Super Nerdy - Jet Pack or Jet Pack

I know a while back some people convinced me that Fett's backpack was a ROCKET PACK instead of a JET PACK because it lacks an air intake that is seen on a jet engine as opposed to a rocket engine which carries its own fuel and oxygen. The argument made logical sense at the time and ever since, I have been referring to the jet pack as a rocket pack. However, looking through the essential guide to weapons and technology, they refer to an intake system and miniture turbines... now I know all of that is made up but they did positively ID the parts to a JET engine, NOT a ROCKET. Looking over the pack itself, I wonder if the toothed ring, just below the rocket is supposed to be an air intake type structure... or probably the prop designers didn't think that far ahead, but I am not wavering again on whether this is a jet pack or a jet pack. Let the nerdiness begin... what do you think?

I've been calling it a Jet Pack since 1998, and continue to do so, even though it may technically be a rocket pack or whatever anybody else wants to call it. Old habit i guess, but when i say "jet pack" or JP, everybody knows what I'm talking about. If I call it a "rocket pack" or RP, sometimes folks go "what????" Its easier to just call it a Jet Pack" like we have for years IMO.

As far as the techincal side, or what it really is....Boy, I dunno???? LOL
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Originally Posted by Jango's kid

I've been calling it a Jet Pack since 1998, and continue to do so, even though it may technically be a rocket pack or whatever anybody else wants to call it. Old habit i guess, but when i say "jet pack" or JP, everybody knows what I'm talking about. If I call it a "rocket pack" or RP, sometimes folks go "what????" Its easier to just call it a Jet Pack" like we have for years IMO.

As far as the techincal side, or what it really is....Boy, I dunno???? LOL
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Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat. I've been calling it a jet pack my entire life and I'm not about to change that.

Besides, MC Chris calls them jets.

I make Jet Packs!

Jet Pack puts me in mind of That Rocketeer chap, not good.

i'm in the jet pack house... not for any faux-technical reason, but just because that's what i've always called it

I too say Jet Pack
always have
There has been discussion on "other" forums about it being a jet pack.
I contend that the Jet Intake is at the bottom of the pack since the exhaust is through the thrusters. The fuel for the jets is contained in the 2 side tanks.

Perhaps we should rename it "Flightpack", since that covers both Rocket & Jet

Yeah. In retrospect, I think the push to go from jet pack to "rocket pack" was pushed by those with a a bit of a snob agenda to show how "the little ignorant people" were incorrectly referring to it... and I fell for right in line. Technically the pack is... a bunch of fiberglass and resin... and that is about it. So, jet pack it is.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I was dissapointed that George Lucas reffered to the Ligthsabers in Episode I to lazer swords. ***??

I know that makes sense, but we have always called them lightsabers.

I have always called it Jet Pack. Is interesting the design of the JP being the top an air intake. It's cool, really!

Originally Posted by SEEKER

I was dissapointed that George Lucas reffered to the Ligthsabers in Episode I to lazer swords. ***??

I know that makes sense, but we have always called them lightsabers.

Lucas didn't refer to them as a laser sword, Anakin only called it that because he was a little kid and didn't know the proper term. They are called lightsabers in every other movie, including Episode 2.

Originally Posted by Bobby Fett UK

I make Jet Packs!

Jet Pack puts me in mind of That Rocketeer chap, not good.

The rocketeer actually had a jet pack since it ran on alcohol and oxygen from the atmosphere. The rocket pack/ jet pack name comes down to wether it caries oxidizer with it. Considering it is a prop I wouldn't dig into the issue too much as it is a technical term that is confused by the general public like mass and weight (i.e. people interchange kilogram and pound even though a kilogram is a unit of how much matter is in a substance and pound is a measurment of amount of matter multiplied by its acceleration.)


Yes, I am a rocket scientist.

Originally Posted by Dark Jedi

The rocketeer actually had a jet pack since it ran on alcohol and oxygen from the atmosphere.

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So, we should call him the Jeteer?

Lets see what this smilie says, now move your mouse slowly over the picture:

:jet pack

It says JETPACK!




(Okay maybe that was a little stupid)

Nah, for me its just a jet pack with a rocket shaped thing on the top, made from fiberglass. And if I'm right Han Solo also said ''Jet Pack'' in one of the books I read some years ago.

Originally Posted by Dark Jedi

The rocketeer actually had a jet pack since it ran on alcohol and oxygen from the atmosphere. The rocket pack/ jet pack name comes down to wether it caries oxidizer with it. Considering it is a prop I wouldn't dig into the issue too much as it is a technical term that is confused by the general public like mass and weight (i.e. people interchange kilogram and pound even though a kilogram is a unit of how much matter is in a substance and pound is a measurment of amount of matter multiplied by its acceleration.)


Yes, I am a rocket scientist.

See, even the guy who would know what it is says "it is a PROP!!!"
Always called it a Jet Pack, and so that is what im gonna keep calling it!


A'den

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

Lucas didn't refer to them as a laser sword, Anakin only called it that because he was a little kid and didn't know the proper term. They are called lightsabers in every other movie, including Episode 2.

during the making of one of the videos, George was talking to one of the prop guys and specificly told them that they were called a lazer sword.

I think George wanted to change it up a little bit, but it didnt work.

Ok back to this rocket pack.




Even the Quaker Oats Marketing folks called it the "JET-pack"

George calls it a lazer sword in a couple of interviews/commentaries.

it's a jet pack,

no one here will convince me otherwise

When ever I hear "Rocket Pack" I picture the "Rocket" at the top of the packet. I guess it could be a missile, but missile is a generic term, and can describe almost anything flying through the air. Is it possible that one name ( Jet pack)refers to the fact that this "backpack" is a mode of transport, and that the other ( Jet Pack) describes it as a weapon ?

I've called it a JP, RP, and backpack thingy, all depending on who I may be talking to.

HELPFUL DEFINITIONS

ROCKET
noun
1. any of various simple or complex tubelike devices containing combustibles that on being ignited liberate gases whose action propels the tube through the air: used for pyrotechnic effect, signaling, carrying a lifeline, hurling explosives at an enemy, putting a space vehicle into orbit, etc.
2. a space capsule or vehicle put into orbit by such devices.
3. rocket engine.
–verb (used with object)
4. to move or transport by means of a rocket.
5. to attack with rockets.
–verb (used without object)
6. to move like a rocket.
7. (of game birds) to fly straight up rapidly when flushed.
Origin:
1605–15; < It rocchetta, dim. of rocca distaff (with reference to its shape) < Goth *rukka


ROCKET ENGINE
–noun
a reaction engine that produces a thrust due to an exhaust consisting entirely of material, as oxidizer, fuel, and inert matter, that has been carried with the engine in the vehicle it propels, none of the propellant being derived from the medium through which the vehicle moves.

MISSILE
noun
1. an object or weapon for throwing, hurling, or shooting, as a stone, bullet, or arrow.
2. guided missile.
3. ballistic missile.
–adjective
4. capable of being thrown, hurled, or shot, as from the hand or a gun.
5. used or designed for discharging missiles.
Origin:
1600–10; < L, neut. of missilis, equiv. to miss(us) (ptp. of mittere to send, throw) + -ilis -ile

JET
noun
1. a stream of a liquid, gas, or small solid particles forcefully shooting forth from a nozzle, orifice, etc.
2. something that issues in such a stream, as water or gas.
3. a spout or nozzle for emitting liquid or gas: a gas jet.
4. jet plane.
5. jet engine.
–verb (used without object)
6. to travel by jet plane: to jet to Las Vegas for the weekend.
7. to move or travel by means of jet propulsion: The octopus jetted away from danger.
8. to be shot forth in a stream.
9. to move or travel rapidly: The star halfback jetted toward the goal line.
–verb (used with object)
10. to transport by jet plane: The nonstop service from New York will jet you to Tokyo in 13 hours.
11. to shoot (something) forth in a stream; spout.
12. to place (a pile or the like) by eroding the ground beneath it with a jet of water or of water and compressed air.
–adjective
13. of, pertaining to, or associated with a jet, jet engine, or jet plane: jet pilot; jet exhaust.
14. in the form of or producing a jet or jet propulsion: jet nozzle.
15. by means of a jet airplane: a jet trip; jet transportation.
Origin:
1580–90; 1940–45 for def. 4; < MF jeter to throw < VL *jectāre, alter. of L jactāre, equiv. to jac- throw + -t- freq. suffix + -āre inf. suffix

JET ENGINE
–noun
an engine, as an aircraft engine, that produces forward motion by the rearward exhaust of a jet of fluid or heated air and gases.

In the early references to the actual costume (the super trooper version) it is either called a backpack or a jet pack. Watch the supertrooper video on starwars.com and both men use the word jet pack I think.

So all science aside, I think jet pack is the most accurate.

It seems like it's primary function is as a mode of transport, and jet usually implies that.

Even though Star Wars is loosely derived from Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, "Jet Pack" sounds like something from that era.

my backpack's got jets!

i'm boba the fett

i bounty hunt for jabba hutt...

to finance my 'vette

Jet Pack! =)

I've always called it a jet pack, I don't think I could call it anything else at this point.

My backpack really does have jets.

I'm a jet pack kind of guy, jet pack just sounds to dangerous....

Rogue Studios pointed out to me that in Batha Tracks #5, one of the first time Boba was seen, the pack is labeled a "rocket pack."

As I was looking at that, it made me wonder if the "rocket" in "rocket pack" is not referring to the propulsion system but to the fact that the pack has a rocket/missle on top? Again, I know, super-nerdy, but is this actually a "rocket carrying jet pack"?

Thanks to Rogue Studios for reminding me of the Bantha Tracks labelling.

That is cool Art. I have never seen that particular Write-up about Boba. Thanks for sharing!

It is certainly one of the very earliest mentions and is very cool.

Just one Q Art, where are the Rocket Pack controls (#2)?

I had never seen this, nice

In that labeling they also give the spike sticking out the top of the pack the label of "Grappling Hook"
Since we know this was what it was originally intended to be both by design and designation by the people in the supertrooper video, but also would come to be known as a "missile" or "projectile rocket" of some sort I think its a matter of what nomenclature you want to use.

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000743.html

In this video which I would say is the very earliest that the Fett costume is talked about, the name "Jet Pack" is used twice. Bantha Tracks would have been after this video and alot of their terms seem to be different then other official terms.
Like #4 "Camel view & finder" and using the term "climbing spikes" for the toe spikes which have been called other things in their time.

I think its all in what people want to use. Jet Pack seems to get the vote and there is also a substantial argument for that term.

While we are on the subject of this nerdy stuff, I always wondered about the magnetic grappling hook part??? So the purpose of that, would be to shoot it at something above you, (like a catwalk or other structure), and then presumably use it to propell yourself up via an attached cable. Well why the heck would you need to use that if you have a JP??? LOL

I guess to save your JP fuel??? LOL

I completely agree!

Originally Posted by Jango's kid

While we are on the subject of this nerdy stuff, I always wondered about the magnetic grappling hook part??? So the purpose of that, would be to shoot it at something above you, (like a catwalk or other structure), and then presumably use it to propell yourself up via an attached cable. Well why the heck would you need to use that if you have a JP??? LOL

I guess to save your JP fuel??? LOL

GREAT question! Didn't quite think that one through did they...

BTW, I think a lot of these terms must have originated with Jose Johnston as there are concept drawing with the toe spikes being used as climbing spike and the grappling rocket being used as such...

Although I haven't quite figured out the purpose of the grappling hook, I subscribe to the double feature theory of the rocket. That is, the top part of the rocket can shoot separately as a grappling hook. Alternatively, the entire rocket can fire as seen in AOTC.

The conical shape of the rocket lends support to the idea that the rocket is an armor buster. The conical shape is based on the Monroe Effect, which is designed to focus all the energy in a particular direction, and detonate it a slight distance (inches) away from the target, causing the greatest armor piercing effect. That is why all modern RPG's, or other similar explosive devices are shaped in that way. The grappling hooks could also actually just be stabilizer fins, like a modern RPG has.

I think that's the first time I see the second pic That's good

Perhaps when the Fett breaks wind there is a connection from hid hind part to the Jet pack "itself" . . . therefore that is where the fuel is and a mechanism in the jet pack to light it up. As we all know. Flatulence is combustable.

And there you have it my friends!

LOL

Originally Posted by ART ANDREWS

Rogue Studios pointed out to me that in Batha Tracks #5, one of the first time Boba was seen, the pack is labeled a "rocket pack."

As I was looking at that, it made me wonder if the "rocket" in "rocket pack" is not referring to the propulsion system but to the fact that the pack has a rocket/missle on top? Again, I know, super-nerdy, but is this actually a "rocket carrying jet pack"?

Thanks to Rogue Studios for reminding me of the Bantha Tracks labelling.

Rogue Studios also lists the armour as being that of an Imperial Shocktroper, which we all know is inacurate as well......"Jet Pack" just sounds better....