152

    Anything happenin. With this?
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    Oct 25, 2010, 11:34 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #153

    I have not heard a thing.
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    Oct 25, 2010, 11:35 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #154

    chucky did you ever get your han casting that was promised?
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    Oct 29, 2010, 4:33 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #155

    Hello guys,

    I got the answer from the Real Gary Chavoya, saying that he has nothing do do with him, and that another member of this forum did contact him about the same thing.

    So far, i think that the only thing that we can do is to stop by his office (we have his address), and talk to him face to face. I wish that i could do that, but i am afraid that a big ocean does not let me do it. One of us that lives close enough, should do us a favor and stop by to talk to him....

    Also, it would be great to find out his real name and adress, in order to find new ways of recovering our money.


    Please guys, we have to solve this....


    Thanks


    Alfredo
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    Nov 7, 2010, 4:53 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #156

    I got this from the real Gary on Facebook:

    Hello Alfredo,

    I did indeed work for him in the past and I did let him use my account for a short while. there was an agreement not to soil my name but apparently it has been happening. Ive contacted him about the issue and he is indeed working on getting all your orders out. the last time i spoke to him was about a week ago and too my knowlage he is redoing all the orders and contacting everyone about it. I will continute to talk to him about your orders as ive seen the postings on

    "http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f22/updated-list-ripped-off-theothergary-gary-chaboya-fan_made-ebay-38168/index2.html" .

    Again, ill keep you updated but id appreciate it if you and your other forum members would discontinue messaging me as I am not the one that "shafted" you guys for your items.





    And this is my answer.....


    Thanks for your answer Gary!!

    I ordered and paid my items one year ago, and he was all the time saying that my items were shipped, and every time that i did contact him, he keep on saying the same..... that is why i do not trust him now. Me and the rest of the forums members have had the same problem, and as far as i know, none of us has got a single item.

    "the last time i spoke to him was about a week ago and too my knowlage he is redoing all the orders and contacting everyone about it" That is not true, and he is llying to you, as well as to us


    We gave him the last chance a few months ago, and like i said, none of them got anything. Then what we did was to file a claim against your name (the name he gave us) with the FBI and the Local Police dept. I have no problem about telling the other members the truth, and tell the FBI and Police that you are not the one... but we need the real name of this person. Think that you have to protect yourself, and that giving us his name is the correct thing, so we can change the name on the claims (FBI and police), so that way you will not have any legal problem. If something happens, it will be in your file for a long time, and even getting a job will not be easy!!!

    Please think about it.

    Best regards

    Alfredo
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    Nov 10, 2010, 1:19 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #157

    Hi guys....still. have not received anything and have had no further communications with gary or whateve his name is. Sadly
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    Nov 10, 2010, 5:29 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #158

    I hate to say it..but I think this guy has no intention of refunding your money or sending you the product. Rip off/con artists will lie & say anything in order to stall for time, and then they'll try to disappear & hide from their former customers. (This is how they work.) This is why you shouldn't hesitate any longer, and take this matter as soon as possible to the law enforcement authorities, and to a lawyer. If you give him any more chances & more warnings, he'll just take take advantage of you. Many con artists are counting that you will eventually give up & won't do anything about it. (And they get to keep your money.)
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    Nov 28, 2010, 3:38 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #159

    Please guys do not forget about this !!!!


    There has to be something to be done!!

    Every time i see the things that i bought and that i never got.... i get really pissed off!!!
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    Dec 2, 2010, 12:13 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #160

    i dont know what else to do, if we dont even have his real name or address what can we do? the only way is supeona his paypal account info with his real name and address. he is no longer responding to me .
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    Dec 2, 2010, 12:45 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #161

    I wish i was living in the US!!!

    First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

    Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and donīt telling it....

    Come on guys !! There are many things that we can do !!!!


    Thanks


    Alfredo
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    Dec 2, 2010, 12:47 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #162

    I wish i was living in the US!!!

    First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

    Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and donīt telling it....

    Come on guys !! There are many things that we can do !!!!


    Thanks


    Alfredo
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    Dec 2, 2010, 1:37 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #163

    Quote Madrid Boba said: View Post
    First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

    Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and donīt telling it....
    I have no idea why I just read this entire thread, but sadly I did. First of all, I don't believe that what you're suggesting is the right way to go about handling this. This isn't an episode of Magnum PI. Get the police or other authorities involved locally, give them all of your information, give them your receipts, hand it off to them, and then contact them for updates to the case. They should be your point of contact from that point on. Running off on your own to confront someone or telling someone else to do it for you since you live in a different country is a great way to get someone hurt. It only takes the person being confronted to feel threatened and do something stupid and hurt someone.

    Short answer: Turn it over to the authorities and let them handle it.

    Will you listen? Likely not based on the rest of the thread, but at least I've said my peace about it. With that, I'm done and I hope it is resolved for you and no one gets hurt.

    Brad
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    Dec 2, 2010, 6:51 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #164

    Hello Brad,

    you said "I have no idea why I just read this entire thread, but sadly I did", and i do not understand why you said "sadly". Sadly for me and maybe for other people means to pay something and get nothing. Means to be unable to get his real name in order to sue him. Means to file a report with the local police and the FBI and have heard nothing about them.....

    I am not the mafia,i just want to find out who the f...k this guy is, his real name so we can sue him or do anything about it. You said that you read the whole thing.... but maybe you should read it again and again until you can understand what is going on. I hope that you will never have to go trough something like this.... but maybe it is the only way for you to understand it.

    I will not stop until i fix this, either with the help of the other members, or by myself...i promise !!


    I read this in your personal info "I would say that I am in my second childhood, but I don't think I ever left my first", and i totally agree....please get real!!
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    Dec 2, 2010, 7:54 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #165

    OK, so let's break this down for a moment...

    You've been taken for a ride and I'm sorry that you and others have been. I have been in the past as well and I allowed the proper authorities to handle it each time. In one instance it took over a year. I do know how it feels and I do know what it's like. I didn't, however, rant for 5 months on a public board about it and suggest that people go to their house, find them, confront them, or whatever else.

    Gathering the names of others taken for their money, acquiring amounts they were taken for, gathering receipts and dates of payments made, gathering e-mails of the back and forths to the seller are all good things to do to have enough information to go to the authorities. Past that, let them handle it. They have more tools at their disposal than either you or I do to get done what needs to be done. Including, but not limited to, finding out his real name.

    What isn't a terribly smart idea is the whole "hey, I have his address...let's all go and confront him". Like I said, it only takes them feeling threatened for something bad to happen. If that's what you want, then I certainly can't stop you. It's merely a suggestion about YOUR safety as well as the safety of others. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't roll up to someone's house making demands unless I REALLY knew that person. I don't know what toys they own and I wouldn't want to find out the hard way.

    I never said you had to stop pursuing it, but you may want to consider handling it by contacting those also affected and gathering your information outside of a thread. That way, you can be in contact with those who need your help and you don't have to worry about others (namely the gentleman you're trying to find) knowing about everything that is going on with the process.

    You may take my comments however you wish as they really weren't meant as a slight towards you. I will say though that poking fun at my signature is a lawltastic attempt at angering me. Next time try it with a little more feeling.

    Brad
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    Dec 3, 2010, 1:16 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #166

    Thanks Brad for your advice.

    Like i said, i never said that i wanted to threaten him, but it is true that a person normally behaves in a different way when you meet him in person. He feels safe because nowbody really knows who he is.... but once you do, chances are that he will not fell the same. Probably he should think.... " Ok, now they know who i am.....where i live,....etc"

    He can also think..." I am safe, they are thousand of miles away, " but i bet you that if i lived 20 miles fron his house this could have been different. In my case, i probably feel even worst because i am not even a US citizen......

    You are tellingt me "Next time try it with a little more feeling"....., and i am just telling you the same. You are telling us what we should do.... and as far as i am concerned i have done it. I keept contact with the other guys with PMīs, i filed reports, and i even talked to the West Covina police dept.... but the question is.... how can i start legal action against him, if i even do not know his name...?

    Also, it has been a long time since i came back from getting my college degree and working in the US (1991), and my english is not as good as it used to be, and that makes me express myself maybe in a rude way....

    I do not have the intention of starting a "fight" with anybody, but i do not feel confortable when someone tells me what to do (unless you are a lawyer and you want to help us). We all know that Law exists, and that it is the way to go, but finding his name does not make us criminals.....

    Thanks

    Alfredo
    Last edited by Madrid Boba; Dec 3, 2010 at 2:27 AM.
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    Dec 3, 2010, 6:09 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #167

    I am not trying to poke the bear here, but I think that we have all done as much as we legally can. I wish to leave it in the hands of the authorities. Another thing I have talked with Gary enough to know he is playing us all. The reason the one on face-book is not giving his real name because that is Gary. The man tried to pull the same thing when I first called him and he picked up, only to back peddle after a few minutes of talking to me. This man is never going to give us a straight answer, and that's his M.O. gentlemen. This man is a compulsive liar and is going to tell us what ever he thinks will get us to leave him alone, trust me my degree work is in psychology and I see these people all the time. Confronting him in person is only going to hurt any legal chance we may have in the future as well as put any of us in a situation that compromises our safety. This man has no business registry so there is nothing to hurt there, the resin can be bought online and shipped to a home. This guy is working out of a garage so there is no business to hurt. Have faith the legal system moves slow but it does move. It could be years before we see anything out of this, but i guarantee you this his name is registered and he will find it much harder to pull this over on someone else.
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    Dec 3, 2010, 11:24 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #168

    oK, but i will try to verify that he is the one..... and i will!!

    Thanks

    Alfredo
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    Dec 3, 2010, 5:10 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #169

    What I find interesting about this guy is that people buy from him all the time. I have seen the bust on several " collection " pictures and wonder why they aren't getting it for buying them. The images always look good but I wouldn't dare buy from him...him and chaucer44 guy as well. people will always buy from guys like this because the prices are cheaper vs. the crazy prices retailers have. just a fact of life sadly
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    Dec 3, 2010, 5:18 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #170

    When i bought those props, i did not know who the original makers were......

    The amazing thing is that ebay still lets them work with them time after time.....

    But the thing is, why not joint efforts in order to make the law work for us?


    Alfredo
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    Feb 22, 2011, 12:39 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #171

    hello guys...


    Are we "quiting" on this?


    Alfredo
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    Feb 23, 2011, 12:39 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #172

    I have not had any luck. Every time I call his number i get no answer, and text i keep getting back the same reply "its on its way". Personally we are chasing a ghost. It seems to be going no where. I hate it, and i cant stand to be cheated, but i see no end to this. I really don't know what else to do, and I have moved on.
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    Feb 23, 2011, 1:05 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #173

    It is a pity...


    I will not give up, and i will finally find a way, no matter how long will it take me !!!

    Alfredo
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    May 11, 2011, 9:42 PM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #174

    Sorry to bring up an old thread. Just wanted to say that this guy ripped me off as well, on ebay. Bought a pulse rifle model about a year ago, around $100. As others have said he just stalls until its too late to do anything. Guess I wont be giving anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore. Ive complained to ebay, paypal, and IC3 to no avail. Even talked to a local police officer (I live in Wisconsin), nothing seems to have come of that. Anyways you have another supporter, and I'm glad this forum is one of the first hits after googleing his name so that word can spread about how much of scumbag he his.
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    May 12, 2011, 10:25 AM - Re: UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay. #175

    I just muddled through this whole thread and here is my advice to all who were ripped off by this a-hole: You will NEVER get your items nor will you EVER get your money back. The facebook guy IS the same guy (it's plainly obvious by his response to Madrid). Do what I do.... I never spend more online from someone I don't know than what I'm WILLING to flat out lose. And don't buy off eBay, just like everybody's been saying here for years. The biggest losers on eBay and Paypal are the people running them. They will be no help for anything. As long as they get their cut they're happy.

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