UPDATED !! List of ripped off by Theothergary (Gary Chaboya) or Fan_made on ebay.

I wish i was living in the US!!!

First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and don´t telling it....

Come on guys !! There are many things that we can do !!!!


Thanks


Alfredo
 
I wish i was living in the US!!!

First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and don´t telling it....

Come on guys !! There are many things that we can do !!!!


Thanks


Alfredo
 
First thing to do, is to find out who his landlord is, i mean the landlord of his business place (we have the address). There should be also like a public register for his company. He must declare his incomes......and make invoices..(where he buys the resin, fiberglass....etc....

Also, he must have a car (parked close to his office). Someone living in California close to West Covina should take a look. Another thing is to tell to the real Gary M Chavoya that if he does not give us the real name, that we will sue him !!! In Spain, and i guess that also in the US, it is against law knowing that someone is breaking the law and don´t telling it....

I have no idea why I just read this entire thread, but sadly I did. First of all, I don't believe that what you're suggesting is the right way to go about handling this. This isn't an episode of Magnum PI. Get the police or other authorities involved locally, give them all of your information, give them your receipts, hand it off to them, and then contact them for updates to the case. They should be your point of contact from that point on. Running off on your own to confront someone or telling someone else to do it for you since you live in a different country is a great way to get someone hurt. It only takes the person being confronted to feel threatened and do something stupid and hurt someone.

Short answer: Turn it over to the authorities and let them handle it.

Will you listen? Likely not based on the rest of the thread, but at least I've said my peace about it. With that, I'm done and I hope it is resolved for you and no one gets hurt.

Brad
 
Hello Brad,

you said "I have no idea why I just read this entire thread, but sadly I did", and i do not understand why you said "sadly". Sadly for me and maybe for other people means to pay something and get nothing. Means to be unable to get his real name in order to sue him. Means to file a report with the local police and the FBI and have heard nothing about them.....

I am not the mafia,i just want to find out who the f...k this guy is, his real name so we can sue him or do anything about it. You said that you read the whole thing.... but maybe you should read it again and again until you can understand what is going on. I hope that you will never have to go trough something like this.... but maybe it is the only way for you to understand it.

I will not stop until i fix this, either with the help of the other members, or by myself...i promise !!


I read this in your personal info "I would say that I am in my second childhood, but I don't think I ever left my first", and i totally agree....please get real!!
 
OK, so let's break this down for a moment...

You've been taken for a ride and I'm sorry that you and others have been. I have been in the past as well and I allowed the proper authorities to handle it each time. In one instance it took over a year. I do know how it feels and I do know what it's like. I didn't, however, rant for 5 months on a public board about it and suggest that people go to their house, find them, confront them, or whatever else.

Gathering the names of others taken for their money, acquiring amounts they were taken for, gathering receipts and dates of payments made, gathering e-mails of the back and forths to the seller are all good things to do to have enough information to go to the authorities. Past that, let them handle it. They have more tools at their disposal than either you or I do to get done what needs to be done. Including, but not limited to, finding out his real name.

What isn't a terribly smart idea is the whole "hey, I have his address...let's all go and confront him". Like I said, it only takes them feeling threatened for something bad to happen. If that's what you want, then I certainly can't stop you. It's merely a suggestion about YOUR safety as well as the safety of others. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't roll up to someone's house making demands unless I REALLY knew that person. I don't know what toys they own and I wouldn't want to find out the hard way.

I never said you had to stop pursuing it, but you may want to consider handling it by contacting those also affected and gathering your information outside of a thread. That way, you can be in contact with those who need your help and you don't have to worry about others (namely the gentleman you're trying to find) knowing about everything that is going on with the process.

You may take my comments however you wish as they really weren't meant as a slight towards you. I will say though that poking fun at my signature is a lawltastic attempt at angering me. Next time try it with a little more feeling.

Brad
 
Thanks Brad for your advice.

Like i said, i never said that i wanted to threaten him, but it is true that a person normally behaves in a different way when you meet him in person. He feels safe because nowbody really knows who he is.... but once you do, chances are that he will not fell the same. Probably he should think.... " Ok, now they know who i am.....where i live,....etc"

He can also think..." I am safe, they are thousand of miles away, " but i bet you that if i lived 20 miles fron his house this could have been different. In my case, i probably feel even worst because i am not even a US citizen......

You are tellingt me "Next time try it with a little more feeling"....., and i am just telling you the same. You are telling us what we should do.... and as far as i am concerned i have done it. I keept contact with the other guys with PM´s, i filed reports, and i even talked to the West Covina police dept.... but the question is.... how can i start legal action against him, if i even do not know his name...?

Also, it has been a long time since i came back from getting my college degree and working in the US (1991), and my english is not as good as it used to be, and that makes me express myself maybe in a rude way....

I do not have the intention of starting a "fight" with anybody, but i do not feel confortable when someone tells me what to do (unless you are a lawyer and you want to help us). We all know that Law exists, and that it is the way to go, but finding his name does not make us criminals.....

Thanks

Alfredo
 
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I am not trying to poke the bear here, but I think that we have all done as much as we legally can. I wish to leave it in the hands of the authorities. Another thing I have talked with Gary enough to know he is playing us all. The reason the one on face-book is not giving his real name because that is Gary. The man tried to pull the same thing when I first called him and he picked up, only to back peddle after a few minutes of talking to me. This man is never going to give us a straight answer, and that's his M.O. gentlemen. This man is a compulsive liar and is going to tell us what ever he thinks will get us to leave him alone, trust me my degree work is in psychology and I see these people all the time. Confronting him in person is only going to hurt any legal chance we may have in the future as well as put any of us in a situation that compromises our safety. This man has no business registry so there is nothing to hurt there, the resin can be bought online and shipped to a home. This guy is working out of a garage so there is no business to hurt. Have faith the legal system moves slow but it does move. It could be years before we see anything out of this, but i guarantee you this his name is registered and he will find it much harder to pull this over on someone else.
 
What I find interesting about this guy is that people buy from him all the time. I have seen the bust on several " collection " pictures and wonder why they aren't getting it for buying them. The images always look good but I wouldn't dare buy from him...him and chaucer44 guy as well. people will always buy from guys like this because the prices are cheaper vs. the crazy prices retailers have. just a fact of life sadly
 
When i bought those props, i did not know who the original makers were......

The amazing thing is that ebay still lets them work with them time after time.....

But the thing is, why not joint efforts in order to make the law work for us?


Alfredo
 
I have not had any luck. Every time I call his number i get no answer, and text i keep getting back the same reply "its on its way". Personally we are chasing a ghost. It seems to be going no where. I hate it, and i cant stand to be cheated, but i see no end to this. I really don't know what else to do, and I have moved on.
 
Sorry to bring up an old thread. Just wanted to say that this guy ripped me off as well, on ebay. Bought a pulse rifle model about a year ago, around $100. As others have said he just stalls until its too late to do anything. Guess I wont be giving anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore. Ive complained to ebay, paypal, and IC3 to no avail. Even talked to a local police officer (I live in Wisconsin), nothing seems to have come of that. Anyways you have another supporter, and I'm glad this forum is one of the first hits after googleing his name so that word can spread about how much of scumbag he his.
 
I just muddled through this whole thread and here is my advice to all who were ripped off by this a-hole: You will NEVER get your items nor will you EVER get your money back. The facebook guy IS the same guy (it's plainly obvious by his response to Madrid). Do what I do.... I never spend more online from someone I don't know than what I'm WILLING to flat out lose. And don't buy off eBay, just like everybody's been saying here for years. The biggest losers on eBay and Paypal are the people running them. They will be no help for anything. As long as they get their cut they're happy.
 
I´m not sure but someone is selling similar stuff on ebay at the moment, just search for "STAR WARS 1:1 bust"
he has the same stuff as theothergary has offered...ebay-seller jonesingforvintage
 
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there are a couple of sellers on eBay now that seem to be selling a some of the same things everyones favorite thief sold. Cylon_trader started seller just last year after we all had problems and Hollywoodpropmaster started just this year. The pics for the items even look the same. even if they are not gary I am tired of re-caster selling this garbage. everyone may want to be careful if you have seen them online.
 
I didn't get anything stolen from me, but I'm really glad to see you guys banding together like this. Nobody messes with TDH and gets away with it. But just remember guys......


NO disintegrations. XD
 
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